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[Tombstoner]

Don't advance all the way out. this is why if you turn around you loose. your over extended.
only push out 1/2 of normal. that way on most maps the lights have to pass with in your field of view. many time i have seen my team just move out like lemmings then get caped as the entire team went left not to the center.

This is NOT death match.

[Pando]

Interesting, solutions for something that isn't a problem. I can't recall where, but didn't the developers state that the percentage of games lost to capture with all players active was incredibly small compared to games lost by capture with only 1 or a few battlemechs still active?

[StonedVet]

zraven7, on 03 June 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

First of all, I've always been for automated base defenses. However, ten gauss cannons is ridiculous, and you know it.

Second, when you are "assaulting" something, you are assuming it's guarded. If it's not guarded, what you are doing is "squatting" and possibly "laughing".

Third, an alternate answer is RUN MOBILE MECHS!!! You wanna run your 'Phract or Atlas, fine. Make sure there are people on your team who are mobile. If you wanna pug like that, you get what you get. Make some friends.

BTW, having mobile mechs in the case of a base rush does NOT mean one or two lights. it means a light or two backed by some mediums. The medium weight class is supposed to act as a bridge between the mobility of a light and the sustainability and firepower of a heavy. The lights see what is capturing the base, possibly step on it to stop the capture, as the mediums close in with better firepower. Just because everyone likes to gripe that the mediums are "useless" doesn't make it so.

BALANCED TEAMS, people. Stop rocking the "Atlas and Highlander Sumo Squad" and you might do a little better.

Ok so we can make sure to have balanced teams .. so .... umm ... tell me how we make it so each match is 2 assaults 2 heavies 2 mediums and 2 scouts and this would be a credible answer. 10 gauss rifles defending is nothing when you use teamwork to take it instead of 1-2 lights rushing it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lowridah, on 03 June 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Ok so we can make sure to have balanced teams .. so .... umm ... tell me how we make it so each match is 2 assaults 2 heavies 2 mediums and 2 scouts and this would be a credible answer. 10 gauss rifles defending is nothing when you use teamwork to take it instead of 1-2 lights rushing it.

10 Gauss is cheese. That could tear apart a whole team in just a few seconds.

[StonedVet]

And implying that it is assault not team deathmatch would mean that there should be one base to cap and you assault it not 2. From what people are typing its almost like they make agreements with the other team during gameplay saying hey we will defend you guys attack

Joseph Mallan, on 03 June 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

10 Gauss is cheese. That could tear apart a whole team in just a few seconds.

are you one of those players that stands still when shooting and takes hits face on? 10 gauss spread around a base area is not cheese ... im talking about an Area, not 1 specific spot so you take 1 alpha and its game over. Launch LRM's at the targets before they get you etc ... think in 3D terms not the 2 D "cheese" dimension

[Joseph Mallan]

Even so. 3-4 Gauss on a face will make short work of most Mechs. I've done this before, The amount of damage that can be massed is enough that you could camp in the base and let the defenses soften up your enemy, then mass fire and waste them effortlessly. Seen it done on TT, this would do it just faster. AND at ranges at 1,000m. Gauss has a great reach.

[XSerjo]

When I'm playing lights, sometimes I tell enemys: "going to cap your base, defend it please."

Does it mean that my attempt will fail? Most of the times opposite team ignores this message, they don't even type something in chat.

So instant basecapping isn't game mechanics issue, it's lack of teamwork. But PGI may decide that "silent majority" want only TDM gamemode...

[StonedVet]

Joseph Mallan, on 03 June 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Even so. 3-4 Gauss on a face will make short work of most Mechs. I've done this before, The amount of damage that can be massed is enough that you could camp in the base and let the defenses soften up your enemy, then mass fire and waste them effortlessly. Seen it done on TT, this would do it just faster. AND at ranges at 1,000m. Gauss has a great reach.

All im implying is that there be some sort of substantial defense in place that would either take 1-2 lights some time to take down so they cant base rush. So 4-5 calliope turrets, 3-4 gauss rifles in a couple point defense bunkers ( so 1-2 gauss each) and pulse lasers turrets like they used to have in MW4. Something that isn't going to ruin your day but will actually make you think about attacking the base after dealing or during dealing with the enemy team.

[BlackIronTarkus]

zraven7, on 03 June 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

No, the point of Assault is Assault. The point of Team Deathmatch, which we do not have, is Team Deathmatch. Look around a little before you post a comment that has been posted about a hundred times.

You are so hypocrite.

People play assault to fight, not to stand in a square without a single shot fired, not a single mech dead and then see a victory or lost screen after 5 minutes of watching a little colored bar shrink.

[IceSerpent]

Lowridah, on 03 June 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

And implying that it is assault not team deathmatch would mean that there should be one base to cap and you assault it not 2.

A game mode with only one contested base is called "king of the hill" and is completely different from assault.

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From what people are typing its almost like they make agreements with the other team during gameplay saying hey we will defend you guys attack

No, what people are trying to say is that this little thing called "tactics" is fairly important part of MW/BT games, and that there's more to it than just trying to get behind the enemy mech and shoot it in the butt.

[zraven7]

Lowridah, on 03 June 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Ok so we can make sure to have balanced teams .. so .... umm ... tell me how we make it so each match is 2 assaults 2 heavies 2 mediums and 2 scouts and this would be a credible answer. 10 gauss rifles defending is nothing when you use teamwork to take it instead of 1-2 lights rushing it.

