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[RogueSpear]

Assume everyone has heard about it, but only seen a tarp covered shape. Everyone is pretty confident that it is a Mad Cat and have their own speculations/no idea why it's being hidden.

[Thom Frankfurt]

@ Spokes, if there's some reflective armor (is that available at this time?) Thom didn't order it. So that's all you/VEST... and up to the GM.

[RogueSpear]

If you didn't put it on your mech when you submitted it, you ain't got it is the rule I'm working by. If you want to try and justify getting some, standard rules apply. I'll allow just about anything if you RP it well enough.

[Spokes]

Sorry for the confusion, the "ArcShield Reflective" armor listed on the technical specs I submitted for Li's Scorpion is Laser Reflective Armor, complete with the requisite ten critical spaces. I just didn't want to magically spawn spare armor plating after the fur started to fly.

Sarna says Laser Reflective Armor (Alternatively called Reflec or Glazed) was developed by the Lyran Alliance in 3058. ArcShield Reflective is manufactured on Solaris, and since VEST is based there I went with that 'brand'. If VEST is testing the stuff it would make sense to me that they would spring for some spare plating for repair work. When it runs out, Li can switch to the standard plating.

Interestingly enough, Sarna also says the Falcons are using the stuff in 3061, so. . .hey wow, I have a lot of energy weapons on my 'Mech. . .

If anyone is curious, I'm spinning VESTs involvement as a precursor to this. . .

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Great_Turtle

[Spokes]

I hope Li's sudden issue didn't throw anyone. . .she's only going to be out in the hallway for a moment. I'm going to let that hang for a little while-- feel free to have her slip back into the room and sit down if anyone wants to add that into their post. Still looks a bit sick, but not nearly as bad. Quiet entrance, apologetic expression. Less "Oh God, I'm so sorry!" and more "Heh, my bad!" Cursory looks will get a friendly "wave off" and a smile. If anyone wants dialog, please feel free to shoot me a private message.

I'll leave that lie until, say, Monday evening and then I'll bring her back in. I'll do it sooner if the briefing scene starts progressing or if the GM smacks me.

[Sparks Murphey]

RogueSpear, on 30 May 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

If you didn't put it on your mech when you submitted it, you ain't got it is the rule I'm working by. If you want to try and justify getting some, standard rules apply. I'll allow just about anything if you RP it well enough.

Pesky lasers giving you trouble? Try the extra light reflective armour enhancement from Quickscell, "Seek Wins"! Unlike other reflective armour, Seek Wins is a coating applied on top of standard plate, adding to your protection with no performance reduction. The round, multi-coloured microplates are suitable for any scale of application, from personnel to WarShips, and make you look fabulous! 9 out of 10 Solaris pilots rated it S for Shiny!

[RogueSpear]

Okay, yes. Thom managed to source nearly enough of that to coat a full twenty tonnes of standard plate. How effective it is though...I'll have a think

[dal10]

i don't use reflective or reactive armor, ever, for any reason. because the moment i do the GM(talking in general) will put in a ton of primary ballistics and missile mechs for reflective, or a ton of laser mechs for reactive. just to spite me.

also, reflective armor hates hachetmans...

Edited by dal10, 31 May 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[RogueSpear]

Yep, we're all out to get you, specifically Dal.
A good GM won't change his campaign unless the players take, en masse, a particular type of armour and they were planning on using a tonne of units using only the type of weapon that is least effective against it. Even then, they won't change it too much, just back up the amount of other weapons.

[Spokes]

Well, the "Great Turtle" is the end result of VESTs mechwarrior survivability project, and while they end up using hardened armor, reflective armor can soak a cockpit hit from a clan tech ER PPC and not breach. Quads are also not as prone to falls, so that's a plus. If I have to plow through a building, I might be in trouble.

[Sparks Murphey]

RogueSpear, on 31 May 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Okay, yes. Thom managed to source nearly enough of that to coat a full twenty tonnes of standard plate. How effective it is though...I'll have a think

I do hope you're not really taking me seriously.

[RogueSpear]

Lmao great! In my head it looked like sequins. I was gonna make fun of anyone who used it accordingly...

