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[Jack Gallows]

Morang, on 28 August 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Or they will pick this poll and say that people are content with 1PV-only gameplay being limited to 12 vs 12 because that's how the poll is formulated. And praise themselves for taking the wishes of community into account.

I'm shocked! You mean they might be intentionally asking pointed questions to get their own desired results?

Next you'll be telling me Ask The Dev's runs completely like they say it does! Surely they don't cherry pick questions while ignoring which ones get the most votes. I don't know if I could stand that!

[xxREVxx]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Did not vote.

Dude, it's not a fix. Do you guys even play the game? It's not that easy to get a 12v12 going.

[Savageson]

I'll be real honest I got directed here by the email I received from Reppu about my founders refund. Now I asked for it stating miss deadlines, departure from advertised core game play mechanics and Russ admitting to lying to the community.

Is this the best they could come up with on why they should keep the money? I can understand not getting a refund but to direct me to this? My merc corp threw in the towel a long time ago. I don't have a ground of 12 people to drop with any more. I had one when the game was close to the core values. We use to have 30 or so people hanging around and at least 14 pretty active people. The changes to the game killed that. I don't want to put additional effort into finding people I like just so I can play in first person only again. The whole reply to the email was pretty lame.

I filed with the FTC(Federal Trade Commission) and I'll see what that gets me. Any one else who is extremely unhappy should do the same. Honestly it does not take that much time, list your reasons, look up PGI's address and bussiness email here at http://piranhagames.com/

Then just call it a day. By the way the major reason they refuted my refund was over third person. I'm pretty sure I got the stock email they are sending to people asking for a refund and not real customer service. They also said I was going to talk to billing and instead got another email back from the same Gamemaster who first replied.

Yes, I am that unhappy with this project. Remember it does not take much more time then reading this to file with the FTC here. https://www.ftccompl...px?Lang=en#last

[Trev Firestorm]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but those are the facts. People want a way to play this game 1PV only. It looks like PGI is listening to their core players, and providing that option for them. And from the way the voting is going, over 90% of the people agree with this option.

Those are the facts. Did I get something wrong?

You got a LOT wrong. First as others have quoted the PGI timeline of lies. Within this thread/poll as well there is no poll option for solo/small group 1pv only queue as well, thus the poll is invalid.

[Oriius]

It is interesting to me that there would be a post saying third person was a success, only to see this poll. I Guess the success doesn't apply to the 12v12 side of the game?

Likewise I am still confused as to why this poll has been done, given what the staff has said about us forum users and our island. Has this position changed? or was it just the position at the time?

[Ranik Selesky]

"Do you guys want 1pv mode in the single hardest mode to get a game together? Because we can do that"


It's not enough Bryan. It's making it worse actually. Please just stop, sit down and eat your crow on this issue so we can get a non-biased poll on the matter and we can actually start helping you fix this game.


We want to help you. We want to enjoy stompy robots. But each apology/dev update/poll is not actually addressing the matter honestly and is making it worse.

Edited by Ranik Selesky, 28 August 2013 - 01:52 PM.

[DeadlyNerd]

Squid von Torgar, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Guys, vote yes for crying out loud, even if you don't frequent 12 v 12s I can guarantee you that if 1PV only isn't implemented there you will have no chance of seeing it in the wider game later.

Make it a landslide in order to increase the chances. PGI are watching, make sure your voice is heard.

This is PGI's blatant attempt at forging an excuse through a "communication with the community" by presenting us with a compromise.
There is no "sparate 12v12 queues for everything" option on purpose.

[soarra]

Ranik Selesky, on 28 August 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

"Do you guys want 1pv mode in the single hardest mode to get a game together? Because we can do that"


It's not enough Bryan. It's making it worse actually. Please just stop, sit down and eat your crow on this issue so we can get a non-biased poll on the matter.

they like 3pv as we saw with garth and TB. Its not going away, this is just a huge slap in the face to the founders and CB testers

[Pezzer]

soarra, on 28 August 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

they haven't come near balancing this game since early CB, what makes you think they can do it in a few weeks4

You think...balance now is worse than balance during CB? So, are you here all week as a comedian or? Because what we have now is paradise in comparison to the LRMagedden and the 6-pack Scythe of Doom, lasers and PPCs being a joke, Gauss having 1600+ dependable range, MGs being little toy ticklers...
That was a good one, though. Made me laugh out loud, honestly.

