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[Zakie Chan]

12man 1pv exclusive, 4man give us option to play 1pv only.


P.S. Since this is the 'new' 3pv debate/response thread I will share some of von Pilsner's work.

Props to GalaxyBluestar for the archiving. I simply reformatted and hosted into forum friendly version.

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^^ Looks like a mod 'spoiled' me

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[Belyn]

It's an offer, anyway, but does nothing for folks like me who play mostly PuG or small groups (and voting 'Yes' guarantees I'm stuck with 3pv folks).

There's no good vote option here, is there? "Yes" means mixed queues always for <12. "No" I'm sure will be interpreted as "no, we want 3pv in 12 man, too!"

Surely there could be some option to enable the 1pv-only queue for the rest of the game, too?

[ShadowSpirit]

Voted no because this thread is bunk and a diversion. Organized 12 vs 12 makes up such a small percentage of matches it's laughable.

It's like ... a drop in the gallon bucket .... seems like PGI is saying, "Let them eat cake."

Edited by ShadowSpirit, 28 August 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[Tiger 6]

Problem solved for me, I'm more worried about the quality of the people on my team in a Pug match than the drone - its only when I face the 'usual suspects' in 12 player mode that I have to worry about teams full of PPC/Gauss boating jump snipers that can get the full benefit of 3PV

[soarra]

If you have as many players as you say, you should have separate queues for all. All this does is force us to run 12 man drops to avoid the craptastic 3pv exploiting.. Great job PGI. Add this to the greed of the new phoenix addition..

Edited by Niko Snow, 28 August 2013 - 12:07 PM.
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[EvilCow]

Allowing various sizes (4vs4, 6vs6....12vs12) in the 12 men queue would be a great way to fix the problem entirely. Weight restrictions on top would be perfect.

Please consider this, I would feel it as an adequate answer to community concerns.

[mooky]

Hey Bryan,

You ever try forming a 12-man group in organized play?

It is NOT an easy feat to accomplish. And then most 12-man have defacto honour rules to play 1PV anyways already.

Seems more of a placation then an actual solution. Not amused by the bait and switch.


EDIT: I voted "yes" because on the surface the question is fine, but I resent the implication below in Bryan's statement that ONLY 12-man queues will be 1PV

Edited by mooky, 28 August 2013 - 12:23 PM.

[Heffay]

EvilCow, on 28 August 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Yes but 12vs12 is almost empty now

That ain't right.

[Ozric]

Yes of course 12vs12 should 1pv only.

But the olive branch is noted and appreciated.

[Screech]

Voted no. You already stated that eventually 12 man are going to be placed back into the regular matchmaking queue once weight limits are instituted.

Are those plans now changed?

On a plus side, it is the best community outreach I have seen from PGI since they dropped the 3PV and ran. Keep trying to build upon that which you have broken, it will get better.

[Heffay]

HAHAHAH! Oh man, you guys are just toying with your food now.

http://mwomercs.com/phoenix

Hints of hardcore mode and 2 new Project Phoenix mechs that will only be released if you get the regular Phoenix package?

[Homeless Bill]

Thanks for finally giving us some indication that you care. As much as it's not ideal and won't please some people, it addresses my concerns. Random PUG matches are a joke, and anyone that takes them seriously bewilders me.

3PV has no place in competitive play, limiting the 12-man queue to 1PV would fix that for the most part, so I'd be good with this. Thanks <3

It doesn't address the advantage in PUG matches, but you've got far more pressing balance issues in the random queue right now than 3PV. Either way, I'm glad that you're considering this.

[Franchi]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

NO

I'm not even going to vote in your poll. It does not deserve a vote.

You yourself have said that community polls are meaningless.

Or was that just your position at the time?

12v12 matches are RARE, heck even 8v8 matches back in the day were RARE. Putting together a team of A-list players driving the proper meta approved set of A-list mechs and keeping them in the group and online is a massive pain.

I am going to continue to fight this forum war, and I will not stop even if we win (unlikely) because even if we DO win you will "change your position" at some point down the road and go with what you wanted all along.

