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[Deathlike]

Hayashi, on 26 May 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

Notice the conspicuous lack of SRM, LBX, Small Lasers and any Medium chassis in this.

SRMs seem nerfed further than they were before. I haven't tried LBX yet, but for mediums... I see enough Cent shields for scouting or tanking... so but the SRM nerfs are probably hurting them the most.

In any case, the subforum needs to be renamed "Game Imbalances" because, every change is a new imbalance (too weak or too strong). There is simply no middle ground.

valkyrie, on 26 May 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Personally, I don't think the point of this was to flip the meta on it's head; rather, I think the idea was to make it evident how much the BAP buff against ECM has helped Streakcats become extremely strong in knife-fights again, possibly even moreso than the AC/20 Jag due to the shape of the 'Mech and the guaranteed hits.

At least, that's what I'm taking away from it.

Sadly, this was predicted long before the actual change...

PGI is epic for everything that involves unintended consequences.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 May 2013 - 12:21 AM.

[JohnathanSwift]

Deathlike, on 26 May 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

SRMs seem nerfed further than they were before. I haven't tried LBX yet, but for mediums... I see enough Cent shields for scouting or tanking... so but the SRM nerfs are probably hurting them the most.

In any case, the subforum needs to be renamed "Game Imbalances" because, every change is a new imbalance (too weak or too strong). There is simply no middle ground.



Sadly, this was predicted long before the actual change...

PGI is epic for everything that involves unintended consequences.

Which is why Connor had us doing this long before the patch, even in 8man when ECM will still around you needed fast tracking weapons and DDC's.

Now its just A1 deathballs.

[One Medic Army]

valkyrie, on 25 May 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Whoops, my mistake, it's been a while since I sold my -C4.

Point still stands with the -C1 though. Even mixing in two of them with the BAPCat horde would likely be incredibly effective.

Jagermechs.
4x SSRMs, 2x PPCs, and you could even fit a couple MGs if you wanted.
Of course much worse profile and no jumps.

You guys at Kong want to try it out to see how much of it's the innate maneuverability/hitboxes of the 'pult?

[JohnathanSwift]

One Medic Army, on 26 May 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Jagermechs.
4x SSRMs, 2x PPCs, and you could even fit a couple MGs if you wanted.
Of course much worse profile and no jumps.

You guys at Kong want to try it out to see how much of it's the innate maneuverability/hitboxes of the 'pult?

stop by our vent and discuss things, no one is on at the moment but afternoon primetime Kong will be active again.

We mainly had a huge upswing because of Kongkast.

[One Medic Army]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

stop by our vent and discuss things, no one is on at the moment but afternoon primetime Kong will be active again.

We mainly had a huge upswing because of Kongkast.

I cannot actually participate. Last patch (or possibly my video card upgrade) gave me crashing issues, unfortunately. 80% of my matches end in hard-crash, CTD, or video-freeze.

Of course, if there's one thing that makes me not regret being unable to play, it's reading the forums

[Pando]

Something like http://mwo.smurfy-ne...934b71d5bea57cf <---?

[Hayashi]

Nowadays ECM isn't much of an issue anymore. There are so many PPC snipers that enemy ECM can usually be disabled just before LRM volleys, Streaks are no longer vulnerable to ECM because of BAP, and the movement hiding effect is nullified by 400m Adv. Seismic Range.

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Something like http://mwo.smurfy-ne...934b71d5bea57cf <---?

That's damn strong.

Edited by Hayashi, 26 May 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

There sure is a lot of ammo being carried. On top of that streaks are limited in both range and the mobility of the user to getting into range.

Reminds me of the good times during MPBT Solaris once all locations were legitimate target locations, especially against cats/marauders, either leg to restrict mobility or take the ears for weapons.

Just saying, especially since this is in the 8-man queue.

[One Medic Army]

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Something like http://mwo.smurfy-ne...934b71d5bea57cf <---?

Or http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=71&l=635e43020f598d6d20aee50578bea7d84998a26d for a bit more speed, at the cost of 3 heatsinks and some arm armor.

Heck, ditch a ton of streak ammo (only 4 tons for 4 launchers rather than 5) and it frees up a ton and a crit, enough to add another heatsink so you're only down 2.

Edited by One Medic Army, 26 May 2013 - 12:47 AM.

[JohnathanSwift]

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Something like http://mwo.smurfy-ne...934b71d5bea57cf <---?

if you're suggesting that'll take out the A1 I've got some bad news.

