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#501 Ngamok

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:51 AM

View PostSir Roland MXIII, on 04 June 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:


Its not even an Orion wannabe, since it lacks ballistics. Really, it's just a 5 ton lighter Catapult, end of story.

As for the ECM debate... people here make me laugh. GO ahead and say HEY we could get a heavy with ECM now. Makes me laugh, the probabilty of a ECM heavy was BETTER with the Orion - why? Because so far we've recieved ECM on one of two types of 'mech - scouts and command. Gee, wasn't the Orion noted as an excellent command mech? Didn't some guy... I forget his name now... some really famous commander... yeah that one guy: didn't he love the Orion?

Huh! Guess the apologists are grasping at straws, eh? Not that it surprises me, either, I find it as amusing as ever.



Bryan Ekman claimed he was the only one working on it. Considering how much of a pile this game is thanks to leadership decisions from before the code started being written, and continuing to present, we weren't missing out by losing this development time.


Exactly.

IMO they should have given us the popular Archer, Centurion, Trebuchet Lance configuration with an Archer instead of a Quickdraw.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:52 AM

View PostYoseful Mallad, on 05 June 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

Ok... Launch is in late August still right?


Imho it was September but...

Better a good game than a bad launch!

Edited by Thorqemada, 05 June 2013 - 06:54 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:52 AM

I was taking time to think about how I was gonna say this to the people who have issues with saras mech. I spent 16 years as an EMT and I will be buying this as it hits kinda close to home. Im the single father of a 5 year old daughter. I have also had to watch children like Sara fight every day to stay alive and iv also been there when they passed. Not all of you (either for or against this) could possibly understand where im coming from and it really doesnt matter cause some of you will. If you dont want to buy this mech cause of whatever reason you have (its glorified pr, its an insult cause you blow it up, enter other QQ reason here) then by all means dont buy it. I do agree with the idea of who care why someone donates just as long as they do weather it be for a tropy or not. I guarenee that Saras father does not care where the money comes from or why someone did it. I can also guarentee that right now he doesnt give a damned about this game or what we think at this moment. His focus is 100% on something that no parent should ever have to do. It seems a lot of people forget this fact. The heart behind the Sara mech is for him and for her not you period. I imagine that lil girl blowing some one up and being happy she did and when she got blown up she did like the rest of us and remeber the guys name and "get em good" next time. So this crap about it being an insult to blow up is an insult in itself.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:54 AM

View PostQuintt, on 04 June 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

"press space bar to jump......wait for it....wait for it...DO THE HARLEM SHAKE!!!!!!"



thank you for disapointing us again, you have half of the biggest davion unit, HHOD, quite unhappy with this and im struggling to keep some of them from uninstalling, literaly.

I wonder what other top teams like Kaos and SJaguar will think or do.

And btw, if you listen to ppl that play an hour a day and then flood these forums with complaints, you are doing it wrong. Nevermind the teams that actually push hours a day into the game and bother to adjust after every patch. Im not relly sure PGI knows who to listen to or to ask for feedback from.

bad regards,
Quintt 7th Battalion Executive Officer
HeadHunters of Davion


I don't get how you guys can survive like this. Have you never been in a car? Have you managed to cultivate the most stable walking cycle ever conceived? Do modern movies and television cause you to pass out?

No wonder you're all so tryhard for MWO, up until now it was the only game you could play without puking on your monitor.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:56 AM

View PostBelorion, on 05 June 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

From the QQ threads about why PGI didn't test that or didn't test this... I think it is safe to assume that PGI is creating a test server to reduce forum QQ.

More testing is never a bad thing. Plus it needs to be in place for Launch, so they may as well test the testing process that will be in place to test the releases before they go live after release date.

;)


B-but, why would a beta have a live test server? :angry: Things were in place when they launched half a year ago, what you're waiting for is second breakfast. It's not a thing. You don't have a public test server, weekly sales, and facebook advertisements for a "beta". That's a launched product.

Edited by Shumabot, 05 June 2013 - 05:58 AM.


#506 Ngamok

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:13 AM

View PostRG Notch, on 04 June 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

My guess is the issue was with the hero variant. My guess is we get a Heavy Metal type deal where they sell the Hero for 2 weeks before the C bill version is available. Check out how much demand there is for the Orion, compared to the meh for the Quickdraw.


Good call on this one. That would indeed be a technical difficulty. Because I would totally buy a Hero Orion 2 weeks prior to the regular ones just like I did the Highlander.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:15 AM

Thanks for keeping us up to date Bryan! I am very curious to see how Sarah's mech is handled. Cheers!

#508 Ngamok

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:17 AM

View Postmania3c, on 04 June 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:


Yea..I don't listen NGNG podcast so it's pretty probable they were announcing it here in some form.. so in this case..it seems this was pretty late call.. so where is the problem?

I am sure people who are whining now would be whining 2 weeks earlier...


TBH, i tried catapult as close range brawler/skirmisher if you want.. but unless I was splatcat, i had very little luck with it.. I think main reason is shape/layout, huge cockpit, center torso, vulnerable and big weapon carriers and missing arms are pretty big for me in close range combat.... well..I feel much better in long range combat with catapult I have to say..

