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[Cybermech]

its very strange how its the same people trolling in this thread.
RG Notch is another bright spark.

If this article was SO factual how come it only has clueless trolls who can only copy and paste other peoples opinions to defend it?

Edited by Cybermech, 09 September 2013 - 05:08 AM.

[RG Notch]

The real question is are kangaroos the best boxing animals or are we missing out on other potential animals that could box better?

[Cybermech]

if anyone is going to help me make my point, that a lot of it is just people using other peoples opinions and not know where they are coming from is you RG Notch.
thank you so much

[RG Notch]

I bet an orangutan could probably take a kangaroo.

[Victor Morson]

Cybermech, on 09 September 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

its very strange how its the same people trolling in this thread.
RG Notch is another bright spark.

If this article was SO factual how come it only has clueless trolls who can only copy and paste other peoples opinions to defend it?

Your right. An article can be biased, when looking at all this. I think we should move to an objective source... like, oh I don't know. Screenshots of direct developer quotes through the game's life....

Something maybe like...

Spoiler

? Yeah, that seems pretty factual to me!

[Jestun]

Cybermech, on 09 September 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

its very strange how its the same people trolling in this thread.
RG Notch is another bright spark.

If this article was SO factual how come it only has clueless trolls who can only copy and paste other peoples opinions to defend it?

unless you are multiple people there's only one troll here. fyi i'm going back to not bothering to reply to you since it's as pointless as your posts (which is why you find no one supporting your point, they are unable to find it).

[Cybermech]

Multiple of the same people, you still can't answer your own thoughts Jestun.
When I go to point out how wrong you are, you magically can't answer back.
But when there is enough trolling going on you then magically join back into the conversation.

@ Victor, no matter how many times you post that, it still points out that it was part of a development process.
It proves that it wasn't part of the plan but over time that changed.
Congrats??

[RG Notch]

So who do you have in a kangaroo v. orangutan boxing match? You can't answer that huh?

[DEN_Ninja]

So the first page of comments on this thread are about how true this article is and how it hurts so much. One person goes out saying that he hopes MWO doesn't die.

If you are so negative and accepting of the opinion that PGI can't make this game then please leave.

At this point I will not argue or try to reason with any of you. MWO is dead to you? Great, leave and stop polluting the forums.


On another note this article is horrible garbage. Gamefront is obviously emotional in this article and it is very sensationalized. It makes wide assumptions such as PGI not listening to feedback despite it is very much clear that they do. They made a claim on the second page that PGI should take in essentially the most popular player opinions on balance.

Clearly this doesn't work. Or else we would have straight up TT values because that WAS a huge camp of people that wanted it.

Talks about consumables and coolant shot. Doesn't even play the game from what I can tell. Coolant flush allows for a "continuous, heavy damaging fire" Continuous my ***, when coolant flush came out you could still only do one more shot with a hex PPC stalker. If a stalker tried to do it now it would explode.

And the changes we asked for were made to consumables. Obviously someone at PGI was listening.

Oh and making claim that general discussions was removed to reduce the amount of negative content in the forums? That's a ******** joke. One thing happens and you automatically assume that it is for an ulterior motive.

While I concede that there is a huge lack of clear, concise communication from PGI and its staff there is so much wrong with this article that assumes and makes guesses at why PGI does something other than give concrete information about why things happen. They can only give anecdotal evidence.

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 10 September 2013 - 05:35 AM.

[Lokust Davion]

RG Notch, on 10 September 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

So who do you have in a kangaroo v. orangutan boxing match? You can't answer that huh?

kangaroo wins!*

[Jestun]

i'd rather critisize in the hopes they will listen than say nothing and let them assume i'm one of the silant majority that apparently agrees with their every decision (despite being silent).

sorry for typos. phone typing sucks and the edit button doesn't work on andriod firefox.

[DEN_Ninja]

Jestun, on 10 September 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

i'd rather critisize in the hopes they will listen than say nothing and let them assume i'm one of the silant majority that apparently agrees with their every decision (despite being silent).

sorry for typos. phone typing sucks and the edit button doesn't work on andriod firefox.

I love to criticize PGI too, in a clear, constructive manner. I don't start a thread with saying PGI is incompetent and list what I specifically want to be changed.

I don't assume I am of the silent/vocal, majority/minority. You know who knows how many accounts, active players, new players, and people talk? PGI. Unless you can access all of PGI's raw statistic data to tell me otherwise don't assume.

But sadly this is the MWO forums. Where every mad 'majority' member says PGi is competent. insults them in their signature pictures, and DO list what they specifically want without reasoning to back it up.

Here's an example of good constructive criticism.
I believe that the UAC/5 meta currently is too overpowered. I believe this because I have gone into a game with a quad UAC/5 Jagermech. I can hold down a button and let my UAC/5 fire automatically into an Atlas. This Atlas depending on the situation can die later or 10 seconds from now.

