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[Narcissistic Martyr]

Assuming the clans are a playable faction I predict that

1) Clan pilots will start with a non omni mech (a IIC version of the IS mechs)

2) The clan economy will be based on honor points for doing honorable stuff in battle

3) Yes the MC costs will be rediculous

[OneEyed Jack]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 11 May 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Assuming the clans are a playable faction I predict that

1) Clan pilots will start with a non omni mech (a IIC version of the IS mechs)

No.

Second-line mechs are... well... second line. The invasion is full of front-line mechs, because those are what you send in your front line.

Besides, they're not going to release a dozen second-line mechs right off the bat, along with several Omnis, just so people have something to drive while they grind for an Omni. There's a time-line, and mechs that aren't even seen until after Tukayyid are NOT going to be the first mechs seen in-game.

[In7h]

jay35, on 10 May 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Absurd is what that level of pricing would be.

You say that like it isn't already.

[IceSerpent]

In7h, on 11 May 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

You say that like it isn't already.

I dunno - given that any useful mech costs exactly nothing in RL currency and 50% less in c-bills than it's supposed to, I don't see any good reasons to complain about pricing.

[Wintersdark]

Capt Cole 117, on 11 May 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Yes, only clan players should get acess to clan mechs, and lose them if they leave the clans. Otherwise nobody would use IS mechs.

I'm sorry, but you're showing a crushing lack of understanding of player psychology here.

Your statement above is false. If only Clan players can use Clan mechs, there will only be Clan players. IS numbers will drop off like a rock with only the hardcore BT purists who prefer IS; that's less than half the BT purists. ALL of the "Regular Players" (read: Non-BT people who just like Mechwarrior but don't really care a lot about the story/background) would go Clan, because why the hell would you choose to only use the crappy mechs?


As such, it's extremely likely that everyone will have access to clan tech in some manner.

[Skadi]

OneEyed Jack, on 11 May 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

No.

Second-line mechs are... well... second line. The invasion is full of front-line mechs, because those are what you send in your front line.

Besides, they're not going to release a dozen second-line mechs right off the bat, along with several Omnis, just so people have something to drive while they grind for an Omni. There's a time-line, and mechs that aren't even seen until after Tukayyid are NOT going to be the first mechs seen in-game.

And that's assuming you can start as clans, which I HIGHLY doubt you will be able to.

[jay35]

It will probably involve a parallel currency to c-bills, which are earned by playing as a Clanner, usable to purchase clan tech, etc. The value of that currency should be essentially identical to c-bills to keep things balanced.

[Aethon]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 11 May 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

1) Clan pilots will start with a non omni mech (a IIC version of the IS mechs)

I would love this...and I would not move 'up' to an Omni for a very, very long time, since every mech in the game is almost an Omni already. We can switch weapons, armor, engines, heat sinks, and even the structure of the chassis itself, instantly...which was one of the main advantages of the omnimech.

Highlander IIC? Yes, please.

[Gyrok]

Actually, while omni-mechs can load any weapon configuration, their engines and chassis were usually not upgradeable. Omni-mechs changing engines, etc. would require a redesign. Which was the balance behind them...if your clan mech is too slow, buy a new one, because you can't change the engine out for a bigger/better one.

[Skylarr]

Quote

Disadvantages

Despite their flexibility and maintenance benefits, OmniMechs have distinct limitations in regard to cost and logistics.

OmniMechs are not fully modular. An OmniMech's structural components: its engine, internal structure, armor and any equipment installed on the base chassis of OmniMech are "hard-wired" and cannot be modified outside of a total redesign of the 'Mech. While customization of these components is theoretically possible in the field, it is avoided as it hard-wires all the 'Mechs components and effectively transforms it from a OmniMech into a standard BattleMech. While they can be considered structural components, the lower-arm and hand actuators are themselves pod-mounted and easily removed to provide additional pod-space in the arms. However the mounting points for them are also utilized by larger bore weaponry such as Gauss Rifles, Autocannonsand PPCs and so must be automatically removed to carry these weapon types an OmniMech's arms, hampering the close-combat abilities of these configurations.[/color]

Edited by Skylarr, 11 May 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[Aethon]

Gyrok, on 11 May 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Actually, while omni-mechs can load any weapon configuration, their engines and chassis were usually not upgradeable. Omni-mechs changing engines, etc. would require a redesign. Which was the balance behind them...if your clan mech is too slow, buy a new one, because you can't change the engine out for a bigger/better one.

