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[Sheraf]

I don't mind the base being cap, as long as the enemies continue falling dead . That where the fun is.

[Alistair Winter]

Appogee, on 10 April 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

I do that job every time I'm in my Medium. That's part of being in a team.

Not really. This isn't world of warcraft, where you go into a dungeon with a tank, a healer and a damage dealer. In this game, everyone gets to choose what mech they want to play and how they want to use it. Some mechs are more flexible than others, but if you expect everyone in a light mech to take a beating because the rest of the team didn't want to defend, then you're in for a surprise.

Noobzorz, on 10 April 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

I cannot tell you how much I hate you for this lame, selfish attitude.

It's ok, I still like you.

NinetyProof, on 10 April 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

We know your kind ... there's generally a term for it: Hypocrite.
You don't want others complaining you are not doing the role YOU CHOOSE when you dropped in a mech (remember, you choose the role by picking the mech, not us) ... Yet when you trail a wolf pack to us and we ignore them, you'll QQ up a storm that we are NOT doing our jobs.

Are you assuming that I'll complain and then calling me a hypocrite for something you imagined I did?

NinetyProof, on 10 April 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

So, just remember not to be a hypocrite .. if you don't want to do your Job that is fine, but don't LEECH off the TEAM by hanging around us for Support ... hanging around us for ECM ... expecting us to kill stuff that is chasing you, etc, etc, etc.
You choose ... you either play "single player" off on your own lone wolfing it ... or you play with / for the TEAM. Just don't be a Hypocrite and LEECH off the team, yet not support it.

I don't ask people to play the game how I want them to. I generally complain very little, and the few times I do complain, I really shouldn't.

Whenever a game expects people to do something out of the kindness of their heart instead of rewarding them, then the game is flawed. That's why games with healers tend to reward the healers for doing their job. Whenever a game expects people to do something dull (like running to the other side of the map and standing on a square) for the benefit of others, the game is flawed.

The assault mode is flawed. Don't blame the players.

Max Power, on 10 April 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

If you pilot a light or fast medium, it IS your JOB to go back and defend the cap.

This kind of attitude is why most of the people in this game play heavy or assault mechs. And it's killing the variety in the game.

Sheraf, on 10 April 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

I don't mind the base being cap, as long as the enemies continue falling dead . That where the fun is.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, but same here. I honestly don't care about losing by cap, as long as it was a good fight.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 10 April 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[FupDup]

I personally just wish that I wasn't the only one defending my base. Everybody else is too busy playing heavy/assault warrior online. :\ Meanwhile, I try to be a good little light mech and get mauled for it without my team even trying to send reinforcements. And then we lose to capping.

Edited by FupDup, 10 April 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[Effectz]

Alistair Winter, on 10 April 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

The Assault game mode is so flawed, I don't really care about playing the game how PGI intended.

If we have a good battle going on and some Spider from the other team wants to play Capwarrior, I'm not going to waste 5 minutes of my life chasing him, while my team mates get to fight.

People who don't want to lose by cap should either cap or defend their own base. Me, I'm going to play this game however the hell I want, regardless of what mech I'm in. Don't expect me to do the job you don't want to do.

Worst post I've ever read

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Here's A Get-Rich Tip--Start Being Cheap!

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 10 April 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[darkkterror]

This is part of the reason why my Mechbay is loaded with far more heavies and assaults than lights and mediums. I don't want to be the sucker who's expected to sacrifice having fun to go back and defend the base. I do have a trio of Trebs, a Raven 3L, and I just bought my first Jenner a few days ago. I play them occasionally, when I'm in the mood for high speed and capping, but most of the time I just want to destroy giant robots.

I really think the game needs another game mode that somehow promotes combat instead of "go stand over here far from where anything exciting is happening."

[Esplodin]

Max Power, on 10 April 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

If you pilot a light or fast medium, it IS your JOB to go back and defend the cap.

Cool, we have jobs in this game now! If it's a job, then I'm looking at compensation - gyros don't recalibrate themselves ya know? [pops off to look at the job rate sheet]

Hmmm. It looks like defending the cap is somewhere between unpaid intern and volunteer opportunity, while damage/kills/component destruction is the moneymaker.

Wonder if that could be the reason? Well, that and the condescending attitude and superior demeanor of pilots in the bigger weight classes. I'd be a rich man if I had a nickle for every time I got stepped on, and then talked to like I was filth for bringing a light. You want team play? Treat your team like an actual team rather then your servant.

[MaddMaxx]

Appogee, on 10 April 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

I do that job every time I'm in my Medium. That's part of being in a team.

Post #3 is your answer in a nutshell dude. They don't give a lick about anyone but themselves. I just hope they stay in the shallow end of the PUG Pool come CW.

[FupDup]

Esplodin, on 10 April 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Cool, we have jobs in this game now!

[Esplodin]

Shumabot, on 10 April 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Blame the troll spider.

That's OK - I have big shoulders. Feel free to blame your lack of strategy and tactics on me.

[Budor]

The problem with this is that i end up being top dmg/kills in a lot of matches while in a light or med. Why am i expected to stop doing what i am better at than 6/8 mechs on my team? I dont rage at people just because they are a waste of an assault/heavy and would be a bigger credit to the team just running around and capping stuff in a max-engine spider..