[Thom Frankfurt]

Unless it's changed from how it was in my TT days... it halves all damage from energy weapons. However, ballistic and missiles to full damage, and melee attacks do X2 damage...

Personally, I hate the stuff. Dude I used to TT with all the time started fielding entire customized lances equipped with reflective armor, Guardiam ECM's and duo AMSs... Which really sucked for me because I only had one LB10X in my lance everything else was pretty much a energy zombie. And my streaks (because I love them and despise LRMs) would get shot down before hitting his rhinestone cowboy mechs, so I resorted to physical attacks. He starting crying foul when I started kicking the legs off everything he used.

Have no fear Mr. GM, character Thom will not use the stuff. Though, personally I think it'd be useful to use the junk considering Clanners frown upon mech-melee combat.

[Spokes]

This is the first time I've ever used it. You also take double damage from falls, so it's a definite trade off. But in this specific instance, it seemed to fit the fluff and the situation. 7 points of damage from a clan ER PPC instead of 15? Yes please.

[RogueSpear]

Don't you mean 8? Or does it specifically round down?
Thanks for putting the rules out there though, I didn't know what the TT rules for it was. Personally, I always hated reactive armour and Catapults - my first experience with MW was MW4:Mercs. I love me some autocannons, so most of my mechs would be made of ACs and LRMs with a couple medium lasers for backup. In the meantime, Catapults had 2 LRM20s with AIV and just shrugged off such things...
As for you Thom, shame on you for only bringing a single AC and some streaks. If you insist on constantly bringing primarily one weapon type, your opponent would be a fool not to adapt. Personally I prefer to give at least one AC/Missile launcher and enough energy weapons to be potent (So a single PPC or a brace of mediums kind of thing) so I can always hurt the other guy. I also make sure I have at least one long range weapon too, so I can hurt the other ****** at any range. LRMs are great for that because they can indirect fire.
Of course, all that being said, I tend to just shove on some ACs and a few mediums and call it a day

[Spokes]

It specifically says to round down. The one huge question mark for me is, what happens if Li's mech suddenly develops a bad case of elementals? I'm inclined to say, "nothing special", but I can't pretend to be unbiased here.

[RogueSpear]

Sounds like the rules are pretty clear mate - you'd take 1 damage from the small and double damage from the claw.

[Spokes]

Well, there you go. I think the "swarming" rules I have average the damage out over the entire point-- half on the laser and double on the claw would maybe balance. I dunno.

I have an idea. Let's never find out.

[Thom Frankfurt]

Spokes, on 01 June 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

I have an idea. Let's never find out.

Haha... I was thinking about bringing some 'Tandem Charge Warheads' just for the toads. From the description it sounds like they kill toads Hella easy.

OG tactical handbook states that they affect all infantry even BA equipped ones like standard SRMs, but then Sarna states: These missiles have been very useful when fighting Manei Domini, both MechWarriors and Battle Armored troopers are affected.[4]

Confused.

Edited by Thom Frankfurt, 01 June 2013 - 12:18 PM.

[Thom Frankfurt]

RogueSpear, on 01 June 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

As for you Thom, shame on you for only bringing a single AC and some streaks. If you insist on constantly bringing primarily one weapon type, your opponent would be a fool not to adapt. Personally I prefer to give at least one AC/Missile launcher and enough energy weapons to be potent (So a single PPC or a brace of mediums kind of thing) so I can always hurt the other guy. I also make sure I have at least one long range weapon too, so I can hurt the other ****** at any range. LRMs are great for that because they can indirect fire.
Of course, all that being said, I tend to just shove on some ACs and a few mediums and call it a day

I think that all my units were randomly rolled, but I'm not sure. For my customs I always try to have a 'mechkilling weapon' basically a weapon that does at least 10 points of damage just incase I get a lucky head hit I can roll (and usally fail) for criticals. As you can see from what I try to roll with, I love PPCs and SSRMS, but I do get a chubby from LB10X's (not really a big fan of the others.) and gauss rifles too... I also dig, SW mentality and strap as many md lasers as possible on it too.