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[Stranger45]

One thing about shoting the cockpit if you you blowway most of the best eqement and the most costley$$$$$$$$$$$

[DerMaulwurf]

Solis Obscuri, on 04 June 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

From what I've read, the devs have headshots in-game, but they've reinforced the cockpits a bit. May still take less damage than punching through center torso armor, but it's not going to be destroyed in 1-2 hits, most likely.

The Clans built crutch-tech specifically to assist in headshotting.

They just cried and threw a fit every time some guy named Kerensky walked into a laser beam... again.

Targeting Computers cannot be used to target the Head. (p.110 Total Warfare).

[ZnSeventeen]

As long as you aren't going around headshotting women and children, I think you are fine.

[CapnTytePantz]

I think the debs have covered this one in announcements, but according to what I've read, you can't kill the pilot, at least not the player. Also, since there is no salvage points or equipment, unlike earlier MW titles, there is no advantage to salvaging as much of the mech as possible. It earns you nothing special, so why do it? That's actually a pretty clever way to eliminate the "cheap shots". Just sayin'!

[Steamroller Stig]

Kreisel, on 04 June 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I seem to recall one of the Devs making a post following the twitter interview (and all the insanely over rampant NERDRAAAGE that surrounded finding out about double armor and no hit transference) that mentioned they wanted to take steps to 'discourage head hunting much in the same way they are taking steps to discourage legging.' I.e. shooting the head should still be worthwhile, but not an overly easy way to get an instant kill. Along those lines I think latter in the same thread Bryan did post a small list of all the current ways in game to kill a mech and if I recall correctly it did include head-shots.

Personally I've found in a lot of games recently, with recoil, fast moving targets and all that, headshots are kinda more like a lucky crit than a skilled shot most the time. To the point I've seen people flame others as a 'Headshot Noob!' when they get killed by one.

headshot noob? that has got to be the most pathetic thing you could say in an online shooter.

and why dose legging and head shots need to be discouraged? legging was only messed up when one leg destroyed = dead mech. really you could fit almost as much armor on your legs as you could your CT. so why not just go for CT shots at that point, and as for pit shots whats the issue with them. Its a way for skilled pilots to take out heavier mechs with well aimed weapons fire. pit shot actually further mitigate the issue of he who brings more tonnage wins issue.

[brn4meplz]

There is no such thing as cheap shots or Honour in combat.


Honour is of little value to the dead.

There is simply victory and death.

[Roland]

Steamroller Stig, on 04 June 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

headshot noob? that has got to be the most pathetic thing you could say in an online shooter.

and why dose legging and head shots need to be discouraged?

First rule of all online gaming:
1) Whatever I do is awesome, and whatever my enemies do is n00bzor. Especially if they beat me.

[Kreisel]

Steamroller Stig, on 04 June 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

headshot noob? that has got to be the most pathetic thing you could say in an online shooter.

and why dose legging and head shots need to be discouraged? legging was only messed up when one leg destroyed = dead mech. really you could fit almost as much armor on your legs as you could your CT. so why not just go for CT shots at that point, and as for pit shots whats the issue with them. Its a way for skilled pilots to take out heavier mechs with well aimed weapons fire. pit shot actually further mitigate the issue of he who brings more tonnage wins issue.

Roland, on 04 June 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

First rule of all online gaming:
1) Whatever I do is awesome, and whatever my enemies do is n00bzor. Especially if they beat me.

Yeah, that about sums it up, ironically the same people who would use this phrase often would get a headshot on someone only a few seconds later, and say nothing about it.

I think the one leg = destroyed or shortcut to internals of other leg, bypassing it's armor entirely is what they are trying to eliminate. In the context of the conversation it seems that's what they were referring to discouraging. To the contrary, I think they want to encourage legging as a viable legitimate tactic, but a balanced one with other ways to kill a mech, instead of simply a shortcut to easy kills. I think likewise the head is being treated in the same way... it should be a viable target, but not soooo good a target headhunting is the rule of the day and makes for silly easy kills. It needs to be balanced with other targets such as the CT. It's a smaller harder to hit target so the rewards for doing so consistently should be higher, but... not so steep that everyone aims for it all the time.

Likewise... seeing as we only get one life in what could be a 15 minute long match and going down to a lucky headshot the first triggerpull of the game would majorly suck as a result... I think thats something they want to avoid. In general they seem to want to make the Mechs a little more hardy, less apt to go down right away to a lucky shot, a quick spike of damage or a few seconds of focused fire that leaves a player sitting on the sidelines for the whole match. Cockpit destroyed is still listed as a way to kill a mech, but I think they want it to be hard enough to do to make you consider coring the center torso, legging, or taking out a few weapons first as options that are just as viable.