I have ZERO faith in you personally or PGI/IGP as a whole, you lie, you mislead, you change your opinion at the drop of a hat.

If the addition of 3pv has increased your player retention so much (as you claimed) how about you give us the split ques you promised. Oh that's right because that CDU was complete and utter hogwash and EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Please enlighten me as to why I should vote or why I should give you more money?

Edited by Franchi, 28 August 2013 - 12:12 PM.

[Airborne Thunder]

[RG Notch]

Caviel, on 28 August 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I think Bryan's original post made it fairly clear:

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

12 pilot groups would be 1PV, 1-4 pilot groups would allow a mix.



Which is why I propose that everyone opposed to 3PV to go out of their way to only drop in 12 pilot groups. If enough people start doing 12 pilot drops just to get away from 3PV...

Added bonus, more diversity in 12 pilot groups!

It'd be nice if Bryan could deign to perhaps if it's not too much to ask please post some clarification. Because if this is the way it's supposed to be than if you want there to be mixed queues you should vote no correct?
I think they designed this poll so that if the majority is Yes they can say ok no mixed queues because the players voted on it and said they only want it in 12 man play and if the majority is NO, then they can say no one wants 1PV only.
Am I reading it wrong? Only PGI can answer, but I think we've got our dev post for the day, look communication is improving we don't even usually get 1. Woot improved communication!

[Tice Daurus]

Once again, I wanted separate queues of a 1PV only, 1PV/3PV, and 3PV only. You promised us this.

However, if this is what is needed to fix the problem and this is the ONLY way to fix the problem, then I would agree that this is indeed a step in the right direction toward fixing the problem.

However, I still cannot trust PGI to do the right thing and there are many other things that are missing from the game that was promised that WOULD be in the game when we reached a full launch date. I'm sorry, but PGI has betrayed the integrity of this community, and I have lost full confidence in PGI to do the right thing anymore.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Edited by Tice Daurus, 28 August 2013 - 12:13 PM.

[Capfailboat]

Not many votes....Where are the multitudes of anti-3PV-doomsayers. Did you quit?

[FactorlanP]

My yes vote was also under the assumption that...

THIS DOES NOT GIVE MY AGREEMENT TO BUFF 3PV IN PUG MATCHES.

You guys still need to work on 3PV to eliminate the "peeking" advantages as much as possible.

[zorak ramone]

I voted yes, but that doesn't mean I think that ONLY 12v12 premades should get 1PV only, and it doesn't mean that if this is implemented, I'll suddenly start playing again and spending money on MC.

The only thing that gets me, and others like me (more on that in a moment), playing again is 1PV only or 1PV only queues.

I come from a team that played extensively in the NBT/UTS 1PV-NR leagues. We also only played on 1PV/NR servers. There aren't a whole lot of us left and we're not really competitive anymore. We usually have 2-4 guys online at a time if we're grouped. There's no way we could get 12 on at a time. We all only tolerate 1PV-NR, so this mode doesn't work for us.

Even if my group could regularly get 12 on at a time, this wouldn't work for me personally. I'm married, have a kid, and am not in school anymore. I don't have alot of game time available, and most of the time I have available doesn't line up with the other guys in my team, so 90-95% of the time, I'm pugging. I will only playe 1PV-NR, so this solution doesn't work for me personally.

This game was at its best back in the spring, before the first SRM nerf and before ghost heat. I was so confident and happy with the game, I finally spent money to get MC and bought me an Ilya and several mech bays. I recommending the game actively to other people. Now, I have no optimism about the game or your vision for it.

I'm sure there are many others in my situation (former MW4 1PV-NR players), and I'm (we're?) not coming back until 1PV only queues exist.

[Armando]

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^^^^^^^^I think the forum ate this. ^^^^^^ I am SURE it was a mistake and that PGI is happy to let the player base see how PGI got to this point with 3PV, and a demonstration of just how little the affect 3PV has on the game is something they want EVERYONE to see.

Edited by miSs, 28 August 2013 - 12:22 PM.
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