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[Heffay]

Nekki Basara, on 04 October 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

What if the "conspiracy" is that this is a short-term cashgrab and they don't plan for long-term viability? Doesn't that seem like a position lacking internal contradictions?

No need to put conspiracy in quotes. That's a full blown conspiracy theory right there.

"I can pull out a little cash and shut down an entire studio while simultaneously destroying any future business I may get all while facing the very real potential of significant civil and possibly criminal liabilities (depending on the contracts with IGP and the license holders), OR I can continue to make FAR more money by continuing to develop this game."

/insert tinfoil hat image again

[RG Notch]

Wintersdark, on 04 October 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

*shrugs* I suspected this at the beginning (see: my comments early in the thread), but with that said I'm happier they did it this way.

You seem to be saying this disparagingly, but that's the wrong approach as a customer. This way is win-win; we get Cool Toys For Free, they get happy bragging rights. Everyone wins. If they'd set "Real Goals" and shared them; it would be entirely possible they could either set them too low (everyone mocks how low they are, they're achieved too early uselessly) or set them too high resulting in "omg look at how poor sales are" and sadness at people not getting the goal rewards. It's not like you can do anything beyond buying the pack yourself, so people's contributions to it are limited.

In the end, though, just be happy we get cool stuff and everyone wins.

Mind you, it could well have been legit too - we have no way to really know. I do know that I held off on picking up the saber pack till just before it clicked over to "met the goal", hell, mine may well have been the final purchase that did it. I was really torn about getting it - new baby, so funds are tight, and as awesome as the Wolvy and Griffy are, I already had the Overlord pack... but I really wanted those flame patterns

So you like being manipulated? You are a fan of the company using smoke and mirrors to show how well they are doing? I disparage anything that reeks of well lies. If they put up a number and hit it, that would show that the game is going according to their plans. If they didn't hit it, that would show they need to do something. Faking it just shows they can do marketing.

Hardly a win win. Sure I get a pattern for free but they can now act like everything is fine, even if it's not. Knights in White are touted how the fact that they never give in on any of their decisions, no matter how ill advised they appear ( or how pro reviewers complain about them) shows they don't have to care about the community. This just gives them more fuel to say tell the forums to go **** themselves, they are still making money.
Real numbers could have shown they were right, but since they didn't its fair to conclude the numbers aren't right. Of course again if this isn't true, PGI has all the numbers and could tell us. They never do, so once again fair to conclude things aren't going well. Just check the player counter....oh wait removed. So basically things are going so great that PGI has to hide their numbers. That makes sense. Lots of successful F2Ps don't have a player counter or brag about concurrent players... what's that you say, the successful ones do. Hmm what does that say again about how well things are going?
Well they haven't gone back on their decisions so it must be good numbers or ego. They never share any relevant numbers. Don't give me player retention up claim that was 1 WEEK after 3pv or the tutorial added. Don't give me how many registrations. Give me a player counter or concurrent players or I will continue to believe those numbers aren't in your favor. No one hides good numbers.
I'm sure all the meh reviews are going to draw in tons of the casuals they desire.

[Heffay]

RG Notch, on 04 October 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

So you like being manipulated?

If you enjoy the game, you're just being manipulated. Your feelings are not your own. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

What would keep them from putting up fake numbers? You know, like Star Citizen does when they claim to have pulled in $20M. That number is clearly faked....

Edited by Heffay, 04 October 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[Nekki Basara]

Heffay, on 04 October 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

No need to put conspiracy in quotes. That's a full blown conspiracy theory right there.

"I can pull out a little cash and shut down an entire studio while simultaneously destroying any future business I may get all while facing the very real potential of significant civil and possibly criminal liabilities (depending on the contracts with IGP and the license holders), OR I can continue to make FAR more money by continuing to develop this game."

/insert tinfoil hat image again

I don't know what you define as "a little" but from the rumoured numbers of Phoenix packs after the rather large amount of Founders sold I'd be set for life a few times over on the money this game has raked in. And yes, this is exactly how the computer game industry works. Short term windfall over long-term trickle every time. What makes you think the Palindrome combination is any different?

[Heffay]

Nekki Basara, on 04 October 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

from the rumoured numbers of Phoenix packs

$5M from Founders packs... what was their labor and operating costs during the past 2 years for a company with 50 people?

Edited by Heffay, 04 October 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Alpha087]

Don't feed the Goontrolls people.

[Nekki Basara]

^^^^
ETA: but Heffay is fun to feed!

Either way less than that and Phoenix is just a greedy cash grab or way more than that and Phoenix is a desperate cash grab.

OH SNAP! See how those black and white logic traps you try to setup are silly?

Edited by Nekki Basara, 04 October 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Alpha087]

Too bad this isn't EVE or people might actually care about your opinion.

Meanwhile the rest of us will be enjoying our Phoenix 'mechs in 11 days.

[Heffay]

Nekki Basara, on 04 October 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Either way less than that and Phoenix is just a greedy cash grab or way more than that and Phoenix is a desperate cash grab.

See, you hitched your wagon to the wrong star, and the only way you and RG Notch can have any legitimacy in the future is to be right on this particular issue. So you continue to defend the conspiracy theory long past any reasonable point in order to avoid having to eat crow. Therefore, you continue to talk about the imminent death of MWO, riding the point into the smoking crater that it has become.

Keep it up though. You may be right! It's only your legitimacy at stake, and what is that *really* worth??

[Nekki Basara]

"Three to five years of slow decline" isn't exactly "imminent" but hey. Nice try implying that eating crow is legitimate though, that'll totally get us to agree with you just so we can be.... right? Possibly? What benefit is that?

