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[Ngamok]

Shumabot, on 05 June 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Isn't it also totally redundant next to the catapault?

So is the Quickdraw but it didn't stop them. Instead of an ostrich support mech, it's a humanoid support mech.

[Butane9000]

Molossian Dog, on 05 June 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

I usually do not post here because the mix of aggressiveness and whine contest is not to my liking.

Still, I want to express my irritation about one thing. Communication.

I was one of those looking forward to the Orion being implemented. Now, without explanation or any word on when it will come out we get the Quickdraw instead.
I understand designing a game can be unpredictable. Time-tables are more wishful thinking than fact. Things are ready when they are ready. Ok. Fine. But why announce something then?

Do you think people will be angry and leave in droves if you do not announce a new feature each month? Guess what, they are angry now.

Do not get me wrong. I am not irritated because I do not get my new toy. I am irritated because we were told we would get the new toy. And we don´t.

So either don´t make promises or keep them. Making them and not keeping them will automatically result in the default "they just wantz me moneyz!" reaction of players.

This looses the company quite some credibility. I am not feebly threatening PGI with a rage-quit, but if their marketing department is worth its salt then it will most likely know how much credibility is worth in terms of $ and €. Especially in such a contested market as onlinhe-shooters.

Please rethink your announcement policies. It would save quite some digital ink.

Well actually they never said the Orion was releasing in June. All they said was they we're pushing back the Flea to the end of the cycle due to tech limitations (have not implemented MASC yet). So we naturally assumed it would go Blackjack -> Orion -> Victor. However we based that only on what we knew were announced. I don't think I ever saw PGI come out and say the Orion would definitely be a June release.

[Shumabot]

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Well actually they never said the Orion was releasing in June. All they said was they we're pushing back the Flea to the end of the cycle due to tech limitations (have not implemented MASC yet). So we naturally assumed it would go Blackjack -> Orion -> Victor. However we based that only on what we knew were announced. I don't think I ever saw PGI come out and say the Orion would definitely be a June release.

They don't have to say it, trust isn't built on technicalities it's built on implications and trends. That so many people thought the Orion was coming out and feel that PGI betrayed some level of trust means, explicitly, that PGI did. You can defend PGI was technicalities and dictionary definitions for the individual words they used, but then look at what you're doing. PGI was quite happy to have people think one thing and now they're quite happy to do another. Whether or not they ever concretely promised the Orion is irrelevant so long as people feel let down.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Butane9000, on 05 June 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Well actually they never said the Orion was releasing in June. All they said was they we're pushing back the Flea to the end of the cycle due to tech limitations (have not implemented MASC yet). So we naturally assumed it would go Blackjack -> Orion -> Victor. However we based that only on what we knew were announced. I don't think I ever saw PGI come out and say the Orion would definitely be a June release.

It was a pretty sound assumption though, how were we supposed to know they were going to yank the carpet out and yell QUICKDRAW!

[MeatForBrains]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 04 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I agree, they are ignorant but not for the reasons you state. No, its been stated that 3rd person would be an option and that if you so chose to not fight against those wo used it, you would have that option. Of course days like today, announcements like this one, make that seem as concrete as pure water - still, that's one thing people SHOULD be aware of and keep in mind, but don't.

3rd person is bad for several reasons, the two main ones being:

1. Fracturing an already small player population
2. Breaking the simulation of mech play.

[WarHippy]

Stone Profit, on 04 June 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

Im gonna laugh my *** off at all these ***** who whine about all this crap and act like pgi has done them wrong. PGI owes you NOTHING except a game. Not communication, not a certain order of mechs, NOTHING BUT A GAME. And a game you have. And you still cry like little ******* and continue to play. So ******* funny.

It is true they owe us nothing in fact they don't even owe us a game. That being said we as customers don't owe them anything either. If they want our money and our respect they need to earn it, and that is done by following through with things they say and communicating why when they can't. Good business practice would be to not leave their customers in the dark when a change is made.