So in this case.. Quicksilver provides me something what i wanted to play..but just the mech wasn't best pick for that role.. If it will good enough, we will see..but it looks promising.


They should have released the Archer instead of the Quickdraw then if you wanted a missile / laser mech much like the Catapult and is more Iconic because it is a well known popular lance.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:20 AM

View PostThontor, on 05 June 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

I don't think they ever said launch was in late August. Late summer, yes... September 21st is the "deadline"
yeah Ieant September. But at this rate, they are still cutting it close don't you think?

#510 Ngamok

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:23 AM

View PostYoseful Mallad, on 05 June 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

Ok... Launch is in late August still right? I mean that wasn't pushed back right?


Launch is September.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:27 AM

View PostViper69, on 05 June 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

I am sorry friend I have read and comprehended, Its not me who has lied its PGI in the fact they have lied from jump street about 3PV and coolant flushing. So get off your own high horse pointing out everyone's faults but PGIs.

I have pointed out errors by PGI numerous times in the past, thank you very much. How does that change my and other`s perception that this particular community has an unrivaled talent for blowing a mouse dropping into the Mount Everest if poo and complaining about Mount Everest instead of reality? Exactly, it doesn`t.

Furthermore, what does that change about the main body of my post, it`s truth content, and the (subjective but apparently widespread) observation that the same people that QQed during closed Beta are the same people qqing once every 2 weeks today, despite that they said they were gone almost 12 months ago? Correct, absolutely nothing. It does display a significant level of denial, though. Denial that one may be overreacting to every mouse fart as if it were Hurricane Katrina, and denial that the vocal minority is for the most part complrised of the exact same self-deceiving bullshitters it was in June 2012.

Willful ignorance and blind inflation of obvious facts does not change their validity OR value, reality > perception every time.

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Nobody likes a blind follower my friend(except your government), take the blinders off.

And a hearttfelt "**** off and die" to you, too, "bro". My intense RL political activism would prove you vastly wrong and misinforrmed, but is none of your business either way (How many marches and protests have you personally organized this year? I assume its less that 34, and didn`t fall on workdays when and if?). Your wholly uninformed ad Hominem statement however disqualifies your opinion from me taking you seriously in the future, despite previous positive interaction.

Too bad, but something I wholly expected from a member of this community, and it entirely underlines my statements.. No rational arguments left? Then we move to personal attacks on unrelated themata that we have no clue about, because it`S ALWAYS better to be an ******* (it apparently "makes you cool" `round these parts)... and that`s exactly what your post is good for, wiping my *** with. :)

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They lied, you, me and everyone who watched their promo video along with early closed beta Faqs that said specifically "Coolant flush, 3PV go against our design pillars". Go ahead and tell me who is lying again my friend, I dare you.


You attempt to misdirect attention so as to make what's ok for yourself and others here not ok for other humans. You`re trying to say It`s ok for US to flame, PUBLICALLY DEFAME (I`ve seen the Facebook and twitter accounts of numerous players here, and honestly believe PGI must have a huge heart not to ban them for ToS violations and /or sue for outright slander and libel, and other companies have SUCCESSFULLY done), and lie to PGI about our ingame experience, blowing every detail out of proportion and stating thingds as fact that even a casual observer knows are not true (8vs 12 matches was a fun one 2 weeks ago, for example) but it`s not ok for PGI, a COMPANY (note that I did not say "Charity"), to make sound business decisions regardless of what that facetious and obviously dishonest vocal Minority thinks?? So it`S ok for the pot to call the kettle black, but not the other way around?

How detached from reality does one have to be to believe that? 0.o

In 15+ years of game development, I have seen exactly ONE game come out exactly as was planned, the steaming heap of **** that was John Romero`s Daikatana.

95%+ of the MP games that have been released post 2000 AND successful were successful BECAUSE the listened to what the majority of the community as a whole (and not the violently vocal forum minority) wanted. To do otherwise is to set oneself up for guaranteed failure, which is exactly what JR did.
In most games, subscription, f2p, or otherwise, for every rageQQ post on the forums, between 2 and 5 NEW accounts are created. To deny that is to deny reality.

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Also you and many others need to do some research on Smedley from SWG and draw some parallels. I swear we have our own Smedley brewing right here.


I experienced it first hand, this is not even remotely the same IMO.

/participation
/print thread
/wipe ***

TLDR: Don`t like "where the game is headed" and are 100% convinced it will never be good no matter what?

Then vote with your ******* wallet and **** of here, find something more constructive to do with your time than ******* in the wheaties of the people that DO still care about this game and DO still see a chance.

Everything else is lying to yourself (for ex. the "hundreds of people" that said they would quit if coolant were ever introduced in any way, but are still seen posting here and playing the game regularly), or learn what every preeschooler knows: that admitting fault is not shameful, but one of the few TRUE signs of maturity and intelligence.

