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[armyof1]

TruePoindexter, on 16 April 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Of course they feel weaker than before because they are weaker than before. That does not make them useless though. They are very deadly and are completely viable. Just don't expect to rip an enemy's side off in a single shot anymore.

As for not being able to stand up to lasers in a brawl isn't that how it's supposed to be? They offer precision firepower allowing them to focus all of their damage to a single spot. SRMs are spread weapons which while dealing overall greater damage should deal less damage to a single area than a directed weapon.

Also 10 tons is not a big difference. 100 vs 90 tons is still in the assault range.

Finally it's completely valid to discuss other mechs when we're talking about a specific mech because we are in fact talking about mechs in general. We can't in one breath say that the Highlanders are terrible for having torso mounted energy weapons but say that other mechs are fine with them without drawing comparisons and conclusions.

Well since you didn't pick up on it of course I meant they've been made too weak. Actually I wasn't certain about the weight difference and having looked it up it's actually a difference of 15 tons. And no I most certainly disagree a laserstalker should beat a DDC. Sure if i was standing still and firing he could get me with focused damage to the CT, but not when I'm torso twisting and spreading out the damage as best I could with arms and side torsos going first. As the clearly heavier assault with more armor I should in fact win most brawls unless I play really badly. Otherwise what is the point of being heavier and slower if I can't take a beating and dish out better than I get?

And talking about Stalkers when I'm trying to focus on Highlanders and how they compare to each other most certainly doesn't make sense. What you're talking about belongs in a general discussion about assaults. That just isn't what this thread is about.

Edited by armyof1, 16 April 2013 - 03:45 PM.

[Warlune]

Its all situational. Personally, I love jump jetting up above my enemy's head in my 332 and putting 12 SRMs in his face.
More effective than lasers because its one click shot so I dont have to hold the lasers on target while mid air

[El Bandito]

I am definitely getting the HGN-732. THREE PPCs in one location with no convergence issue on top of a JJ capable mech?

YES PLEASE!

Edited by El Bandito, 16 April 2013 - 03:57 PM.

[armyof1]

Roland, on 16 April 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

It's confirmed that the 3PPC+Gauss Highlander says LOLZ at this thread.

How do you like a light harassing you though?

[Blackadder]

Mersh21, on 16 April 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

OMG you cant do that!!!! You adapted!!! NOOOOOOOOOO

seriously, this guy makes a very valid point-his build does more damage than my heavy metal and actually has close range defense

runs a bit hot:P

[El Bandito]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

How do you like a light harassing you though?

See those missile slots? Fill with SSRMs.

[Khell DarkWolf]

El Bandito, on 16 April 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

See those missile slots? Fill with SSRMs.

see those ECM modules? Proceed to re-equip with different missiles

[Lance McRaven]

I have been researching Sarna, looking for a comparable build. I think I have settled on the 733P. I plan on modeling it after the Grand Titan, T-IT-N10M. It was a 100 ton Assault mech, with 2LPL, 1 LRM-15. 2 SRM, 2MPL and AMS. May have to play with the load out a little, but I think it will work out well. See you in the game

[Felicitatem Parco]

It has not been confirmed that the Heavy Metal is a Pay-to-Win superior Mech with Better Hardpoints. It is the OP's opinion, but not at all a fact. This thread is being jettisoned to the Jett Comms.

If anyone would like to start a General Discussion Thread that does not present one's personal opinions as fact, then that would be very much welcome. This thread is just like a different one that was jettisoned earlier - Someone concluded "factually" that the Heavy Metal is Pay-to-Win because all the other Highlanders have their Energy and Ballistics Hardpoints on the same side of their body, and that makes them less valuable.

Everyone has their own definitions of valuable weapons placements, but stating that something is "confirmed" as observed in this thread is rather misleading, and any thread dedicated to discussing topics such as "Pay-to-Win" has to be presented in a where opinions and facts are clearly defined as such.

[Roadbeer]

Prosperity Park, on 16 April 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

This thread is being jettisoned to the Jett Comms.

Saw that coming.

[armyof1]

Roadbeer, on 16 April 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Saw that coming.

I was kinda wondering when it was going to happen myself, but since it's been all-round a really level and non-aggressive discussion I thought it had merit since there was a serious discussion going on. But alas all opinions not getting the stamp of approval of PGI ends up here without fault eh?

Edited by armyof1, 16 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Roadbeer]

It was a good discussion with a bad title. 90% of the threads I troll are based solely on the title.

PGI stamp of approval had little to do with it. Believe me, I make some pretty unpopular posts. It's all in how you package it.

[armyof1]

Roadbeer, on 16 April 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

It was a good discussion with a bad title. 90% of the threads I troll are based solely on the title.

PGI stamp of approval had little to do with it. Believe me, I make some pretty unpopular posts. It's all in how you package it.

Well I thought mods would go slighty further in their actions than read thread titles before moving threads left and right, but boy was I mistaken. Lesson learned, cutesy cuddly title ftw!

