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[SaucyJack]

In MW4 LRMs were underpowered, just back up in a very slow arc and they would land at your feet. Also I agree of course, the game needs to be balanced but one of the great things about the MW series is that you can change your loadout to fit the map/team you were playing against. LBX AC/20's vs ER PPCs, one wasn't 'better" they were tools to use. I agree with DaZur for the most part though at 500m I'd prefer the rifle over a rocket launcher!

[Kobold]

I love that everyone is panicking about the ability of a specific weapon system to dominate a game that 1) is still in closed beta, and 2) none of them have played yet.

[FactorlanP]

AceTimberwolf, on 06 June 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Russ did talk about implementing the Skill trees would affect the playing field dynamically. I wish i could have seen some of that but has yet to be implemented.

And there you have it.... Quoting it here so it hopefully doesn't get buried in the "discussion" currently underway.

[AceTimberwolf]

Everything has a purpose in the end.... We just got to wait and see!

[LackofCertainty]

Kobold, on 06 June 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

I love that everyone is panicking about the ability of a specific weapon system to dominate a game that 1) is still in closed beta, and 2) none of them have played yet.

Two things to say to this:
1) Very true.
2) I love kobolds.

[FactorlanP]

AceTimberwolf, on 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Everything has a purpose in the end.... We just got to wait and see!

Very true... And thank you for posting this thread and being so active in answering questions as best you can. Many of us are starving for information, and you're providing a great insight into what we are all so pumped up about!

[AceTimberwolf]

Kobold, on 06 June 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

I love that everyone is panicking about the ability of a specific weapon system to dominate a game that 1) is still in closed beta, and 2) none of them have played yet.

Yea, I could be completely wrong on the LRM "issue" that has come to be. I just felt like I should have worn down my enemy just a bit more. Just wait and see! PGI has all the right ideas. and I'm sure they are looking at everything so that everything seems 'right"

[IIntrude]

Most likely had been asked before, and I just missed it... any chance of shotting some video footage tomorrow of the game? I know it would be great appreciated if allowed. Sorry if this, as I assume it is, a repeat request.

[FactorlanP]

I just wish they would release some more info about the meta game and how Houses/Mercs is going to work. What the advantages/disadvantages of each will be etc.

I'm still waiting to see if I want to declare a House affiliation or go Merc... I can't quite decide between Merc or Combine.

[Urulf]

Frostiken, on 06 June 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Don't be an ***hole.

You CAN'T translate a turn based TT game to a Real Time game like you were doing mate, MW Tactics is there for a reason aswell.
I can assure you that most of the time, if u go out of cover to get near to the "campers/other team" if there is anyone watching at your side the moment you get out of cover your will get a nice present from them, and more if there are a few waiting for you to pop your mech to the sky in little pieces. If u can run unnoticed to the enemy, it will mean a succesful scout run, and u will be able to posibly beat their support mechs or even capture the base.
If you felt like i was prettending to be ofensive, i'm sorry. Just trying to give you some light of what a real time game means (not sure if you have ever played one before, ence, the expression I used).

[AceTimberwolf]

FactorlanP, on 06 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I just wish they would release some more info about the meta game and how Houses/Mercs is going to work. What the advantages/disadvantages of each will be etc.

I'm still waiting to see if I want to declare a House affiliation or go Merc... I can't quite decide between Merc or Combine.

From what I saw its still pretty bare. I think that stuff will come once they get the core down. It was Just the Home Splash where you can ready up to 4 mechs and the Mech Lab and the Launch button. No worries tho. We are here for the Mechs. The rest is an added Bonus

iintrude, on 06 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Most likely had been asked before, and I just missed it... any chance of shotting some video footage tomorrow of the game? I know it would be great appreciated if allowed. Sorry if this, as I assume it is, a repeat request.

I'll see what I can do. Again I gotta ask Bryan and Russ if its okay

And for the Most part I don't think the media would do us Justice. They wouldn't kno what to look for or what questions to ask.

Edited by AceTimberwolf, 06 June 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[DaZur]

LackofCertainty, on 06 June 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Your example here perfectly demonstrates what we want, actually.

Pistols are "weaker" than rifles, but they are still used today, because they're significantly lighter than rifles. A rocket launcher is "more powerful" than a rifle, but it has a much lower rate of rife, and it's ammo is quite heavy. etc etc etc.