[MaddMaxx]

Tuhs Grey, on 10 April 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

What you want only works if you tell someone to go and do it. Else what you described is more along the lines of 'I'm in combat, i'm sure that there is someone else less busy than me who can go and do that". If you don't tell someone to don't something, don't get mad when what you expect to happen doesn't.

Actually I would more equate it to:

Those who are currently fighting in Heavies and Assaults have "zero" chance to get back. So, unless the Lights and or Mediums Pilots are absolute Newbs, or play like poster #3, it is pretty much up to them to resolve the issue.

But as noted. Many do not want to Win, they just want to Fight, Lose, then Whine in chat about how they had a ****** team.

Lord forbid they would do anything to help prevent a Cap lose though.

Edited by MaddMaxx, 10 April 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[Shumabot]

Esplodin, on 10 April 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

That's OK - I have big shoulders. Feel free to blame your lack of strategy and tactics on me.

Realistically its PGIs fault for making a terrible objective system and then rewarding people more for ignoring it. You're just the poor ignorant one that actually thinks what he's doing is "strategic" rather than "trolling".

[Helsbane]

If you're in a light, on my team, and our base is being capped, if you stay with the main fight just to score a kill, I will blast a hole through you myself. At that point you're as responsible for us losing as the guy on our cap point. Sure it'll cost me 10k, but it'll be worth every penny.

(on the other hand, if you're that light pilot and I'm driving my Raven that day, by all means, stay where you are )

Edited by Helsbane, 10 April 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Kell Draygo, on 10 April 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

Some people play this game to blow up robots, not stand in a stupid box. Devs don't understand this and they keep giving us lame boxes to stand in. It's the developers fault for their stupid short sightedness.

And interestingly enough, some the craziest, knock down, drag em out fights I have ever been a part of, happen in those same stupid, lame boxes. LOL

Perhaps this short sightedness you speak of lies between your chair and your keyboard.

[Alistair Winter]

MaddMaxx, on 10 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Post #3 is your answer in a nutshell dude. They don't give a lick about anyone but themselves. I just hope they stay in the shallow end of the PUG Pool come CW.

Whereas everyone in a heavy or assault mech is selflessly sacrificing themselves for the greater good, crying bitter tears for every light mech that dies trying to defend base? Or are they just playing the game in the manner they find most entertaining?

MaddMaxx, on 10 April 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Actually I would more equate it to:
Those who are currently fighting in Heavies and Assaults have "zero" chance to get back. So, unless the Lights and or Mediums Pilots are absolute Newbs, or play like poster #3, it is pretty much up to them to resolve the issue.
But as noted. Many do not want to Win, they want to fight Lose then Whine about how they had a ****** team. Lord forbid they would do anything to help prevent a Cap lose though.

I'm happy to say that there's a third group of players who don't care about winning or losing, but just try to have a good fight and have a good time and let other people play how they want to. Incidentally, that's my approach to all kinds of competition.

Helsbane, on 10 April 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

If you're in a light, on my team, and our base is being capped, if you stay with the main fight just to score a kill, I will blast a hole through you myself. At that point you're as responsible for us losing as the guy on our cap point. Sure it'll cost me 10k, but it'll be worth every penny.

So your team mates should play the way you want them to, otherwise you will attack them. I'll keep that in mind if we're ever on the same team

Edited by Alistair Winter, 10 April 2013 - 10:59 AM.

[Esplodin]

Shumabot, on 10 April 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Realistically its PGIs fault for making a terrible objective system and then rewarding people more for ignoring it. You're just the poor ignorant one that actually thinks what he's doing is "strategic" rather than "trolling".

Failure to comprehend win conditions: Check
Pretending there is a TDM: Check
Oh, and Check:

Edited by Esplodin, 10 April 2013 - 11:04 AM.

[Shumabot]

Esplodin, on 10 April 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Failure to comprehend win conditions: Check
Pretending there is a TDM: Check
Oh, and Check:

Failure to realize that "win" means "get 40 thousand less Cbills and don't fight in a game about combat": Check
Pretending that running to a red square is tactical: Check
Oh and Check:

[Lorcan Lladd]

Moste Medium Mech's be feeble and supple in excess to defend a castle besieged by the enemy whilst moste Light Mech's be much too mighty to be wasted in garrison affairs, methinks.

Edited by Lorcan Lladd, 10 April 2013 - 11:05 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

Max Power, on 10 April 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

If you pilot a light or fast medium, it IS your JOB to go back and defend the cap.

But to the OP: Yeah, this happens all the time. What do you expect? People are dumb. The average IQ is only 100. That's really freaking dumb.

I typically don't RTB because if there is someone capping the base, chances are good that it is a damned Jenner or Raven. And, in a 1v1 situation, my Cicada is going to end up losing. Whether I'm in my 2B w/ 4 Mds and 1 Lrg or my X-5 with 4 Mds and 2 Streaks. I'm out gunned and out meneuvered. So, I stay with my team to prevent them from getting ganked knowing that I'll still have enough speed to get back once we're clear.