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[Sean von Steinike]

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Because we're customers?

But apparently, not their preferred target demographic. That esteemed title belongs to morons that don't understand torso twist.

[Straften]

Edited by Straften, 28 August 2013 - 10:12 PM.

[Particle Man]

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Because we're customers?

you already paid. They've made it clear that their target demo are impulse buyers and noobs that will play for a week and quit.

Caballo, on 28 August 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

I'm proving it not investing a sigle dollar since founders program, which i never should've bought in the first place. ¿Are you doing something to voice yourself?

I'm not all that upset by 3rd person. i dont believe it needs to be in the game, but it's so lame as it is and so few people use it, it's not a problem. Even the minor advantage of peeking around corners is far less gamebreaking or dramatic as many of the other recent changes.

so i guess i am doing something to voice myself, i'm playing, didnt cancel my phoenix thing, and am laughing at all of this drama over a bullchip issue that doesnt even change anything in the game.

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Why make it easy for them? They can always ban me.

why would they do that? you still count as an active user in their number crunching. They dont need you happy, as long as you're here. And if you're not upset enough to actually leave and stand up for what you claim to believe in, then you must not be that upset since you're still here, posting, and (i'm assuming) still playing, keeping their population numbers high.

[Draknos]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

I have retracted my original vote because I don't want to be pigeonholed into this one que.

I want to be able to play 1st PV in any que without 3rd PV. the way I have played this game since day 1, if it's not then, oh well, adios muchachos,

I will take my "wrong demographic" self back to the island my demographic is on and spend my money there. They don't have "wrong demographics", everyone is a important demographic there!

What is this island called, it's called War Thunder.....

[Particle Man]

Draknos, on 28 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I want to be able to play 1st PV in any que without 3rd PV. the way I have played this game since day 1, if it's not then, oh well, adios muchachos,

so hit F4 when the game launches to turn off 3PV, go to your options and untick the checkbox so it doesnt launch with it, and then play like you always have.

it's a good thing War Thunder doesnt have 3rd person view on it though, isnt it? LOL

Edited by Particle Man, 28 August 2013 - 10:23 PM.

[StandingCow]

Caviel, on 28 August 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Not biased, ogre's choice if you prefer no mixed 1PV/3PV. Do you vote no and voice your opinion that 3PV is OK everywhere, or yes and only do 1PV for 12 pilot groups only where the majority of players don't drop. At least this is my experience of only running into the same 2-3 groups whenever we form a pick-up 12 pilot group in DHB.

The third desired option which everyone is asking for is 1PV only drop options regardless of group size.

I think the problem was this part: "The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list."

So it feels like we are "giving something up" to get what we partially want... meh. Like I said, this is the minimum of what is acceptable to me. 12 mans are competitive, so at least 3PV will be taken out of that.

[Killashnikov]

A bit of humour?

[Straften]

Particle Man, on 28 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

Even the minor advantage of peeking around corners...

[Wolfways]

Particle Man, on 28 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

why would they do that? you still count as an active user in their number crunching. They dont need you happy, as long as you're here. And if you're not upset enough to actually leave and stand up for what you claim to believe in, then you must not be that upset since you're still here, posting, and (i'm assuming) still playing, keeping their population numbers high.

I fail to understand why they do anything...
I've never said i was going to leave the game, even if i am barely playing now thanks to PGI. I won't be spending any of the money i was going to spend, and i'll play when i feel like playing. I used to think i'd be heavily active in this game but now it's just a "throw away" game that had promise, made by a company that obviously doesn't care what their customers think.
So it's now worth what it costs...nothing.

I have nothing against 3pv or players who enjoy it being able to use it. Hell, they could even make it fully playable for all i care (and i believe they will anyway), but i just want what was promised...to not be forced to use 3pv or play with players using 3pv.

[Particle Man]

Straften, on 28 August 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

yep, and it hasnt changed a damn thing.

I've seen a bunch of videos showing HOW it can be exploited, but no videos showing that it's the reason for winning or how it's UBER OP and has changed the game for the worse.

At best it's a free module that everyone gets that doesnt really give much of an actual advantage.

Edited by Particle Man, 28 August 2013 - 10:34 PM.

