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[Keifomofutu]

As above no blurb here. Just thought it would be a good discussion. Basically are they as useful as assaults, heavies, or lights to a team. Not really asking if you "like" them.

[Tennex]

yup.. the centurion was never supposed to be that big

[Kibble]

I love my 4sp. Mediums are still viable just as long as you use them correctly.

[TheGreatNoNo]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I demand heat reductions for all mediums!

[Tennex]

Kibble, on 25 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I love my 4sp. Mediums are still viable just as long as you use them correctly.

heavies are still viable... no matter how you use them.

[Davers]

Kibble, on 25 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I love my 4sp. Mediums are still viable just as long as you use them correctly.

Tennex, on 25 April 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

heavies are still viable... no matter how you use them.

This is it. No one is saying you can't have a good game in a medium mech. But there are a lot of load outs that can cripple a medium mech in one salvo. This makes them undesirable to play. They also have much worse hard points than Heavy mechs (Yay, the Hunchback 4SP has symmetrical hardpoints! Just like EVERY Catapult....).

If this post was about Awesomes then people would chime in and say how wonderful they do in them. But look at the latest contest. The best Awesome scored like 2000 points less than every other Assault, and I know Bata and he played the hell out of his Awesomes for the contest. I can't wait until we have a medium contest so we can see how they score compared to an Assault. After all, without any weight limits, there is no reason not to go big.

If Medium mechs are so good, where is the threads complaining about them, like there was in CB about the Hunchback 4P?

Edited by Davers, 25 April 2013 - 06:36 PM.

[Sephlock]

Yes, but frankly I think the Devs want them to be, in the same sense that Capcom seems to want Vega (claw) to be underpowered.

How else can you explain the missile tube nerf the Cents got?

[BladeSplint]

You tell me:

[Keifomofutu]

BladeSplint, on 25 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

You tell me:

If I get that kind of damage in a medium I'm super happy and I take a screenshot and brag about it on the forums. If I get that damage in my assault or heavy I think "not bad". And I don't even remember the game. Why is that?

[Alpha087]

Keifomofutu, on 25 April 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

If I get that kind of damage in a medium I'm super happy and I take a screenshot and brag about it on the forums. If I get that damage in my assault or heavy I think "not bad". And I don't even remember the game. Why is that?

While I do agree that mediums need some work, the notion that they should have the same damage output as an assault regularly is just silly. Assaults do more damage because they fit heavier weapons. The drawback is, of course, being a bigger target and moving more slowly...

As for why 600+ damage games in assaults for you come with apparently so much ease.. I'm going to guess your assault(s) are a poptart Highlander or Stalker with PPCs. Which exactly what this game doesn't need more of with medium mechs...

[pencilboom]

after the srm nerf? yes

[Davers]

In a game all about shooting other mechs it is not acceptable to have mechs that cannot compete damage-wise. What are medium mechs supposed to do? Cap? Get spotting assists? Damage is how you make money and exp. A mech that isn't expected to pull it's own weight is a BAD MECH.

[DegeneratePervert]

I feel they are a tad too large. Other than that, Centurions are my favorite class.

[Ser Barristan]

I think being an avid medium jockey clouds your judgment when it comes to evaluating mediums logically. Whenever a forum thread pops up pointing out their shortcomings it short circuits our brains. Our gut reaction is to balk at anyone showing scorn towards the 50 tonners. Because we live to win with an inferior steed. Whatever shortcomings the chassis' have only fuels our masochistic pride in them. There is no margin of error piloting 50 tonners and its absolutely exhilarating. You need to fight tooth and claw for every point of damage with neither the armor and firepower of heavier mechs nor the speed or ECM of the lights.

So instead we will post our shots or accounts about how our HBK, CND, TBT or CDA took top score in a match and thump our 52 armored chests. Because well, every winning experience with mediums makes up for all the times we bought it.


Besides any proper Hussar has more pride the sense.

Edited by Ser Barristan, 25 April 2013 - 07:30 PM.

[blinkin]

i don't believe they are under powered, but when left to their own devices players of games tend to vere toward the extremes of tactics. so assault mechs and light mechs have taken over because people do not like to be general purpose, it requires them to consider more tactics than run fast or alpha strike.

[Davers]

BladeSplint, on 25 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

You tell me:

So this proves that not only are medium mechs completely fine, but there is no problems with PPCs or jump snipers. Thank goodness you posted this informative screenshots to end all the debate and set the community at ease.

[blinkin]

Davers, on 25 April 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

So this proves that not only are medium mechs completely fine, but there is no problems with PPCs or jump snipers. Thank goodness you posted this informative screenshots to end all the debate and set the community at ease.

i always find all of these screen shots of "proof" entertaining. then they are steadliy ripped apart by anyone who thinks about it for more than a few seconds.

edit: cicadas are not a medium. they are an overweight light mech that got put in the wrong class.

Edited by blinkin, 25 April 2013 - 07:36 PM.

[SirDubDub]

9/10 times piloting a medium is like this




1/10 times piloting a medium is like this


And currently that is why only the inexperienced or crazy motherhumpers pilot them.
Do we know we have inferior mounts? yes. Are we going to complain about it? probably not.

If anything I'd try to make some sort of change to the meta that encourages medium piloting over direct gameplay interference. Getting more players into mediums without directly buffing them will have the side effect of getting them used to higher levels of play, thus raising the overall skill level of the playerbase (or, if implemented improperly, will cause more people to give up... ehh.. suddenly this idea doesn't sound so good...)

Edited by SirDubDub, 25 April 2013 - 07:39 PM.

[blinkin]

SirDubDub, on 25 April 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

If anything I'd try to make some sort of change to the meta that encourages medium piloting over direct gameplay interference.

that is what i have been advocating strongly:
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

[Keifomofutu]

My current beef with mediums is that there is always a better chassis for a job. It does come with the territory as a jack-of-all-trades type class.

The lights are always going to cap faster than you, and they are also better at general distraction purposes thanks to their common ecm(only medium with ecm is basically a big light). Mediums will never put out the firepower of a heavy.

But where I feel they are lacking an advantage that they really should have is in evasiveness. Lights have evasiveness in spades thanks to their 150km/h speed and extra small hitboxes.

But unfortunately pgi didn't seem to program the mediums to have any of that inherent evasiveness and they should have. Mediums goal isn't fat damage numbers. Meds goal should be to get flank shots on thinner armor.

But with the wonky, extra tall, and extra wide profiles many of them have they can't get to the flank without getting hit too much for their 1/3 extra armor over a light to handle. A 50ton medium is not that much tougher in overall armor than a 35t light, but it has 2-3x the size and a much poorer hitbox design. This leads to having to never use xl engines and having similar firepower to many lights to have any survivability.

The only medium with a half decent hitbox design the hunchback was made nearly as slow as a heavy. So again no real inherent evasiveness.

As a caveat medium is actually my favorite class. I don't want to go around capping I want to get in the fight and fight at a high speed. But I feel more useful to the team in anything else right now.

Edited by Keifomofutu, 25 April 2013 - 08:46 PM.