That is the balance we are talking about. Every weapon doesn't need to be the same, it just needs to be viable compared to other weapons.

Here's a real world comparison and then a MW comparison:
Sniper rifles have significantly longer range than assault rifles, but generally have lower rates of fire.
LRM's have significantly longer range than Medium Lasers, but are limited by ammo and weight.

Every weapon needs to have it's place or you end up with everyone running Mech X because Weapon X is strictly better than all others. This is the doom and gloom exaggerated scenario, obviously, but the core idea is based in truth. If one weapon is noticably superior to another weapon in every way, then people will gravitate to that weapon.

P.S.
Honestly, I don't think we need to worry about it. It sounds like the weapons are all performing pretty well already, and with a few tweaks they'll have the balance nailed.

Thanks for the explanation... It sincerely clarified your stance on this issue.

That said, I still struggle with this proposed weapon balance. To further utilize your example, It's fair to say a rocket launcher is far more powerful than a rifle, however if every soldiers carried one, they could be theoretically be defeated by soldier carrying nothing more than pistols if they got in close enough and utilized swarming tactics. Point being, an over-powered weapon does not automatically = win. Proper battlefield tactics and utilization of the right weapon for the job more than makes up for an enemy with overwhelming firepower.

It's like rock-paper-scissors... It's illogical to make the guy throwing the scissors glue is fingers together to give the guy throwing the paper an equal advantage.

Edited by DaZur, 06 June 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[Adridos]

Urulf, on 06 June 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

The point i want to hold there is, how many armor does have the hunchie compared to a heavy or an assault mech designed for the same function (brawler)? and compared to any other type of mech in his bracket ?

Head - 9 for both him and Awesome

Center torso (you hit with rockets) - 30 - 26 points


That's not such a big difference, since the part of the mech we hit with rockets isn't greatly armored and if it is, a hit or two in legs and it's down because of not enough armor in them.

[Sassori]

I'm still unsure why anyone thinks an LRM isn't a mech killer in the TT, it is most assuredly. Your average hit is going to be 2.5 medium laser hits essentially, it's just another aspect where pin point accuracy shows how brokenly strong it is.

4 Medium Lasers aren't supposed to do the same direct fire damage as an AC-20, but it does here assuming your able to hold your aim. There's nothing we can do to give missiles that kind of accuracy, which makes them a weaker choice over long range weapons.

[Hobo Dan]

I really want to see a picture of this snow map!

It's irritating to me that no "official" media outlets seem to be covering this game outside of the Artemis announcement...

Ace, Thanks for your descriptions!

Edited by Hobo Dan, 06 June 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[Urulf]

Hobo Dan, on 06 June 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

I really want to see a picture of this snow map!

It's irritating to me that no "official" media outlets seem to be covering this game outside of the Artemis announcement...

Ace, Thanks for your descriptions!

Indeed mate, indeed.
I still remember the WoT press last year, they even got amazingly real WWII tanks to the Expo!

Edited by Urulf, 06 June 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[Kobold]

Christopher Dayson, on 06 June 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I'm still unsure why anyone thinks an LRM isn't a mech killer in the TT, it is most assuredly. Your average hit is going to be 2.5 medium laser hits essentially, it's just another aspect where pin point accuracy shows how brokenly strong it is.

I'm still unsure why you think LRMs will all hit the same spot. Did you watch the heavy mech gameplay video? Look at how much all the LRMs spread out. Even if you only take into account the LRMs from one arm (since someone might stack multiple launchers in the same location), it still will cover more than a mech's entire body.

[estus1]

I wonder if heat will be a issue on the snow maps and in the water.

[Adridos]

Urulf, on 06 June 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I still remember the WoT press last year, they even got amazingly real WWII tanks to the Expo!

Now they brought a fighter plane with them, but yeah, it's not as awesome as for the first time.

[Sassori]

Kobold, on 06 June 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

I'm still unsure why you think LRMs will all hit the same spot. Did you watch the heavy mech gameplay video? Look at how much all the LRMs spread out. Even if you only take into account the LRMs from one arm (since someone might stack multiple launchers in the same location), it still will cover more than a mech's entire body.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I have NEVER said LRM's will all hit the same spot. In fact I've said multiple times they will scatter into clusters. Each cluster hitting for the same as a medium laser as per TT since lasers don't have pin point accuracy either in TT.

They do however have it here, and LRM's don't. Other than that... dunno what's the purpose of your post.