They could still be changed, just like any standard battlemech...but it became a custom job at that point, not a simple pod swap, as with weapons and extra heatsinks/jumpjets, other than the ones locked to the chassis.

The relatively-instant swap to which I was referring was weaponry not locked to the chassis; that is what gave them their tactical flexibility.

[Scratx]

Most people miss the fact that a huge chunk of an Omnimech's price is actually the Extra-Light Fusion Engine... you'll note that if you go look at the (very few) Omnimechs that field Standard Fusion Engines, the prices are only a little higher than a non-Omnimech with the same loadout would be.

Here's an example of a Standard FE Omnimech : http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lupus
A similar weight example with XL : http://www.sarna.net...auldron-Born%29

The price difference, though it doesn't say on Sarna for the Lupus, is that you can get just about two Lupus for the price of one Ebon Jaguar.

All due to the XL engine.

[rgreat]

Compare that to Eve-Online Titan prices.

Thousands of bucks per ship you can lose completely....

Edited by rgreat, 12 May 2013 - 06:13 AM.

[VanillaG]

So a couple of things about TT prices:

• Engine prices are based on rating AND weight of chassis while MWO is priced just on rating. So for MWO the price should be little lower
  
• Omnimechs cost 25% more than than the exact same mech that is not classed as an omni

<speculation>
Since the only difference between the various configs is the weapons loadouts, there should be no reason to have to buy 3 variants of an omnimech. Currently each variant of a mech has specific quirks and hardpoints it make sense to have to purchase 3 of them to master. So if you only need to purchase the omni once to master it, it makes sense to that it would cost 2-3 times the cost of a similar mech that was not an omni.
</speculation>

[B0oN]

24 Millions ?
Only ?

May I try that ^^

[CyclonerM]

Mmh. Maybe to balance clan and IS mechs they could upgrade old IS mechs to they're IIC version?

[Adridos]

CyclonerM, on 12 May 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Mmh. Maybe to balance clan and IS mechs they could upgrade old IS mechs to they're IIC version?

Those aren't upgrades, but different mechs altogether.

Take Jenner, for instance. The Jenner IIC is an SRM boat without any lasers.


And the fact they are mostly unseen doesn't help the matter, either.

[-Muta-]

I am sitting on small 113.000.000 now. Saving some to see what comes next.

[Den Siva]

Oh god, a Madcat? Oh please, oh please! At the start of 3050, clan mechs out performed inferior IS models by a ratio of 3 to 1. you would expect them to be about as valuable, if not more so in the hands of a capable pilot.

[Capt Cole 117]

Wintersdark, on 11 May 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but you're showing a crushing lack of understanding of player psychology here.
Your statement above is false. If only Clan players can use Clan mechs, there will only be Clan players. IS numbers will drop off like a rock with only the hardcore BT purists who prefer IS; that's less than half the BT purists. ALL of the "Regular Players" (read: Non-BT people who just like Mechwarrior but don't really care a lot about the story/background) would go Clan, because why the hell would you choose to only use the crappy mechs?
As such, it's extremely likely that everyone will have access to clan tech in some manner.

I'm sorry, but you're showing a crushing lack of understanding of player psychology here.
The devs have said that clans will work similar to the great houses, most players will want the freedom of choosing a planet to capture and hold, which has been hinted to be a perk of joining a merc corp.
And there was a poll that showed most people were unsure of or would not join the clans, and that was in the clan subforum where a higher then average number of players are presumably pro clan.
http://mwomercs.com/...ill-you-change/

As long as theres some metagame disadvantage; not being able to own dozens of mechs, or not being able to chose your planet/map, or more limited ways to customize your mech to name a few, then most people will stick with merc corps and the IS. The clans can be made to appeal to role players and hard core clan enthusiasts while keeping their defining characteristics.