They shoot themselves in the foot a lot on these forums because they come up with an idea or a change that they think everyone will fawn over and implement it without at least putting it to the community for a litmus test. I know exactly what was going through their head when they were writing the director update. They were sitting there thinking this was going to be awesome and everyone was going to be shocked and amazed when they reveal they are releasing a mech that was never announced, and people would have been had it been alongside a mech that everyone was expecting. Instead they ditched what was expected and opted for something nobody was aware of.

[Mr Blonde]

MeatForBrains, on 05 June 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

3rd person is bad for several reasons, the two main ones being:

1. Fracturing an already small player population
2. Breaking the simulation of mech play.

This sums it up nicely. I tend to get angry about this issue and don't keep the posts short and to the point. That's why even if it doesn't kill the game, it still kills the spirit of the game.

[Joe Mallad]

Actually the Orion had to be intended to be released this month. Otherwise don't you think Bryan would have said it was never intended to be released in June? No he said the Orion was PUSHED back a cycle (3 to 4) months which to me sure sounds like it was intended to be released this month.

[Inkarnus]

WarHippy, on 04 June 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Well that is a kick in the nuts. In all of the threads where people talked about what mechs they wanted to see I'm not sure I ever saw the Quickdraw mentioned, but the Orion was very much desired. This is a low blow with no warning given at all. No announcement and no art yet it gets to jump the line. I have some words for you, but I rather not get banned.

because of that they switched it i bet since well who wants a Quickdrawnot so much ppl who wants ORION *ppl fanboish screaming*so its just naturally of a marketing pov to delay it since orion will sell wich quickdraw i doubt it

[Iqfish]

Seriously? I don't know in what groups you guys play, but the screen shake saved the game for me, and I know at least 25 other people that would instantly agree.
You can't tell me that they are all wrong. The Jumpsniping couldn't been fixed any other way and I LOVE to see Highlanders WALKING towards me. JJ's are not made for Poptarting but for advanced three dimensional mech movement, like getting up to hills. The Poptarting was an abused bug to me and im REALLY happy to be abled to brawl again.

Speaking of brawl: The SRM Adjustments and JJ Adjustments made brawling possible and fun again, you can still hit targets while jumpjetting up to 400m really well, and the SRM flight path has never been better.

The overall weapon balance is great, the patch is great and im very excited about the Quickdraw.

tl;dr:

I love the patch!
quit crying.

Edited by IqfishLP, 05 June 2013 - 07:33 AM.

[Butane9000]

Shumabot, on 05 June 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

They don't have to say it, trust isn't built on technicalities it's built on implications and trends. That so many people thought the Orion was coming out and feel that PGI betrayed some level of trust means, explicitly, that PGI did. You can defend PGI was technicalities and dictionary definitions for the individual words they used, but then look at what you're doing. PGI was quite happy to have people think one thing and now they're quite happy to do another. Whether or not they ever concretely promised the Orion is irrelevant so long as people feel let down.

No I am not defending PGI. I want the Orion just as much as everyone else. But the player base got the idea that the Orion was coming out soon was because of lack of information and assumption. PGI is at fault for not properly informing us that the Quickdraw was announced or being worked on. If we had known that we'd probably be less surprised and upset.

Also I don't think PGI was "happy" about anything. I just don't think they necessarily put much thought into how they talk with their community about these things. Which is why over the last few months there has been a large backlash against them as important details are announced (with mostly wrong info). It's precisely because PGI has adopted a blackout on any serious information being released.

[Commander Kobold]

Shumabot, on 05 June 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Isn't it also totally redundant next to the catapault?

actually the archer is 5t heavier and has it's lasers in the arm instead so it would probably render the catapult redundant (but PGI has made it obvious that they don't care about that XD)

IqfishLP, on 05 June 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

Seriously? I don't know in what groups you guys play, but the screen shake saved the game for me, and I know at least 25 other people that would instantly agree.
You can't tell me that they are all wrong. The Jumpsniping couldn't been fixed any other way and I LOVE to see Highlanders WALKING towards me. JJ's are not made for Poptarting but for advanced three dimensional mech movement, like getting up to hills. The Poptarting was an abused bug to me and im REALLY happy to be abled to brawl again.