Bonus pro-points for not quoting the point of the post and instead attacking the strawman, GG, close.

[stinkypuppy]

i had a good idea, how about we just leave the people who bought project phoenix alone while the others just stop being so ********* about it? those who bought phoenix got what they wanted and paid for while those who didn't are getting what the didn't pay for (nothing). just because others felt like dropping some money on a game doesn't mean the others need to complain about it. its like if some rich dude bought a 1 million dollar Lamborghini and i decided to complain all day on how he bought a car and how he is somehow getting ripped off because of it although he payed as much as he wanted for it.

yes i bought project phoenix but i bought it not because i'm getting manipulated but because i wanted to support a game that i have played for a much longer time than the other around 30-50 games that i have payed 60 dollars for. and i missed out on founders so this is a good time. i know what i'm getting for the overlord and saber that i payed for and i feel ok about it. of course i don't think its was my best purchase ever but i feel that i will get more enjoyment out of my new mechs than a bunch of the new games coming out later this year that cost 60 dollars.

[Zerberus]

Is it just me, or is this thread primarily butt-hurt have-nots trying to **** in the wheaties of those that DID buy the phoenix packs?

As if we cared what you think about how we spend our money...

All I know for a fact is that a lot of people are happy and chomping at the bit for their packs so they can stomp around and blow the naysaysers away.... Sounds like fun to me

[theta123]

How much phoenix packs were sold anyway???(just wondering, i have it all included)

[Geek Verve]

stinkypuppy, on 04 October 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

yes i bought project phoenix but i bought it not because i'm getting manipulated but because i wanted to support a game that i have played for a much longer time than the other around 30-50 games that i have payed 60 dollars for. and i missed out on founders so this is a good time. i know what i'm getting for the overlord and saber that i payed for and i feel ok about it. of course i don't think its was my best purchase ever but i feel that i will get more enjoyment out of my new mechs than a bunch of the new games coming out later this year that cost 60 dollars.

I couldn't have said it better, myself. I was happy to buy the Overlord package, because I will get *way* more than $80 value out of it - as you said, compared to the money I've dumped on all the other games I've tried. The way I see it, MWO is a fantastic game, warts and all. Cutting my nose off to spite my face by not buying something I really want, just because they haven't accommodated all of the demands of the most vocal minority just doesn't make any sense to me.

What do I know, though? I'm just a n00b.

[Son of the Flood]

Perhaps I'm late to the punch here (wouldn't be the first time), but looks like we've hit the third tier unlock for the phoenix package. Enjoy your flame pattern for those who have bought the package! http://mwomercs.com/phoenix ........Just scanned back a page or two, old news at this point, oh well. Looking forward to 10/15.

Edited by Son of the Flood, 04 October 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[Gregory Owen]

all i hear in this thread is " but.. but.. but.. mummy I want it now!!"

[Heffay]

Gregory Owen, on 04 October 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

all i hear in this thread is " but.. but.. but.. mummy I want it now!!"

Acceptable alternate options are a time machine or cryogenic freezing.

[Steadfast]

I might not be happy with PGI's overall direction with this game, might not be happy with the balancing, am not happy with the communication thus far and most certainly will not forget the 3rd person {Scrap} they pulled. Even though sometimes PGI hits the spot and actually communicates -wich I like - more often in the last three months than before.
Anyways, I bought the pack on day one, because ike them old mechs, I grew up with them and overall I more like the game than I hate it.
Back "than" there where no stretch goals so to say, it was an added bonus wich I was fairly sure we'll get anyways, regardless of actual sales. So, I do not care if there where actuall numbers behind it or if they said, "Okeee, every day 2% starting now, screw the sales numbers!" I am quite certain that sales arent that high as the counter did suggest, but heck, who am I? If it represents actual sales, so much the better imo, strong sales - healthy pgi - long time playing (I still hope that CW will come out, allthough it is so darn wage all still... sigh... well, hnope dies last). Allthough it frustrates me a bit that the trickle of communication, telling their longest supporters and sometimes ardent defenders that "most of the time they are just the vocal minority" and some of the changes are with high sales actually proving PGI right with all most of their decisions... ah, that spirales down, no no, the world is beauti- and colorfull!
That was close! Back on track.

So all in all, I am happy.
Now, see you later all, cheers
Daniel

[stinkypuppy]

i'm going to post something now that's not me rambling on like a few posts above.

defiantly cant wait for the 15th. cant wait to destroy some mechs in my battlemaster. i cant wait to get the paints and the pattern as i have never spent MC on cosmetics paints/patterns but now i'm looking forward to customizing my mechs with these paints. i wonder how weird some mechs would look being covered in the phoenix orange/red as its usually used as a detailing paint. i'm looking forward too the the thunderbolt too as it seems like one of the less talked about and under rated mechs out of the bunch.

also i think when the packs arrive i will play the locust first then shadow hawk then thunderbolt then battlemaster just so i don't play battlemaster first and be underwhelmed by the others so basically go from weakest to strongest.

EDIT: here a nice little generic timer for you guys. the timer is dependent on what the ULR says so don't change anything in it. also made it in phoenix colours just because a can

link broke

Edited by stinkypuppy, 05 October 2013 - 05:29 PM.

[Zerberus]

Gregory Owen, on 04 October 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

all i hear in this thread is " but.. but.. but.. mummy I want it now!!"

I hear more: "I can`t /won`t pay for it, so I`m going to do my best to spoil it for those who can /will, because I`m a spiteful little dillhole who`s only self-affirmation is when people get visibly annoyed by me"

Just as childish, but with a different motive

Edited by Zerberus, 04 October 2013 - 11:09 AM.