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[Cybermech]

difference from getting upset and discussing it on the forums
to using 3pv to justify made up articles and pushing lies through valid points.

[AC]

@ Cybermech


I try and understand your POV, because I want to see both sides of the coin, but I struggle to understand you sometimes. Can you be more clear? Are you happy with the game PGI has made so far?

[Sam Slade]

Cybermech, on 04 September 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

breaking promises can happen.

When you sell those promises it can't. It's really that simple.

http://canlii.ca/en/...c-2-part-3.html

[Jestun]

Cybermech, on 04 September 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

difference from getting upset and discussing it on the forums
to using 3pv to justify made up articles and pushing lies through valid points.

it's not made up, it's factual.arguing that you like 3rd person, that the article doesn't take everything into account, that not 100% of the population is unhappy... these things i could understand.claiming it's not true is a joke.

[Cybermech]

wait see this is where you guys are missing somethings.
I'm not PGI's white knight, there are plenty of things wrong with this game and very slow development process.
This thread is about the articles, which I'm pointing out the flaws in the campaign that people have started.
While 3pv and modules where not the best choice in anyways, people presume its been in the works since the start.
Thus the false selling of founders packages, that is not true as they were not planned.
We were sold the game, not no 3pv and no coolshot.
We also signed an agreement that allows PGI to do what they want with the game.
There was no reason for them to give anyone back their money and they did.
Coolshot was raged at because it was not mean to be in the game, but over time from talking to people most really hated microsoft version of it.
Conversations on TS back in closed beta showed this everytime.
So implementing as better version for MC, were 1 MC module slot = 2 CBills Module slot.
That was just idiotic, very small minded and would only lead to rage.
Thankfully this did not last long at all as people joined together to fix the problem.
3pv should not have been implemented (my opinion) and the advantaged it bring is problematic.
However there was enough push for this, I didn't but enough people did.
Way more however where raging about this, thats why the idea around 3pv and split ques where introduced.
Whoever thought it would have been slit ques straight away was lying to them selves.
At the same time PGI could have done WAY better in terms of communicating.
High dps that is in the game was screamed for by this community and by most of "saveMWO".
They loved it when they heard all the changes done to bigger weapons.
They loved assaults online since everyone could hide in it, learn to adapt was the main defense for it.
As someone who opposed it straight off the bat it was a very lonely place.
Top off how much crying about pointless things since the start of this project has forced PGI and others to look elsewhere.
Its not like PGI doesn't read the forums or discuss things or topics that are HOT topics.
From overtime PGI just stopped responding in those topics since it became pointless.
What these articles and "saveMWO" do is make sure the gap betwen PGI and community grows.
Which is something that you Jestun/tolkein and a lot of others are not seeing.
If you read through the article it try's to point out that you can get banned just for being critical about things.
And that is completely not true.
Your sig should have ye banned but PGI are not like that.
Its one thing "saveMWO" will never point out, how much crying on these forums has ruined other players time.
Which out of everything is one of the biggest problems.

[Jestun]

again, you have failed to show the article as false or a lie, you've just tried to excuse what PGI has done.

[Cybermech]

again you can't pick out anything and repeat the same thing.
I ask you again, to pick out anything at all.
you can't.
however I can pick out lots of things just on page one that are not true.
again i ask you to pick out something thats wrong.
but you can't
and you repetitive tactics ain't guna work.
because your lacking somethings.
its what happens when you believe lies over facts.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2722196

start there, scroll down and pick one.
I don't need to generalize, all I'm doing is trying to put some sanity back.
which is something I have always tried to do.

Edited by Cybermech, 05 September 2013 - 03:14 AM.

[Jestun]

i didn't accuse you of lying, why do you feel i am required ro prove that you are?

You on the otherhand claim rhe article is full of lies and yet have nothing to back that accusation up.

thanks for linking to your post that you think "proves" something but you actually proved nothing of being a lie.