Speaking of brawl: The SRM Adjustments and JJ Adjustments made brawling possible and fun again, you can still hit targets while jumpjetting up to 400m really well, and the SRM flight path has never been better.

The overall weapon balance is great, the patch is great and im very excited about the Quickdraw.

tl;dr:

I love the patch!
quit crying.

JJ fix is a non fix you just shoot as your coming down, and SRMs are still very weak, and thanks to the tighter spread if they up the damage it'll make a whole slew of new problems now.

MeatForBrains, on 05 June 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

3rd person is bad for several reasons, the two main ones being:

1. Fracturing an already small player population
2. Breaking the simulation of mech play.

you people need to stop complaining about something that's going to be in the game in one way or another no matter how much you kick and scream.

[Prezimonto]

I won't terribly mind 3rd person... if they care to issue a free seismic sensor to everyone. Similar levels of information available to both 1st and 3rd person view then. Perhaps better with the sensor, it just takes some skill to be able, oh, glance down at your map periodically.

[On1m]

WarHippy, on 04 June 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Well that is a kick in the nuts. In all of the threads where people talked about what mechs they wanted to see I'm not sure I ever saw the Quickdraw mentioned, but the Orion was very much desired. This is a low blow with no warning given at all. No announcement and no art yet it gets to jump the line. I have some words for you, but I rather not get banned.

Agree 100%.

[Grimmnyr]

We can make our concern about 3rd person view heard, if we all drop out of any game where we are forced to play with, or against people using 3rd person view. If there really is a majority of us who don't want it, then every game would be so empty that all the 3rd person view supporters and social media people who don't play, but want 3pv to be forced on us, would either quit, or whine endlessly for PGI to fix it.

[FiveDigits]

Well guys, hold on to something.
Here it comes. Bryan's reasoning for swapping the Quickdraw in for the Orion:

I asked on Twitter:

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@bryanekman What was the reason to push back the Orion several months? Many in the community were really looking forward to it.

His response:

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@frosenberger the Quickdraw offered more to the meta game at this point, so we pushed it up a cycle.

Well, I'm a little ... dunno ... yeah ... now you know.

Edit: Source

Edited by FiveDigits, 05 June 2013 - 08:33 AM.

[Fishhawk]

For all those folks saying that PGI didn't say Orion was coming out in June ... Look at this link (I'm sure they will change it soon) http://mwomercs.com/...updated-june-5/ ... They show the Quickdraw, but for June/July they show Orion confirmed. This is the thread that they had originally listed the Orion as June 18th.

[Shumabot]

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We can make our concern about 3rd person view heard, if we all drop out of any game where we are forced to play with, or against people using 3rd person view. If there really is a majority of us who don't want it, then every game would be so empty that all the 3rd person view supporters and social media people who don't play, but want 3pv to be forced on us, would either quit, or whine endlessly for PGI to fix it.

You caved in and learned to live with consumables, you'll cave in and learn to live with third person.

FiveDigits, on 05 June 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well guys, hold on to something.
Here it comes. Bryan's reasoning for swapping the Quickdraw in for the Orion:

I asked on Twitter:


His response:



Well, I'm a little ... dunno ... yeah ... now you know.

Wherever stone profit is, he just felt a cold wind. A cold wind delivering an ice burn.

Edited by Shumabot, 05 June 2013 - 07:59 AM.

[Fishhawk]

FiveDigits, on 05 June 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Well, I'm a little ... dunno ... yeah ... now you know.

Thanks, FiveDigits, for getting that info.

Wow. Lame.

[MeatForBrains]

Omni 13, on 05 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

actually the archer is 5t heavier and has it's lasers in the arm instead so it would probably render the catapult redundant (but PGI has made it obvious that they don't care about that XD)



JJ fix is a non fix you just shoot as your coming down, and SRMs are still very weak, and thanks to the tighter spread if they up the damage it'll make a whole slew of new problems now.



you people need to stop complaining about something that's going to be in the game in one way or another no matter how much you kick and scream.

You are wrong, never give up the fight.