[Ratzap]

Everything that gets a win is fair game (this is standard Liao policy). You using the Kurita flag though means you get slapped for being dishonourable or some such tosh.

hehe, reminds me one time in TT. Our unit had a reputation for using inferno rounds, kicking incapped mechs, headshots etc so the next fight we had was Kuritas. We played it squeaky clean much to their embarassment as 2 of them had infernos loaded for use after we fired first 8)

[Arbalister]

El Loco, on 04 June 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Will there be a lot of whining, crying and whatnot about headshots? Hell yes, but that's the way it is. People who lack this kind of skill are jealous of those who have mastered the art, therefore they will regard headshooting illegal, bad, unskilled, blablabla... and why? Because, despite lacking the skill, they still think they're the best shot on the battlefield, and should be winning, which is... meh.

Much like in any CoD, or whatever, game that includes any sniper rifle. If you use one, and actually use sniper tactics, you know, like firing from cover and at long range... they whine about "camping" and "OP weapons."

[HighlandWolf]

Tone Knee, on 04 June 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

I'm still shocked all of these mechs have traditional cockpits with windows. I mean, It always made more sense to me to put the cockpit deep inside the mech where it's completely protected and using dispay screens instead of windows. The pilot would be safer and they wouldn't have to worry about "Headshots"

If you look at the game play videos that have been posted so far there is at least once where somebody gets raked across the cockpit with med lasers and the mech doesn't go down. Maybe it wasn't a direct hit?

problem with that is simple, camera goes out..for any reason..youre buggered, completely blind..EMP , camera out, missile damage, camera out, etc etc.

[HighlandWolf]

Also, a lot of people seem to think it'll be easy peasy to "kill" the pilot, without zoom, without ability to pinpoint EXACTLY where you want to hit, your mech moving, enemy mech moving..going to be very tough to get exactly pinpoint accuracy on a cockpit..also, what hapens if you do destroy the cockpit? pilot dies?..so what happens to players character then?..cloning doesnt exist in this universe..cant just zap into another body like in games like eve online..so then what?..
In the first video/trailer they showed a pilot ejecting, that makes more sense..no ability to to destroy cockpit cause pilot would be in there and dead..but making a mech go critical yes..that makes sense for this game

[Serevn]

Tone Knee, on 04 June 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

I'm still shocked all of these mechs have traditional cockpits with windows. I mean, It always made more sense to me to put the cockpit deep inside the mech where it's completely protected and using dispay screens instead of windows. The pilot would be safer and they wouldn't have to worry about "Headshots"

So the first PPC shot that gets a good hit in can screw you over?

[Davers]

"Kill the meat, save the metal" is definitely a merc thing. I thought the factions thought of themselves as knights riding metal steeds?

I don't mind a little more survivability. Keeps things a bit more balanced. Who wants to have their light mech's limbs going flying every time they get hit by a lucky shot?

[Stormdragon]

Aiming for the Cockpit is the headshot of Mechwarrior nothing cheap about it.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

it was Kill the Meat, save the Metal.

As for cockpit shots... cockpit's are generally hard to hit. especially as you're running around doing stuff... I've never seen cockpit shots as dishonorable.

What I've personally felt is dishonorable play is jumpsniping [which won't be an issue in this game] And loading a mech up with so damn many weapons a single shot to a mech's leg takes said mech's leg off.

That being said, I don't have an issue with legging per-se... my issue is people who intentionally aim for that first, above ALL else. Come on guys, sure shoot my leg out, I'm still going to be firing ordinance into you... use some damn sense.

[LostSoul56]

Head shots were part of the original game rules, but you had to have good stats and a little luck with the dice. So playing the video game is just as viable, but when you a shooting for the head hope they in-turn don't bring you down first or a buddy walking up your backside with some PPCs. All is fair in love and war.

[Theal Swena]

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Arbalister, on 04 June 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Much like in any CoD, or whatever, game that includes any sniper rifle. If you use one, and actually use sniper tactics, you know, like firing from cover and at long range... they whine about "camping" and "OP weapons."

Well, any decent player takes shots at enemies that have less-suited weapons for the range they're at (scope > assault > SMG > shotty in this case).

HighlandWolf, on 04 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

also, what hapens if you do destroy the cockpit? pilot dies?..so what happens to players character then?..cloning doesnt exist in this universe..cant just zap into another body like in games like eve online..so then what?..

I don't know, have you ever played any other online game? What happens when you die in an MMORPG? You respawn, yet in most MMORPG universes, only PCs can respawn, because it's a game.