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#101 Mr 144

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 04:05 AM

View PostTriordinant, on 28 May 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

I can see 2 energy on the torso, 2 on the arms and 2 ballistics on the arms. Where are the other 2 hardpoints? In any case, because it doesn't have the usual arm actuators, it means you can theoretically put an ERPPC and a Gauss Rifle in each arm...


sigh.....no...no you can't. Put it out of your head. Not only is it not possible, even downgrading everything....even if you somehow can pull it off with 1 ton of ammo, it's certainly not viable....sigh

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

View PostMr 144, on 30 May 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:


sigh.....no...no you can't. Put it out of your head. Not only is it not possible, even downgrading everything....even if you somehow can pull it off with 1 ton of ammo, it's certainly not viable....sigh

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ACtually I did one with a 48.6 kph stock speed, 2 tons of ammo, 2 Guass, 2 ERPPC, and enough armour to survive being scratched... but like the triple Guass Muromets that existed, it'll still fall over if sneezed on by poptarts...

#103 sarelk

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 05:44 AM

why is it a jager mech? why are the majority of heros heavy + mechs? redic...

first off there does nto need to be any more jagers out there... what a nightmare... and second they need to balance the scales a bit more and get some lighter and medium hero mechs...

yeah...

#104 Kraven Kor

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:53 AM

View Postsarelk, on 30 May 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

why is it a jager mech? why are the majority of heros heavy + mechs? redic...

first off there does nto need to be any more jagers out there... what a nightmare... and second they need to balance the scales a bit more and get some lighter and medium hero mechs...

yeah...


Oh, come on... 5 Jagers in a match is just not enough Jagers... :(

#105 C E Dwyer

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostDyson Ring, on 28 May 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

So, there's the announcement on the splash page about the June Hero 'Mech, Firebrand.

Looks like its going to have 2 ER PPC/PPC, 2 AC/2, and 2 Medium Lasers/Pulse Lasers.

Any thoughts?



Its not a Golf *coughs* Victor

#106 C E Dwyer

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

View Postzhajin, on 29 May 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

very nice looking. my only complaint is that now we have heros for every heavy and assault. while mediums and lights get neglected yet again. Another money grab by PGI, with no regard for game balance.


Mediums, have the X-5 the Yen-lo-wang.
Lights, the Deathknell, and I suspect there will be a hero Jenner soon, though I maybe wrong.

Hardly a full card is it, but then about 20% of the population uses lights, afew mediums, the rest heavies, and assaults its not a money Grab, its business, and honestly not that well thought out, a pure money grab would be to introduce the heromech first all the time, I know, I would, if I was running the company.

I've not got around to grinding a stalker, and when I do I don't think the misery will be one of them, I bought the Heavy Metal, because it was the earliest chance to ride a highlander.

When I buy my Victors if the CB ones are released first, unless the art on the Hero is exceptional like the firebrands, I am unlikely to consider it, if the hero mech comes first, then mc will get spent on it.

That said I did lift and eyebrow and think hmm thats really good, at the firebrand so I might join the jagermeister set afterall

#107 C E Dwyer

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:13 AM

View PostKeifomofutu, on 28 May 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Yay! Could make a rifleman loadout out of that bad boy really easily.


Not if they are all energy hard points

View PostJudgeDeathCZ, on 28 May 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

yea thats what came on my mind when I saw those PPCs ;)



Standard Rifleman build was 2 ac5 2 large lasers with 2 mediums in the torso

Don't know about the IIc as that came after it got cheesy and I lost intrest in Battletech

Edited by Cathy, 30 May 2013 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:18 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 28 May 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

curse them to the depths of the 9th plane of hades.

NOw I have to buy another Hero.

I was so waiting for a Victor Hero.

Back to driving my Jager it will be.