[Killashnikov]

The thing about 3PV is that it MAY bring in new players. I don't mind that - but 3PV is effectively a different game and needs to be separate from 1pv. It is the only and simplest way to maintain balance. If it is indeed that popular it should not be a problem. If they need us to pug with 3pv for now until numbers are high enough for it to be self supporting - say so and I am sure the community will put up with it for the game's sake. Just stop trying to tell us we are wrong to want what we had.

[Ewigan]

I appreciate that proposed change, the 3PV advantage for scouts in 12 vs 12 was my only real problem with this implementation of 3PV.

[Particle Man]

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

I fail to understand why they do anything...
I've never said i was going to leave the game, even if i am barely playing now thanks to PGI. I won't be spending any of the money i was going to spend, and i'll play when i feel like playing. I used to think i'd be heavily active in this game but now it's just a "throw away" game that had promise, made by a company that obviously doesn't care what their customers think.
So it's now worth what it costs...nothing.

I have nothing against 3pv or players who enjoy it being able to use it. Hell, they could even make it fully playable for all i care (and i believe they will anyway), but i just want what was promised...to not be forced to use 3pv or play with players using 3pv.

but you arent forced to play with it, and i've seen about as many people using it as i see airstrikes.

I get why people dont like it, but there are far worse recent changes than this.

[Wolfways]

Particle Man, on 28 August 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

it's a good thing War Thunder doesnt have 3rd person view on it though, isnt it? LOL

Do you really believe that players who don't want to use, or play against others using 3pv don't want it in any game? lol

[Particle Man]

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Do you really believe that players who don't want to use, or play against others using 3pv don't want it in any game? lol

its just a bit silly to ***** about optional third person, claim how it's ruining the game, and then threaten to quit this one and go play a similar game with 3rd person view.

it just makes it look like what it is, a tantrum.

[nitra]

while the current poll in this thread is welcomed it needs more options to allow those of us who play either solo or in smaller groups

something akin to the the following

http://www.pollowers.com/mwo3pv

Edited by nitra, 28 August 2013 - 10:52 PM.

[Johnny Human]

Jetfire, on 28 August 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

Yeah, about that... The core is here because this is mechwarrior, the 3PV players are here to try their flavor of the month game. The community is what new players will stick around for long term and keep the money coming in. The problem is the core has been waiting on this thing called Community Warfare to be convinced to spend more money.

Yeah. Though some new players will always stick around, certainly not as long as "core" players, but at least long enough to spend some money before being replaced by more new players.

But the thing is, by setting 3PV as the default option, all new players will be indoctrinated as 3PV players. From here on out, that is the way every new player is introduced to the game. That is what most new players will perceive as the norm. How many of those new players are going to go through the trouble of actively seeking out 12v12 premades to be stuck in a 1PV game mode they are not accustomed to?

It seems to me that trying to herd all of the 1PV players into 12v12 premades, while defaulting all the new players into 3PV, will lock the old guard into a death cycle. It does not seem likely the ranks of those core players will be replenished.

PGI right now seems like they want to figure out a way to appease the core players in the short term, but it looks to me like whatever the intentions, it will marginalize them in the long term.

[Thomas McRiley]

Why vote? These who vote are just a minority on an island, neg?

[Wolfways]

Particle Man, on 28 August 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

its just a bit silly to ***** about optional third person, claim how it's ruining the game, and then threaten to quit this one and go play a similar game with 3rd person view.

it just makes it look like what it is, a tantrum.

Similar? They're completely different! lol Don't see many mechs flying around..

[Moromillas]

Haitchpeasauce, on 28 August 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Teams can easily agree on not using 3PV, that's a given.

At this stage so much of the stink has to do with increasingly bad communication and PR.



Do you take what you read on face value? It says "apology" so it is?

Not all communication is taken as gospel, but do I need to link to you all the old PGI posts that stated in black-and-white terms about 3PV first being out of the picture and then always a separate queue? You say this "portion of the community" was mistaken for taking PGI's word? I suppose they were!

Do I take it at face value? I would tentatively believe that it is an apology, until it was proven otherwise. I wouldn't assume it was something else, as doing so is nothing short of monstrous and disgusting. No, I don't want to be associated with that.

No you don't have to link, I know the posts you're talking about. Black and white ehy. You do realize those were design docs, right. Yes, it was a mistake showing that to the community, all communication is taken as gospel.