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[INSEkT L0GIC]

mint frog, on 16 July 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

I don't believe you.

Once the JJ shake was implemented I shelved my Spiders as well. I take it by your opinion that it only affected pop tarting that you didn't pilot any JJ dependent lights when it was implemented.

[Belorion]

Precarious, on 16 July 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Look, seriously, I don't know what is wrong with you people. Take "Double Heatsinks" as an example. Absolutely nothing about them is double. They're triple the size, and they're not double efficiency. They're not double heatsinks, yet you call them double heatsinks.

Now, there's a "multiplier" as a penalty. Well, guess what: you're saying that you will immediately overheat and die if you alpha with AC/20s. You're also saying that you will incur no penalty for alpha-firing medium lasers, because the penalty multiplier is 1. Any number multiplied by itself is itself. So, what I'm saying is you don't understand what the word "multiplier" means, in the same way you fail to understand the meaning of "double."

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Words have meaning, and you are clearly not qualified to change them.

So...

You fire 4 srm 6s your penalty is 1 (1 x 1). If you fire 6 your penalty is 3 (3 x 1)...

Is 1 not the multiplier?

[Phobic Wraith]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 16 July 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

The only mech that should be viable with AC 40 is the King Crab (with his own weaknesses like super low speed and giant hitboxes to balance for the firepower), nothing else.

The Hunchback IIC disagrees with you.

[MechFrog1]

INSEkT L0GIC, on 16 July 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

Once the JJ shake was implemented I shelved my Spiders as well. I take it by your opinion that it only affected pop tarting that you didn't pilot any JJ dependent lights when it was implemented.

If I suck at scubadiving and it made me ill, I don't demand they **** up the hobby for everyone. I just stop scuba diving and do something else.

[BlackDrakon]

God im confused now....sux to be at work....

Whats the damn multiplier then???

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Phobic Wraith, on 16 July 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

The Hunchback IIC disagrees with you.

Well, that's clan tech. God knows how they are going to balance clan mechs and clan tech in general. Right now the only IS mech that should be able to field AC 40s is the King Crab because it actually has severe disadvantages (including loooow speed, which makes getting into range difficult) that more than make up for the firepower.

[Chiun44]

The mechanic makes it harder to place all shots on the same spot on the mech. It will take more skill to be as effective, which is a plus.

There are obviously other ways to accomplish the same thing, and I like that PGI is attempting to make a change - some reticle drift while moving, or changing cycling times by available engine power immediately come to mind.

I doubt this is the best way to do it, but it is a way, and we'll see what happens to the game play as a result.

[StoneMason]

Man, wtf happened with double AC20's? Anyone had a chance to test them yet? Sarna lists the heat for an AC20 as 7, that means I should easily be able to fire both and remain close to heat neutral. A far cry from the people who are still throwing out 50-60 heat in a single shot and not instantly exploding

It's not like they were OP, you had to sacrifice so much tonnage and the range bracket is terrible...

Please refund my Jagermechs and Firebrand .

Edited by StoneMason, 16 July 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[BlackDrakon]

Streak SRM6's omg, thats going to make us all cry.

[INSEkT L0GIC]

mint frog, on 16 July 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

If I suck at scubadiving and it made me ill, I don't demand they **** up the hobby for everyone. I just stop scuba diving and do something else.

Which is what I did until they upgraded scuba technology to allow for more people to enjoy the yolo scuba lifestyle.

[Giantsaint]

So based on my testing it worked out this way!

3 ppc 60% heat, without heat multiplier, should have been 42%

or 42% divided .7 heat mulptiplier gives me 60% heat.

which is the correct outcome

[BlackDrakon]

So dual AC/20 is like 83% heat?

[Chavette]

I better hide my mechs, hide my variants, cuz they nerfin everybody out here.

[New Day]

So what's up with the pulse lasers? Let's normalize them and then nothing? Same thing with MGs and flamers and JJ shake. They start something and then they just give it up.

[Mechteric]

StoneMason, on 16 July 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Man, wtf happened with double AC20's? Anyone had a chance to test them yet?

It's not like they were OP, you had to sacrifice so much tonnage and the range bracket is terrible...

Please refund my Jagermechs and Firebrand.

actually they kinda were, because all damage to one spot is crazy damage.

from what I've read elsewhere you can still get off a couple alpha's before you'll need to start waiting a measly half a second between shots.

[Jonathan Paine]

Why the 0.5 sec delay to avoid the heat penalty is a good thing:
Target:
If you have decent reflexes, you can twist out of the way and not die in 1 shot.

Shooter:
You'll learn to aim
You'll have better heat management

Everyone:
Hopefully lead to more diverse weapon loadouts. I'm sure that dying to 2xPPC+Gauss+2xLL will be a lot more exciting than dying to 6xPPC

I'd rather have seen a change to alphastrikes in general - ie spread damage - but overall the change should make the meta less uniform.

PGI: please change heat penalties for LL to firing more than 3 at a time. Also, POST FRICKING EXAMPLES OF THE HEAT SCALE.

*ahem*

[Grimmnyr]

BlackDrakon, on 16 July 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

So dual AC/20 is like 83% heat?

Yep, AC/40 got neutered.

[Ridersofdoom]

jj shake is worst my headache change to epilepsy

[batoonik]

Heat Scale is ridiculous...

IMO each weapon should have specified amount energy to fire and we should have additional bar or indicator showing actual amount of energy accumulated in capacitor(or something like this). If we try to fire 4ppc which required e.g. 40e (10 per PPC) and our mech have only 35e max, shot will be implausible...
Of course energy will regenerate just like heat bar but form 0 to e.g. 100...
Every weapon should have their own amount of energy to fire.

This is simple idea based on book where is clearly said that reactor cannot create as much enegry as needed to fire weapon and required to gather enegry for shot

Sorry for my horrible english

Edited by batoonik, 16 July 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[BookWyrm]

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Man, wtf happened with double AC20's? Anyone had a chance to test them yet?

It's not like they were OP, you had to sacrifice so much tonnage and the range bracket is terrible...

Please refund my Jagermechs and Firebrand.

Most would disagree and say that the build was cheesy at best. Jagers still have a great number of viable setups too. Try 3UAC and 4ML on a JM6-S and you'll see it's still fairly easy to pump out damage, just not to slap the 'I Win' button and instant destroy a component.

Edited by BookWyrm, 16 July 2013 - 11:43 AM.