And is it just me, or does the stock armament actually sound pretty effective for a change?



lol you sound like me

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:28 AM

View PostAlexEss, on 29 May 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

I would guess that popularity plays in to what chassis get a hero and in what order. But seeing as it now stands at

Light 1
Medium:2
Heavy:4(3)
Assault: 3

it stands to reason that the next hero will be a light. And since the Jenner is most likley on the bottom of the list and the raven does not have much you can do with it.. I'd wager a spider. So people.. chill the frak out


Better be a 80 tonne scout Victor then

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:53 AM

Not a fan of the paint scheme and agree with some that they could have left out all the tacky symbols esp. the 666 if it is there (I can't see it in the pic). Same reason I did not buy a Pretty Baby yet - just not a fan of the paint schemes. To each his own.

If PGI give me an option to replace the paint with my other unlocked camo schemes I will reconsider.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:54 PM

It is disappointing that this mech uses ******* symbols, or any religious symbols at all. I would completely understand if a Muslim didn't want to use a mech with Jewish symbols on it. Or a atheist not wanting to use a mech with Christian symbols on it. I would buy this mech if it didn't have such symbols on it.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

I'm a practicing Christian, and I think PGI should leave the mech just like it is.

I'll repeat that in case you heard what you wanted to hear instead. It should stay just like it is.

They designed it to look like that, and shouldn't have to buckle under the whining of religious church ladies too frail to handle the scary mech lest God smite them for using it.

I mean, live in the real world here. This is a really petty issue.

Also, transport yourself (repeating myself here) to the Battletech universe....people make obscene and scary mechs ;)

View PostLexLuther, on 30 May 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Or a atheist not wanting to use a mech with Christian symbols on it. I would buy this mech if it didn't have such symbols on it.


Uh huh, and why would there ever be a mech with "Christian" symbols on it? (like what? a cross? a Jesus fish? you're referring to symbols of good correct?) Zero logic behind that considering you're basically labeling this mech as such a machine with Christian symbols on it since 666 is from the Christian faith...so guess what? BAM, already exists.

Where as there totally would be a mech with devil symbols, or symbols of evil, death, destruction. That actually makes valid sense. I mean, you must not know a lot about Warhammer/Warhammer 40K or you'd be offended like crazy at a lot of the designs of characters in that much less certain schemes in other famous TT..

Or perhaps what actual soldiers in real life have been known to sport on their planes, tanks, weapons...
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

You've created reasoning behind my statement that in no way reflects what I believe and completely misrepresented the statement I made. I said I can understand a person not wanting to use a mech that has powerful and extremely recognizable religious symbols on it. The reason causing such offence isn't the issue.

I can understand an atheist not wanting to use a mech with Christian symbols on it. WTF is illogical about that? I never insinuated any symbol is good or evil. Only that some people may not want to be associated with religious symbols.

#114 almightyfargoth

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

*sigh*

No dude, it's not illogical for them to not want to use a "Christian" mech, it's illogical for you to not recognize that this already is said "Christian mech". It sounded like you were inventing a Jewish mech for the future, then a Christian mech (and in that symbols like a cross, or something really famous from Christianity would occur, *smack*), and neither were this Jagermech yet.

So nope, I didn't *completely* misrepresent anything. You made flawed statements, and I recognized that.

Also, I didn't insinuate I knew what faith you were at all. If you thought what is above the quote was solely talking about only what you said, then yeah...here's your reality check on that. Everything below the quote, totally for you.

and as far as religious symbols, I refer to the phrase "too bad?" and my entire speech about symbolism in war all over the place....which was conveniently skimmed over I suppose. Alrighty.

Edited by almightyfargoth, 30 May 2013 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 03:00 PM

Though the 666 symbol may have originated within Christianity. It's not used or associated with the PRACTICE of Christianity. It's used and associated with, namely the practice Satanism. The rams head in Paganism and Wicca additionally. By your logic the use of the swastika should always be associated with Indian religions because of its origins.

There was nothing flawed about my statement. By your own admission, what I said was logical and it was you that misunderstood it.

