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[Jestun]

Bilbo, on 25 September 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Referring anybody to a post by Shumabot will not help your case. But to answer that, if the game were a AAA title in development for more than two years before anyone ever saw it, I might actually agree with the scale.

I have no idea if shuma found or made it, but that's moot unless you decide the validity of something by who says it. FYI it's the second image when doing a Google image search for "game review scale".

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Ever notice how the average score given by a review show somehow tends to be above average?
If you take a stroll on professional game review websites, you will notice that score tend to be in the 6.0 to 10.0 range, even if they're nominally using a ten-point scale. This is called the four point scale, which is also sometimes called the 7 to 9 scale. Two takes exist on why this is so...

See here for an interesting read on the subject: http://tvtropes.org/.../FourPointScale

Edited by Jestun, 25 September 2013 - 09:09 AM.

[Bilbo]

Jestun, on 25 September 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

I have no idea if shuma found or made it, but that's moot unless you decide the validity of something by who says it. FYI it's the second image when doing a Google image search for "game review scale".




See here for an interesting read on the subject: http://tvtropes.org/.../FourPointScale

You might notice I gave you the reason I disagreed with scale as applied to MWO too.

[Sandpit]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

Dont you people understand something?

We all have gripes with the game. We all think and know it can and will be better.

But when you spread a negative word about this game it only makes it worse. It will turn people off and drive them away. I feel sorry for a lot o you. Your parents did not teach you 2 simple rules. 1: Its not what you say its how you say it. and 2: Never cut your nose to spite your face.


It sickens me you all claim to love this game yet are taking an active roll in keeping players and money away form it. For every person you drive away is money they can use to hire a new programer.

*spits at some of your feet* SHAME ON YOU!!!!

Soooooo.......

According to you, if I don't like a product, and I give an honest review of that product, and it's a less than good review, I shouldn't post that simply because that could cause the game to die out?
Uhm....... ok.

I've got news for you, not a single player in this game (barring not spending money because they no longer wish to spend money on a product they're dissatisfied with) can cause this game to die out. Want to know what WILL cause this game to die out?

• Poor balancing options and implementation
  
• boring and repetitive gameplay
  
• buggy features and poor coding
  
• lack of immersion outside of deathmatch
  
• no storyline
  
• glacial feature implementation
  
• long boring grind that serves no purpose other than buying another mech
  
• over-priced monetary system
  
• no micro transactions for more casual players
  
• rude and unprofessional behavior and attitudes from company employees in public forums
  
• obvious cash grabs for new hero mechs while completely ignoring the implementation of ANY features outside of a new map here and there

So let's get this straight, the "vocal" minority has no influence on the game and its development because they're "on an island" and therefore are not a big enough demographic to cause concern for the company and developers but at the same time are single-handedly destroying the game by giving poor reviews of the product in public venues (which is what customers tend to do when they are unhappy with a product)? Please, someone explain this to me

[Jestun]

Bilbo, on 25 September 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

You might notice I gave you the reason I disagreed with scale as applied to MWO too.

A launched title is a launched title and is reviewed as such.

A small team and not much time is a reason to delay launch, not a reason to release the game.

They chose to launch. It is now a live title and will be judged as such.

If you choose to view them in a different way due to the team size and time investment then fair enough. But these reviews aren't to make existing fans happy. They are to get word out there and let potential new players know how good the game is.

People who aren't likely to even know the team size, let alone care about it. Nor are they going to know the budget or the amount of time in development.

What they will know is the content of the review and that it was scored 6/10.


GameTrailers is the reviewer on Metacritic that gave a score of 6/10 (or 60/100 if you prefer). Take a look here: http://www.metacriti...rs?filter=games

Their average rating is 79. They rated MWO 60.

Ten Ton Hammer has an average rating of 79 too, they gave MWO 66: http://www.metacriti...er?filter=games

Gaming trend game it the highest score so far, 77. Their average is higher too at 80: http://www.metacriti...nd?filter=games


So take from that what you will.

[Bilbo]

Jestun, on 25 September 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

A launched title is a launched title and is reviewed as such.

A small team and not much time is a reason to delay launch, not a reason to release the game.

They chose to launch. It is now a live title and will be judged as such.

If you choose to view them in a different way due to the team size and time investment then fair enough. But these reviews aren't to make existing fans happy. They are to get word out there and let potential new players know how good the game is.

People who aren't likely to even know the team size, let alone care about it. Nor are they going to know the budget or the amount of time in development.