[Cybermech]

your quest for proof is just what my point needs.
pick a line, I'm asking it, your looking for proof on what?
while you and many others are saying that the article is true and is what others need to think.
there was no proof provided and just rants put together.
I have pointed out many things of what is wrong with your logic.
now claiming that its your logic is crazy since this "saveMWO" campaign which I include you in
also pointed out your main point about communication that is lacking.
which is funny cause what your doing is ensuring that it continues on.
so your just complaining about your self.

AGAIN PICK OUT A LINE.

[Jestun]

Some people seem confused on where the burden of proof falls.

when you come into a thread and claim it's all full of lies with nothing to back up your accusation it is not the rest of the world's responsibility to prove you wrong.

[Cybermech]

i did not claim.
it is full of lies and I just started from the top of page one and worked my way down.
trying to flip it like that is just priceless, your wasting your time and proving my points.
again pick out one of my points that ain't right.

[Jestun]

Cybermech, on 04 September 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

made up articles and pushing lies

I choose this line. proof please, actual proof not a weak excuse for PGI's actions. evidence, quotes, sources, etc.

Edited by Jestun, 05 September 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[Cybermech]

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2722196

thats my proof, now pick a line out of it.

it is you that is claiming that this article is right, I have pointed it out whats wrong with it just on the first page.
you can't continue, cause you don't have any opinions your self.
your only coping and pasting others rants.

Edited by Cybermech, 05 September 2013 - 03:56 AM.

[Jestun]

I'm not sure you understand what proof is. or a lie, or a claim for that matter.

you have provided zero proof. none. nada. f**k all. there is no proof in that post to discuss.

[Cybermech]

see your major problem is your missing things.
when you ask your higher ups for help on this, well you will hit a brick wall.
while you try and play the "proof" game your only making my points more valid.

once AGAIN pick a line or concede

[Jestun]

the only peeson missing things is the one who thinks saying little more than "i disagree with this" is proof that the article is full of lies.

the only peeson missing things is the one who thinks saying little more than "i disagree with this" is proof that the article is full of lies.

i picked a line and you were 100% unable or unwilling to provide any evidence whatsoever.

[Cybermech]

see now your trying to play that game.
I really recommend you ask someone for help.
you don't know who your talking to so your just presume its a "white knight" which can easily be trolled.
you didn't pick a line, you went before it, you know this so if you had any value to what YOUR trying to proof this conversation wouldn't have stopped.
however your missing way too much to even understand the brick wall you hit.

Pick a line or do not, choice however is always yours.
but if you can't even attempt to discuss about the lies in the article, you might want to swap PGI name with yours in the sig

[Jestun]

once i get home ibcan pick apart your post for both of our amusement, but while posting from firefox on an android phone the forum is hard work.

but it will only be for amusement since the fact remains that the post is little more than "i disagree with this" with no attempt to prove anything.

[Cybermech]

with you guys are saying the article is full of facts, which their is plenty of lies.
I didn't even plan it out, just starting from the start, find something that wrong, quote, write the facts and post.
which each line.
It was easy, no need to pick out the big ones, or manipulate the order of them to make my point even more valid.
You have not been on your phone since yesterday.
Once again the article is false, the game is still running, still plenty of people playing.
There is no riot, 3pv rage is over while it still will be close to people's hearts.
What this article done was taken rants as facts and also you guys pretending it is facts.
Where is your proof?.
Go back and pick out a point that i made about the article and start there.
But understand that you do not know enough about this to continue this conversation in the direction you would like to.
I really recommend getting someone who has not only being in closed beta for most of it but also active enough on the forums.
There are massive holes in the timeline that if you cannot fill you cannot continue.

[Jestun]

i've not been on my phone since yesterday and you've not proven the article contains a single lie so i felt no need to pick apart your post when replying yesterday.

i'll be home in an hour or so, no need to post a wall of text telling me i can't pick it apart immediately after i offered to do just that.