And just in case you dont believe me...
I miss the glowy glowy armor, wish they brought something like it back

Edited by Pezzer, 28 August 2013 - 01:56 PM.

[skill gap]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

I'd vote yes but then you'll claim that I voted to remove hardcore mode. Either way we vote we still lose so I'm just not voting.

If 3pv is so successful gaining and keeping new players you can give us the game your "core audience" paid you millions of dollars for.

[Icedman]

So answering yes to this poll means we want 12v12 to be 1pv only but are fine with giving you a pass on Hardcore mode? NO, not acceptable.

- CW should be 1pv
- Hardcore should be 1pv
- 12v12 should be 1pv

Removing Hardcore totally when we were FIRST promised we would never have mixed queues unless we chose to, then being told "it's coming later" to now being removed totally is just ridiculous. It's obvious reading the command chair stuff that they don't have a care in the world about keeping their word AND they just see the forums as a "vocal minority" all the time.

This shouldn't even be a question... it shouldn't have to be polled. It should have just happened per THE OTHER POLLS ON THE SUBJECT.

[Amaris the Usurper]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

This change would give members of the core audience who are also 12 vs. 12 enthusiasts a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience. This is a step in the right direction, but I expect that a large segment of the core audience prefers the 4-player queue (or can't put together a 12-player group reliably).

Edited by Amaris the Usurper, 28 August 2013 - 01:54 PM.

[Pyrrho]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

If they implement 1PV only 12 mans, then they have kept their promise. You won't be forced to play against someone in 3PV.

No, instead many will be FORCED to play in a 12 man group to avoid the possibility of getting mixed up with 3PV players.

[Maethos]

I did vote yes, not because this solves the problem, but because i so desperately want MWO to be successful and hope its a start. I do feel bad for my vote as it may be seen by pgi that its all good and no harm no foul if it is done. to be honest if they listen now, the new question would be why now and put us in a corner with premade only(full boat 12 to boot)

Maethos

[soarra]

Pezzer, on 28 August 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

You think...balance now is worse than balance during CB? So, are you here all week as a comedian or? Because what we have now is paradise in comparison to the LRMagedden and the 6-pack Scythe of Doom, lasers and PPCs being a joke, Gauss having 1600+ dependable range, MGs being little toy ticklers....

read what i wrote there bud, then read it again, then read your comment. Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong point.
Did i say it's worse now than CB, no I SAID they haven't been able to balance this game since CB

Edited by soarra, 28 August 2013 - 01:57 PM.

[Wolfways]

I can't vote on this poll as i don't play in 12-mans.
I haven't joined a Clan yet as with the way the game is currently being handled i don't feel i can dedicate enough time to my chosen Clan, which is unfortunate as when i get into a game i play it almost 24/7.

What i do play is PUGs with my wife who has never had any interest in fps games until MWO.
She has stopped playing since 3pv was released and said she has no intention of playing while she is forced to play against 3pv players. Not that this really matters at this point as the proposed 2-team weight limits will mean we can't play together anyway
While i hate 3pv i will still play the game, but as a casual "throw away" game, until i just stop altogether.

I had such high hopes for a great MW game when i joined MWO in the closed beta, but you (PGI) seem to be constantly creating complicated fixes for problems (Heat) and now seem to want to stop people playing unless they have many friends within the game.

So, for me the option of playing in PUGs with the option of 1pv only, and the future option of playing 12-mans with 1pv only are the only options i can agree to. Otherwise, as i have said, MWO will be a "throw-away" game that had potential.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

This feels artificial.

12v12 people aren't using 3rd person so it doesn't matter.

And even if they were, they would gentlemen agree to not using it if there was a lobby.

[Pyrrho]

Also, just so we can be consistent. Heffay... this poll won't matter for every reason you have said every other poll didn't matter. It's just not sampled right.

[Heffay]

I wonder how Project Phoenix sales are doing, with the announcement of the Saber reinforcements and their plan to implement 1PV only queues?

[Sturmwind]

Exoth3rmic, on 28 August 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yes.

Why isn't it implemented this way already?

*fishcake*

Different queques were advertised, I'd like to see those implemented actually tbh. Why put placeholders even, if you aren't going to use them?!