#116 General Taskeen

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 03:43 PM

I'm not sure why 666 is even talking about this in discussion lol. Religion in my Mech Warrior? And 666 has to do with Caeser Nero, whom Christians called the "Devil." Basically all religion is man-made, as far as I'm concerned.

#117 Xandergod

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

The conversation is about religious symbols. 666 specifically is on the new Jagermech.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 05:33 PM

View PostLexLuther, on 30 May 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

The conversation is about religious symbols. 666 specifically is on the new Jagermech.

666 is actually a concept created by christianity and was merely adopted by satanism, which occured two thousand years later (roughly). You pick and choose your "logic" when in reality you just plug your ears and go "lalalalala" and act like youre right, which youre not. Par for the course of religious people who demand things be changed to the way they think they should be in A FREE SOCIETY.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

View PostLexLuther, on 30 May 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Though the 666 symbol may have originated within Christianity. It's not used or associated with the PRACTICE of Christianity. It's used and associated with, namely the practice Satanism. The rams head in Paganism and Wicca additionally. By your logic the use of the swastika should always be associated with Indian religions because of its origins.

There was nothing flawed about my statement. By your own admission, what I said was logical and it was you that misunderstood it.

You really have to be kidding me if you're actually attempting to school me on the fact 666 is indicative of Satanic worshippers :)

Like, really? You got "this guy clearly has no understanding of what 666 represents!" this entire time? lol

Also, how would you get Indian origins for the swastika being the end all thing from the logic I've used so far? I would straight up connect that with Nazis, every single time. There is no "by my logic" in this, just sane logic, where things are linked up to what everyone knows them as and there isn't any irrelevancy coming out of left field. Frankly, thank Hitler for that one, he made it more famous than ever possible.

Like, you've done the whole irrelevancy spiel twice now. Once when you started saying inane things like Muslims being offended by a Jewish oriented mech (BECAUSE THAT'S SO LIKELY TO HAPPEN COMPARED TO THE FIREBRAND SITUATION. MECH WALKING AROUND WITH STARS OF DAVID AND DREIDELS ON THE DASH.), and now with the swastika like it has any bearing on the topic at hand. Stay focused :)

Additional also, the entire reason I brought up "good" symbols for Christianity was because you yourself brought up (and then never ever responded to my response to it) the whole thing about Christian symbols on a mech. For example, a cross, Jesus fish, trinity symbol, etc. Those are inherently good symbols, as opposed to the 666 which is....don't even need to go on if you're lost here. This is also an example of a flawed statement you made, stating that I'm only talking about symbols of evil here when I totally had an entire statement devoted to asking you to clarify about good symbols (supposedly? who's to know, you won't say anything on it and without clarification I must instantly just misunderstand!) and how they affect Atheists. You chose to just say nothing to it, so it was left unanswered.

I get it, you're trying to be a know it all about all this....but you're not actually driving home any real point, and supporting not offending people for reasons that have been invalidated by my statements and others.

So basically, this just leaves me with copious amounts of wtf as far as whether you're grasping what I've been saying here since it's been obvious from the beginning I have a perfect understanding of the difference between good and evil symbols in Christianity.

View PostLexLuther, on 30 May 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

The conversation is about religious symbols. 666 specifically is on the new Jagermech.


View PostStone Profit, on 30 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

666 is actually a concept created by christianity and was merely adopted by satanism, which occured two thousand years later (roughly). You pick and choose your "logic" when in reality you just plug your ears and go "lalalalala" and act like youre right, which youre not. Par for the course of religious people who demand things be changed to the way they think they should be in A FREE SOCIETY.
TL:DR
Dont like it, dont play it.


and yeah, there we go. 666 is literally in the Bible in it's later years, still going strong after Nero, and then really got amped up in the last couple hundred years.

Now that the history lesson is over, who gives a crap? Oh, right, church ladies and people who tiptoe in life lol

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

It was actually representative of Nero

http://www.straightd...rk-of-the-beast

Who was actually a good guy who got slandered like mad

http://www.crystalinks.com/nero.html





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