What they will know is the content of the review and that it was scored 6/10.


GameTrailers is the reviewer on Metacritic that gave a score of 6/10 (or 60/100 if you prefer). Take a look here: http://www.metacriti...rs?filter=games

Their average rating is 79. They rated MWO 60.

Ten Ton Hammer has an average rating of 79 too, they gave MWO 66: http://www.metacriti...er?filter=games

Gaming trend game it the highest score so far, 77. Their average is higher too at 80: http://www.metacriti...nd?filter=games


So take from that what you will.

Personally, I don't pay any attention to reviews about any game by anybody. I can't count the number of highly acclaimed games I've played discarded as junk. I play them and make up my own mind, and as I said elsewhere, the best thing about f2p titles is that there is nothing lost by trying them out.

[Jetfire]

Jestun, on 25 September 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

A launched title is a launched title and is reviewed as such.

A small team and not much time is a reason to delay launch, not a reason to release the game.

They chose to launch. It is now a live title and will be judged as such.

If you choose to view them in a different way due to the team size and time investment then fair enough. But these reviews aren't to make existing fans happy. They are to get word out there and let potential new players know how good the game is.

People who aren't likely to even know the team size, let alone care about it. Nor are they going to know the budget or the amount of time in development.

What they will know is the content of the review and that it was scored 6/10.


GameTrailers is the reviewer on Metacritic that gave a score of 6/10 (or 60/100 if you prefer). Take a look here: http://www.metacriti...rs?filter=games

Their average rating is 79. They rated MWO 60.

Ten Ton Hammer has an average rating of 79 too, they gave MWO 66: http://www.metacriti...er?filter=games

Gaming trend game it the highest score so far, 77. Their average is higher too at 80: http://www.metacriti...nd?filter=games


So take from that what you will.

Bingo, most people and reviewers will come to the same place on average. "It's a nice game, but where is the rest of it?"

It's a small team with not much time in development that launched early. The game will probably look very different in two years time but you can't review the games grand design, you review the content.

[Apoc1138]

Jestun, on 25 September 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

This whole post seems to rely on the assumption that CW is nothing more than the existing 12 man random opponent queue which assigns some points to the faction that wins. I have seen no official posts stating that, could you link to the source of this please?

I thought I knew exactly where this info was, but it now appears to have been "archived" out of public view

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

cut your nose to spite your face. Its the only thing im hearing here. I dont care what your excuses are your the only ones that are bad for this game.

Purposely trying to get the only company that is or is willing to make this game to fail. You are to daft to understand. NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO TOUCH THIS FRANCHISE! Its not what you say its how you ay it.

Think of PGI as your touched in the head little brother. Shure, its frustrating but you would never get other people to hate him would you!


Its really sad you ragers dont get it. The harder you do what you do the faster this game is to closing its servers and NO one is going to make another MW game in your lifetimes. NO ONE!

[Sandpit]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

cut your nose to spite your face. Its the only thing im hearing here. I dont care what your excuses are your the only ones that are bad for this game.

Purposely trying to get the only company that is or is willing to make this game to fail. You are to daft to understand. NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO TOUCH THIS FRANCHISE! Its not what you say its how you ay it.

Think of PGI as your touched in the head little brother. Shure, its frustrating but you would never get other people to hate him would you!


Its really sad you ragers dont get it. The harder you do what you do the faster this game is to closing its servers and NO one is going to make another MW game in your lifetimes. NO ONE!

see my above post

[Gamgee]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

cut your nose to spite your face. Its the only thing im hearing here. I dont care what your excuses are your the only ones that are bad for this game.

Purposely trying to get the only company that is or is willing to make this game to fail. You are to daft to understand. NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO TOUCH THIS FRANCHISE! Its not what you say its how you ay it.

Think of PGI as your touched in the head little brother. Shure, its frustrating but you would never get other people to hate him would you!


Its really sad you ragers dont get it. The harder you do what you do the faster this game is to closing its servers and NO one is going to make another MW game in your lifetimes. NO ONE!

Then so be it. Never surrender, even in the face of armageddon.

[RG Notch]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

cut your nose to spite your face. Its the only thing im hearing here. I dont care what your excuses are your the only ones that are bad for this game.

Purposely trying to get the only company that is or is willing to make this game to fail. You are to daft to understand. NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO TOUCH THIS FRANCHISE! Its not what you say its how you ay it.

Think of PGI as your touched in the head little brother. Shure, its frustrating but you would never get other people to hate him would you!