PGI has admitted they were wrong multiple times by changing direction and implementing features that almost 2 years ago were not on the drawing board. Much unlike a few hundred forum members that see that as a sign of years of intentional deceit, personal weakness, and therefore grounds for burning the house down every 2 weeks. They just refuse to understand that it was never their house to burn in the first place ;)

Edited by Zerberus, 05 June 2013 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:35 AM

View PostBryan Ekman, on 04 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:


New Content:
  • `Mech of the Month - Quickdraw (18th)
I'm very dissapoint

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:40 AM

View PostNgamok, on 05 June 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:


They should have released the Archer instead of the Quickdraw then if you wanted a missile / laser mech much like the Catapult and is more Iconic because it is a well known popular lance.

Archer is an unseen, though.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:42 AM

View PostZerberus, on 05 June 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

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Point taken my friend

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:43 AM

View PostSgtMaster, on 05 June 2013 - 04:12 AM, said:


Alienate long term fans..?
Find more new 10 year old players..?


Really? You are assuming long term fans all love poptarting and the poptarting metagame and that by removing this from the game it will attract more '10' year old players, by which i assume you mean immature players? There are probably more immature players behind poptarts then there are immature players who actually play the game as intended..

..and on the subject of realism, do you want to take a gauss to your arm for it to be blown off in one shot? Are mechs anywhere near realism? What is more important, realism or BALANCE?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:44 AM

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I have pointed out errors by PGI numerous times in the past, thank you very much. How does that change my and other`s perception that this particular community has an unrivaled talent for blowing a mouse dropping into the Mount Everest if poo and complaining about Mount Everest instead of reality? Exactly, it doesn`t.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume this is the first videogame forum community you have ever actively participated in. Aside from the bewildering amount of sycophantism this community is actually pretty normal for this form of media. If anything it skews far more positive than similar communities, the starcraft LoL or WoW communities are 24/7 warzones where people are beheaded on youtube.

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You attempt to misdirect attention so as to make what's ok for yourself and others here not ok for other humans. You`re trying to say It`s ok for US to flame, PUBLICALLY DEFAME (I`ve seen the Facebook and twitter accounts of numerous players here, and honestly believe PGI must have a huge heart not to ban them for ToS violations and /or sue for outright slander and libel, and other companies have SUCCESSFULLY done), and lie to PGI about our ingame experience, blowing every detail out of proportion and stating thingds as fact that even a casual observer knows are not true (8vs 12 matches was a fun one 2 weeks ago, for example) but it`s not ok for PGI, a COMPANY (note that I did not say "Charity"), to make sound business decisions regardless of what that facetious and obviously dishonest vocal Minority thinks?? So it`S ok for the pot to call the kettle black, but not the other way around?


If you could show me even a single case of a videogame company suing an end user for slander or libel based on what they say on facebook or twitter I'd be impressed.

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95%+ of the MP games that have been released post 2000 AND successful were successful BECAUSE the listened to what the majority of the community as a whole (and not the violently vocal forum minority) wanted. To do otherwise is to set oneself up for guaranteed failure, which is exactly what JR did.
In most games, subscription, f2p, or otherwise, for every rageQQ post on the forums, between 2 and 5 NEW accounts are created. To deny that is to deny reality.


Considering the vast majority of games after 2000 were released in final status and didn't have a community to listen to I'm not so sure that ones true either.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:49 AM

View PostAdridos, on 05 June 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Archer is an unseen, though.


OMG you are right. This kinda of throws out the fire support lance out the window. Kind of dumb as it was used in an actual lance configuration with two other mechs we already have.

Edited by Ngamok, 05 June 2013 - 06:51 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:53 AM

View PostNgamok, on 05 June 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:


OMG you are right. This kinda of throws out the fire support lance out the window. Kind of dumb as it was used in an actual lance configuration with two other mechs we already have.


Isn't it also totally redundant next to the catapault?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:54 AM

I have a question. There is a new splash page but the actual front news pages doesn't look like it's being updated. There is no mention of the Victor, Quickdraw or even this June Developer Update. What gives PGI?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:54 AM

I usually do not post here because the mix of aggressiveness and whine contest is not to my liking.

Still, I want to express my irritation about one thing. Communication.

I was one of those looking forward to the Orion being implemented. Now, without explanation or any word on when it will come out we get the Quickdraw instead.
I understand designing a game can be unpredictable. Time-tables are more wishful thinking than fact. Things are ready when they are ready. Ok. Fine. But why announce something then?

Do you think people will be angry and leave in droves if you do not announce a new feature each month? Guess what, they are angry now.

Do not get me wrong. I am not irritated because I do not get my new toy. I am irritated because we were told we would get the new toy. And we don´t.

So either don´t make promises or keep them. Making them and not keeping them will automatically result in the default "they just wantz me moneyz!" reaction of players.

This looses the company quite some credibility. I am not feebly threatening PGI with a rage-quit, but if their marketing department is worth its salt then it will most likely know how much credibility is worth in terms of $ and €. Especially in such a contested market as onlinhe-shooters.

Please rethink your announcement policies. It would save quite some digital ink.





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