[Peiper]

http://mwomercs.com/...73#entry2195773

I called it.

And, whether or not the Heavy Metal mech is OP or not, the fact that only one of them has aim-able (arm mounted) lasers, and its the one I have to pay MC for, means that I probably won't invest in the Highlanders. So, I can shoot a shotgun six out of my arm? I'd rather have a couple PPC's or 3 large lasers. Everyone will shoot the right torso on non-Heavy Metal Highlanders, because, at least for now, missles aren't as scary as the other weapons.

And, personally, I think the Heavy Metal has just been confirmed as not balanced with the other Highlanders, though I don't know that I'd call it Pay-to-Win. The Heavy Metal is the best build, by far. Other than the jump jets, though, the Atlas continues to win the arms race.

Wait, what? Jettisoned Communications?

Funking bullshizzle! This IS a relevant discussion! WTF is your problem with us discussing the game? Funk you!

[armyof1]

Peiper, on 16 April 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...73#entry2195773

I called it.

And, whether or not the Heavy Metal mech is OP or not, the fact that only one of them has aim-able (arm mounted) lasers, and its the one I have to pay MC for, means that I probably won't invest in the Highlanders. So, I can shoot a shotgun six out of my arm? I'd rather have a couple PPC's or 3 large lasers. Everyone will shoot the right torso on non-Heavy Metal Highlanders, because, at least for now, missles aren't as scary as the other weapons.

And, personally, I think the Heavy Metal has just been confirmed as not balanced with the other Highlanders, though I don't know that I'd call it Pay-to-Win. The Heavy Metal is the best build, by far. Other than the jump jets, though, the Atlas continues to win the arms race.

Wait, what? Jettisoned Communications?

Funking bullshizzle! This IS a relevant discussion! WTF is your problem with us discussing the game? Funk you!

Hey nice to see someone who understands what I'm trying to say. Yeah I don't think the HM situation should be called P2W, I'd call it P2GBV: Pay 2 Get Best Variant. Exchanging the energy hardpoints with the missiles to make energy sit in torso and missiles in the arm is simply a downgrade. And they didn't even bother to move all missiles to the arms, but keep some in the torso to make things worse while aiming?

Yeah we have Prosperity to thank for this jettison for no good reason whatsoever. But really I guess that's what always happens whenever you dare to mention that you find a Hero mech is better than its' CBill variants. Even if in this case it is most probably true. I hope for his sake that Pros at least get paid in some way for doing the dirty work.

[Roadbeer]

This must be your first thread that's ever been Jettisoned.

[armyof1]

Roadbeer, on 16 April 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

This must be your first thread that's ever been Jettisoned.

Why yes it is, I've heard about it and seen others have their threads that also had a nice discussion being jettisoned because the concept talked about didn't rub the devs the right way. So I'm not new to the concept, but to the experience itself. So, do the mods get any goodies for getting their hands dirty?

Edited by armyof1, 16 April 2013 - 05:31 PM.

[Roadbeer]

I realize that you may be a little but hurt with this being your first jettisoned thread, but there was really nothing inflammatory in it.
It was just your opinion, but you stated it like it was a hard fact.

Often we see our opinions as hard facts, it's part of living in a world where not only can you get the news you want, but you can get the facts you want (FOX News, MSNBC). But there was nothing to back up your statement but your opinion.

Thanks for the thread though... if you think this is disconcerting, wait until the first time you find one of your threads in K Town

Edited by Roadbeer, 16 April 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[armyof1]

Roadbeer, on 16 April 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

I realize that you may be a little but hurt with this being your first jettisoned thread, but there was really nothing inflammatory in it.
It was just your opinion, but you stated it like it was a hard fact.

Often we see our opinions as hard facts, it's part of living in a world where not only can you get the news you want, but you can get the facts you want (FOX News, MSNBC). But there was nothing to back up your statement but your opinion.

Thanks for the thread though... if you think this is disconcerting, wait until the first time you find one of your threads in K Town

Let's be honest here, unless I work for PGI and can get a huge amount of stats on Highlanders of course the discussion of one mech variant vs another is all opinions, because there is no way we would have hard data to back things up. As for me saying it's all fact, that is just depnding on how people want to interpret the post. It's just silly to expect adults to not understand an opinion I'm sharing in a post and the reasons for that opinion is not claimed to be hard facts unless I'd add "IMO" disclaimers everywhere as if it's some kind of contract that needs every single detail covered so it would hold up in a court of law. The reason for the whole jettison was just an weak excuse because the devs hate people saying anything related to real money will get you better mechs. Well I still think it's so, take that and jettison it where the sun don't shine!

So I guess K town is an even lower level of hell for threads? Well I'll have something to look forward to then!

[Roadbeer]

It's not a lower level of hell, it is the Mount Olympus.. the Nirvana, if you will, for threads.
In K Town, threads live forever.