[Pando]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

if you're suggesting that'll take out the A1 I've got some bad news.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5ccd0041604425d

I'm suggesting 8 of these v/s 8 A1's might be interesting.

[Vassago Rain]

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5ccd0041604425d

I'm suggesting 8 of these v/s 8 A1's might be interesting.

Very strong. I don't own that highlander anymore, but I might rebuy it.

[JohnathanSwift]

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5ccd0041604425d

I'm suggesting 8 of these v/s 8 A1's might be interesting.

The problem lies in with torso twisting, speed, JJ's and arm streaks for maximum reach.

You could in theory land some lucky hits on CT and follow up with streaks, but you're going to be having lots of trouble tracking and shooting.

I'd like to see it still.

[Pando]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

The problem lies in with torso twisting, speed, JJ's and arm streaks for maximum reach.

You could in theory land some lucky hits on CT and follow up with streaks, but you're going to be having lots of trouble tracking and shooting.

I'd like to see it still.

Yes, I could see those items being an issue. I don't believe landing 16 ERPPC's focused onto one target is a problem or would require luck. After all I'm a Jade Wolf, it's what we do ;P

I know the group of cats would engage the group of highlanders. The map will play a huge factor. The only question is how many cats will make it to the highlanders and in what condition. The cats will more than likely engage the highlanders with down or heavily damaged pilots again map would be key.

No doubt it would be a good match to watch.

[CancR]

valkyrie, on 25 May 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

So the map with almost zero major landmarks, a couple of ridges in an otherwise empty space, and a MASSIVE elevation advantage granted to one team in every game combined with a game mode that promotes camping on both sides lest you move up for long range weapons fire and get capped out by lights that went all the way around (outside of weapon range and RENDER distance for even the highest-end computers) with ECM is one of the best maps MWO has to offer?

This is what happens when Call of Duty 4 is your very first video game..

Lights can move out side of sensor and weapon range? NOOO FAIIIR!!!!!! Far be it for any one to think, in a thinking man's shooter.

I think you miss the signs telling you the game isn't about camping when lights keep getting behind you and out capping you in general

I guess when your idea of strategy is to W+m1 till you win, a place like Alpine peaks that takes communication, a diverse team of mechs in different classes to fill different roles, and the ability to change strats on the fly if something doesn't work is a horrible map.

Better to play on Forest Colony where you can take 10 steps out of your base and already get kills from LRM/PPC/Gauss spaming.

[Chameleon Silk]

I wish my 4 man encountered this group, we would probably see nothing but A1 streak cats and then blow off your racks, honestly 150m streaks on a slow CAT don't really scare me what scares me is 6 of them with some LRM boats, thats what scares me.

[JohnathanSwift]

Chameleon Silk, on 26 May 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

I wish my 4 man encountered this group, we would probably see nothing but A1 streak cats and then blow off your racks, honestly 150m streaks on a slow CAT don't really scare me what scares me is 6 of them with some LRM boats, thats what scares me.

I highly doubt this,

not even the goons or leddit or blackwidownz could do anything about us.

the closest match was against leddit and they stacked ECM and as soon as one mech got close all the ECM was carpeted by BAP.

[Egomane]

I removed several posts for violation of the Code of Conduct. I'll remind you as well, that this Code of Conduct is also viable in the game. Any violation is a punishable offense.

Please remember to make these forums an enjoyable place for everyone, without posting mature language or insults.

[Sam Slade]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

not even the goons or leddit or blackwidownz could do anything about us.

hate to be a stickler but this isn't true... you did loose twice that we know of.

I'd be interested to see this made fool-proof; saying 'we'll base camp' or 'leave a mech behind' doesn't cut it as proof. Base camp means you could get TAG/NARCed and LRMed to blazes and who knows what will happen if you're not working as a full 8 man Streak-blob?

If it's really the ubermechs please do it again with all contingencies covered(not a troll, I want to see if this works).

[Vercinaigh]

Most of these guys here are from my unit and are either new to the game, new to 8mans, or barely play.

As such since you've seen it fit to brag about a easy win, Team 007 from Head Hunters of Davion is calling you out. PM me with a time frame, we will be there, bring anything you like, see how you stand up to a -team- instead of casuals.

Good day sir

5th Battalion Executive Officer, Team 007 Captain
~Vercinaigh