To make a balanced team, make seven friends, and form a balanced team. I know, crazy, but it sometimes works.

Second, ten auto-targeting gauss would be catastrophic. If you get in range of, say, three, that's 45 points of damage to a body part. They would likely fire for center of mass. On anything but an assault or the front-side of a Cataphract, that's either an arm gone or your front armor plate missing. And that would be just the first volley.

BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

You are so hypocrite.

People play assault to fight, not to stand in a square without a single shot fired, not a single mech dead and then see a victory or lost screen after 5 minutes of watching a little colored bar shrink.

No, you don't play for that. Apparently, all the people who just did that to you do play for that. This is why you lost.

Edited by zraven7, 03 June 2013 - 07:58 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lowridah, on 03 June 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

All im implying is that there be some sort of substantial defense in place that would either take 1-2 lights some time to take down so they cant base rush. So 4-5 calliope turrets, 3-4 gauss rifles in a couple point defense bunkers ( so 1-2 gauss each) and pulse lasers turrets like they used to have in MW4. Something that isn't going to ruin your day but will actually make you think about attacking the base after dealing or during dealing with the enemy team.

Your team is suppose to be the substantial defense of the base. If you are not there, *shrug* well you just handed me the keys. Thanks!

[BlackIronTarkus]

zraven7, on 03 June 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

No, you don't play for that. Apparently, all the people who just did that to you do play for that. This is why you lost.

Some people play to troll? Maybe we should all play to troll! Lets go all flamethrower in atlas...Yay!

Explain to me why they capped then? To win? How many wins will it take for them to move on to another game because standing in a square during two minute at the beguinning of every match is so much fun for both teams!

[zraven7]

BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

Some people play to troll? Maybe we should all play to troll! Lets go all flamethrower in atlas...Yay!

Explain to me why they capped then? To win? How many wins will it take for them to move on to another game because standing in a square during two minute at the beguinning of every match is so much fun for both teams!

First of all, some of us (a lot of us) play to win. We will take the tactical option most likely to give us a win. If your team is full of 40 kph mechs who all promptly leave the base undefended, well, we know what tactical option will most ensure a win, don't we?

Second, if you flip out like I think you do when someone wins by base cap, that's a win and post-match entertainment, all for 3 minutes of work.

You don't want me to cap? Make it hard for me to cap. Simple.

[Jman5]

Wow, a lot of great replies here that correctly identify capping as a relatively easy thing to spot/counter.

When you lose to a base cap, it means your team screwed up, plain and simple. You didn't scout properly, you had poor map awareness, and you had poor positioning that overextended your force before you could account for all 8 enemies. Or you were just a lazy SOB who refuses to be a teamplayer. Even when I'm in my atlas, I do my fair share of base saves when it's viable.

What kills me is that even in PUG matches, you can essentially shut down the base cap by taking initiative yourself.

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The real issue is the vast majority of pugs don't want to actually mentally engage with the game and think about there actions. Subsequently when they don't think or care about defending the base there only reaction is "lame caps" or "you guys scared of a fight" to hide the fact they know they just got outsmarted.

Beautifully said. So many people complain that the game is simplistic or takes no thought, but when a tactic emerges that requires them to apply some critical thinking to counter, they complain that there is nothing to be done. You can't have it both ways.

Edited by Jman5, 03 June 2013 - 08:14 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sorry Black but fun for you was not in their agenda. If my job is to defeat you, I want to do it in such a manner that you know you met a superior opponent. That includes one that is able to steal your stuff right from under your nose. If you lost to a base cap in under 2 minutes You really really screwed the pooch! As in 30 seconds after you move out Betty tells you someone is on your base... and you keep moving forward Screwing.

[Galenit]

BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

Explain to me why they capped then? To win? How many wins will it take for them to move on to another game because standing in a square during two minute at the beguinning of every match is so much fun for both teams!

You play to fight.
The base cap warning tells you where your enemys are.

What is the problem?

[Whompity]

Only part I don't like is getting yelled at to return to base to stop a cap when I'm all the way on the other side of the map spotting for my team. Seriously. I'm fast, but I can't cross the whole map before you cross 25% of it...

[zraven7]

Olivia Maybach, on 03 June 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Only part I don't like is getting yelled at to return to base to stop a cap when I'm all the way on the other side of the map spotting for my team. Seriously. I'm fast, but I can't cross the whole map before you cross 25% of it...

This is the other problem, the team assuming that one light can stop a base cap, just because they can get there. The light is meant to spot what is capturing the base, and possibly to harass or engage if viable. Other mechs, like fast-mover mediums, are supposed to back up the light.

[Jman5]

Olivia Maybach, on 03 June 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Only part I don't like is getting yelled at to return to base to stop a cap when I'm all the way on the other side of the map spotting for my team. Seriously. I'm fast, but I can't cross the whole map before you cross 25% of it...

I wouldn't take it personally. When I am playing an atlas and I see the base capture warning, I pull up the player list and just look for the names of our fastest guys. The clock is ticking, I'm slamming my mech into reverse just in case no one responds. Every second counts so my priority is to make the fast guys aware that they are the go-to guys for base defense. After that, I'll double check to see if you are close enough or not.