Its really sad you ragers dont get it. The harder you do what you do the faster this game is to closing its servers and NO one is going to make another MW game in your lifetimes. NO ONE!

And that's a problem for whom? I don't want the game to die, but you know who has a real vested interest in the game not dying...IGP/PGI. They seem to think that the forum community doesn't matter and that all these new players will come in and replace them. You reap what you sow. When PGI said it really couldn't care less about the forum community and that the founders weren't their desired demo after they took their money what did they expect? When they managed this community like an old Eastern Bloc nation did they not think people would spread their vitriol in other places? Did trying to sneak in 3PV and then post a lame "apology" after being all snarky on Twitter about it at first help things?
If the game dies and there isn't another, oh well at least I can say I tried to make the game better and didn't settle for a sub par game. If the game dies it's not my fault or anyone other than PGI/IGP. Who launched it in this state? Who drove long time fans away chasing any gamer with a dollar? Who made this game a grind? Who hasn't added a new game mode? Who is still using a "place holder "UI? Who won't share a single word about CW in months?
A good game isn't killed by bad press or social media, a mediocre one is. The message to anyone else who wants to make a MW game is to not act like PGI, not to never make a MW game.

[Gamgee]

RG Notch, on 25 September 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

And that's a problem for whom? I don't want the game to die, but you know who has a real vested interest in the game not dying...IGP/PGI. They seem to think that the forum community doesn't matter and that all these new players will come in and replace them. You reap what you sow. When PGI said it really couldn't care less about the forum community and that the founders weren't their desired demo after they took their money what did they expect? When they managed this community like an old Eastern Bloc nation did they not think people would spread their vitriol in other places? Did trying to sneak in 3PV and then post a lame "apology" after being all snarky on Twitter about it at first help things?
If the game dies and there isn't another, oh well at least I can say I tried to make the game better and didn't settle for a sub par game. If the game dies it's not my fault or anyone other than PGI/IGP. Who launched it in this state? Who drove long time fans away chasing any gamer with a dollar? Who made this game a grind? Who hasn't added a new game mode? Who is still using a "place holder "UI? Who won't share a single word about CW in months?
A good game isn't killed by bad press or social media, a mediocre one is. The message to anyone else who wants to make a MW game is to not act like PGI, not to never make a MW game.

Indeed, this game had it's chance. I spent an entire year being reasonable, we're past reasonable now. This whole sitution reminds me of this.

[Nekki Basara]

Bilbo, on 25 September 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

You might notice I gave you the reason I disagreed with scale as applied to MWO too.

You can disagree all you want, but when the general public sees a 5.3 they don't think "this game is okay" they think "HOW DID IT SCORE MINUS 1.7? HOOOOOOW?". They don't look at the review text, they don't really care how much is "coming soon we promise" and they REALLY don't care about the series history. They just want to know instantly if this is as much fun as Call of Duty blarblar number.

Sure, dismiss these people if you want, but then you are dismissing content. F2P games surivive on having people to play against, and without enough people giving things a go for themselves....

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Chill dude. Maybe go play something else, go for a walk, have a nice nap and get some perspective. The only one raging here is you.

[FactorlanP]

RG Notch, on 25 September 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

And that's a problem for whom? I don't want the game to die, but you know who has a real vested interest in the game not dying...IGP/PGI. They seem to think that the forum community doesn't matter and that all these new players will come in and replace them. You reap what you sow. When PGI said it really couldn't care less about the forum community and that the founders weren't their desired demo after they took their money what did they expect? When they managed this community like an old Eastern Bloc nation did they not think people would spread their vitriol in other places? Did trying to sneak in 3PV and then post a lame "apology" after being all snarky on Twitter about it at first help things?
If the game dies and there isn't another, oh well at least I can say I tried to make the game better and didn't settle for a sub par game. If the game dies it's not my fault or anyone other than PGI/IGP. Who launched it in this state? Who drove long time fans away chasing any gamer with a dollar? Who made this game a grind? Who hasn't added a new game mode? Who is still using a "place holder "UI? Who won't share a single word about CW in months?
A good game isn't killed by bad press or social media, a mediocre one is. The message to anyone else who wants to make a MW game is to not act like PGI, not to never make a MW game.

^ This is exactly how I feel.

PGI and their policy of REFUSING to communicate with the client base HERE on THEIR OWN forums in a way that explains decisions and discusses problems will ultimately be what kills the game in the end.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Just a bunch of over the hill gamers QQing they cant have it their way yet do nothing to make a better MWO game...