At 15% jamming the UAC/5 can get 4-5 shots off with ease without jamming. Using theorycrafting, if four UAC/5's can expend 4 shots each that is 4 shots times 4 guns, and times 5 damage. This equates to 80 possible damage at optimal range.

This is no different than the Quad PPC Stalker. I feel the jamming rate either be increased to 20% or have a temporary jam that requires an action to unjam it. Such as having to manually unjam the guns. One is far drastic than the other. This is the price to pay to have an AC/80 or we can go jam within 3-4 shots. That puts it closer to an AC/40-60 because it can jam far more easily.

From personal observations of UAC/5 based builds they can easily expend even more shots with the use of minimal timing and reach far above 80 damage and can tear through 100+ points of armor easily. Any questions or comments to add to my argument?

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 10 September 2013 - 06:13 AM.

[Jestun]

no need to assume. pgi has told us we are the minority. and that they know what the majority want.

must be all the email/launcher polls they circulate to the wider community, right? wait a minute...

and no, we don't know about player jumbers.

because pgi refuse to release them.

[DEN_Ninja]

Jestun, on 10 September 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

no need to assume. pgi has told us we are the minority. and that they know what the majority want.

must be all the email/launcher polls they circulate to the wider community, right? wait a minute...

and no, we don't know about player jumbers.

because pgi refuse to release them.

This is the point where I can no longer reason with you. To think so negatively just because of unactions or actions. To look into a thing and assume they are wrong or right.

I do see that many folks are angry. I believe they do hold a sizable camp but I don't believe that they can hold a majority opinion as long as they keep playing the game.

So many people are asking for refunds and believing this game to be on its last legs. If you are one those people just leave.

Stop playing the game already. What are you doing here? Or is it because you actually have fun playing this game? Guess what, if you are having fun you have a reason to play the game. If you are having fun other people like minded like you must also be having fun. If I were to launch solo queue right now and have failed to find a match or consistently play with the same 23 people then i'd consider the game dead.

Instead I can go watch the NGNGTV stream and see 120 people talking and shooting the [Redacted] having fun. 120 thats more than MW:LL and that was not consider 'totally dead'

Sadly when I solo queue i see completely different people most of the time. Sadly there is more than enough people to fill 23 slots uniquely and often enough.

Sadly this game has yet to die.

Yeah no, I'm on a Catapult. Deal. With. It.

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 10 September 2013 - 06:13 AM.

[Wiegraf]

TIchorious,

You keep trying to argue with someone who's opinions obviously won't change, and while I agree with you 100% about pre-Biased opinions. I would suggest you just stop.

Unless you're bored in which case please continue because I love how right you are and how many of the others just don't get it.

I'm not saying PGI is flawless, but they're a company. People who didn't like League went to DOTA or any of the other DOTA clones. Let these people leave and go to Hawken or Star citizen or whatever the next game they want to be disappointed by is.

No F2P game is ever perfect, you either accept/trust the direction of the DEVELOPERS. Or you leave and try to find a game that you believe disappoints you less.

Good luck to all the haters, I really do hope you find what you're looking for a in a game, although it seriously sounds like that's not here.

3pv and ghost heat did not affect me at all, I have seen all great improvements. I hope they rebalance UAC5 which is my only real gripe at the moment and it's mostly because of Macro users who are abusing the mechanic.

Edited by Wiegraf, 10 September 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[Jestun]

as i said, i'll stay here critisizing in the hopes that pgi realise that it's not just a couple of upset people and fix things.

i see no reason why i should let you decide what i post or what i play.

crazy idea, you decide what you do and let other people do the same.

[DEN_Ninja]

Yeah man, I just don't have the best tolerance for this type of idiocy. Give me some solid info on a corrupt PGI and ill bring my pitchfork but until then I am playing MWO.

I mean Jesus Christ, Warthunder, a WWII Plane Sim is launching in Nov and it has less than 33% of its total features. Tanks and Fleet along with entire portions of their plane trees are missing.

Yet here we have people complaining about its too early for a F2P game.

[Roland]

Tichorius Davion, on 10 September 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

I mean Jesus Christ, Warthunder, a WWII Plane Sim is launching in Nov and it has less than 33% of its total features. Tanks and Fleet along with entire portions of their plane trees are missing.

Dude, this game is launching NEXT WEEK with less than a third of its total features.

[DEN_Ninja]

Roland, on 10 September 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Dude, this game is launching NEXT WEEK with less than a third of its total features.

Exactly! Thats how F2P games WORK. They are free to play and have an elongated and never ending dev cycle. What would League or Dota be like if they just launched a game with its 'full' features? They would lose many players. No, they keep adding more and more things.

[Jestun]

see, that's a demographic pgi can please. people who not only expect an incomplete game but also try to justify it.