Im an old SWG player. You know what happened when SWG implemented the NGE (this is all found on wiki and the internet very famous). They started making their own SWG game. We all know what happened to SWG. At least that community backed up ther QQ and tried to make a better game.

All you are doing is acting like spoiled children who cant get their way so your going to sabotage. Basically the worst type of people on the planet is so many ways. Then you wonder why PGI has given up on people like you. They should have done it a long time ago.

[RG Notch]

FactorlanP, on 25 September 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

^ This is exactly how I feel.

PGI and their policy of REFUSING to communicate with the client base HERE on THEIR OWN forums in a way that explains decisions and discusses problems will ultimately be what kills the game in the end.

Yup, I'm not saying they have to listen and implement every forum suggestion or even any forum suggestion. But at the least explain why you are doing what you are doing....beforehand. Not do what you think best with out warning then "apologize". I'm not saying don't try to broaden your player base, but try to do it in a way that doesn't look like you're abandoning your founders. Communicate. Even if it's one sided. Tell us what's coming and why. Explain problems don't pretend they don't exist.
Do you think people just hate the game or PGI for no reason and are just posting bad stuff elsewhere for spite? A lot of them were formerly supporters, founders even who put up money sight unseen on PGI's vision. At least have the decency to explain why the vision has changed.
I for one don't want any silly liaison from the "competitive" community or any direct dialogue with the team. I just want to see some kind of roadmap presented on the game's own website. I just want some idea of what CW will be. Even if it's not what everyone wants at least they will know it will exist and stop the vaporware comments.
Stop be afraid of negative feedback and instead realize that constructive feedback even if it's negative always helps. That's the real key, stop being afraid of the forums and tell us what's happening. Allowing all the speculation, which after all the delays is often negative, dispel that and at least let people be mad at what you are planning, not mad that you're not planning anything. Some folks won't like certain things no matter what, if you let them determine what you'll share you'll share nothing.

[Redwo1f]

RG Notch, on 25 September 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

And that's a problem for whom? I don't want the game to die, but you know who has a real vested interest in the game not dying...IGP/PGI. They seem to think that the forum community doesn't matter and that all these new players will come in and replace them. You reap what you sow. When PGI said it really couldn't care less about the forum community and that the founders weren't their desired demo after they took their money what did they expect? When they managed this community like an old Eastern Bloc nation did they not think people would spread their vitriol in other places? Did trying to sneak in 3PV and then post a lame "apology" after being all snarky on Twitter about it at first help things?
If the game dies and there isn't another, oh well at least I can say I tried to make the game better and didn't settle for a sub par game. If the game dies it's not my fault or anyone other than PGI/IGP. Who launched it in this state? Who drove long time fans away chasing any gamer with a dollar? Who made this game a grind? Who hasn't added a new game mode? Who is still using a "place holder "UI? Who won't share a single word about CW in months?
A good game isn't killed by bad press or social media, a mediocre one is. The message to anyone else who wants to make a MW game is to not act like PGI, not to never make a MW game.

No truer said words. This ought to be pinned on each page.

[Nekki Basara]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Im an old SWG player. You know what happened when SWG implemented the NGE (this is all found on wiki and the internet very famous). They started making their own SWG game. We all know what happened to SWG. At least that community backed up ther QQ and tried to make a better game.

Good thing SWG stuck to their guns, NGE ended up being literally better than sex and set them up so that even now SWG is the top MMO of all time with more players putting more money into it as we speak. Right?

[General Taskeen]

Anyways, speaking of Metacritic - I think its time we hang up Metacritic and just forget about it, for all games - that will be the best thing for the Gaming Humanity Industry.

(total biscuit metacritic and CA rant at 9:00ish)

Edited by General Taskeen, 25 September 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[WarHippy]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 25 September 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Just a bunch of over the hill gamers QQing they cant have it their way yet do nothing to make a better MWO game...


Im an old SWG player. You know what happened when SWG implemented the NGE (this is all found on wiki and the internet very famous). They started making their own SWG game. We all know what happened to SWG. At least that community backed up ther QQ and tried to make a better game.

All you are doing is acting like spoiled children who cant get their way so your going to sabotage. Basically the worst type of people on the planet is so many ways. Then you wonder why PGI has given up on people like you. They should have done it a long time ago.

Over the hill? Spoiled children? Pick a metaphor and stick with it at least. Contradiction and name calling does not make for a compelling argument. Then again what does one expect from someone who's only argument style is to stomp their feet and call people names. You can do better than that.