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[Rhent]

Mackman, on 17 September 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

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I think this is especially appropriate here. All the "true Mechwarrior fans" are taking to Metacritic to, as Azantia above pointed out, exact "payback" against the devs of MWO. These people talk about how "disappointed" they are by the state of the game, and then go and make sure that the game never has a chance to get better. They talk about how excited they were to see where the game was going, and then they try to stop it in its tracks.

If you truly hate this game, then I'm sorry for you: I would advise you stop playing. If you enjoy this game, and want to see it succeed, then don't go and vent your anger at Metacritic. Don't open up that review box and think, "Now is the time for payback!"

Instead, think: "Judging the game on its own merits, how can I honestly review this free-to-play game to new people who will likely check here to see if it's worth playing?" Use the review to help MWO, not to kill it.

What you should be writing is not to hold Developers accountable for their word. A lot of people bought founders packages with the expectation that:
-Clans would be available at launch
-Community warfare would be available at launch

Both are missing. A developer that goes for crowd sourcing and then fails to deliver can expect a lot of issues from fans, including bad social media reviews. When certain game companies were dropping DRM in their games, they got slammed on Amazon.com and Metacritic reviews and they were part of the reason why DRM is being removed from games. I have a feeling the negative press MWO is getting is going to change future games from promising more than they can actually deliver. MWO should have stayed in BETA longer, its only in name only, but take the extra time to deliver what was promised for launch.

[Wired]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yeah, I see those too.. lol. (I wince.. because I really do want the game to be successful, and it's nice to see people really support the company..but they do it on subjects without base or logic..)

I was a definitive supporter of PGI, so long as there was room for doubt on the doom and gloom to come.. then ECM happened, and was cemented after 5 months. (Then I became a hater- before centering on critic)

Pretty much the same. I have several posts defending ECM before it was introduced, as well. But after its poor implementation, I started to get more cynical. I stood by PGI at a couple of points, but it became harder and harder to do so the more they just completely screwed things in. There were a few points recently where I defended PGI - for example, in regards to not showing the numbers on Phoenix purchases - but looking back I realized that PGI was just participating in information warfare against us.

Anyways, it is not like I am in permanent hate zone. I admit to not refunding my phoenix package - even though they do not deserve my money anymore - and I am secretly hoping they get their act together. But in the mean time, I will keep pointing out the problems. There is far too much noise put out by PGI to try to detract anyone with a non-glowing opinion.

[TheSteelRhino]

Here are the haters hating. Best thing that can happen is for peeps that like the game to give honest reviews. Just be fair

[DocBach]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yeah, I see those too.. lol. (I wince.. because I really do want the game to be successful, and it's nice to see people really support the company..but they do it on subjects without base or logic..)

I was a definitive supporter of PGI, so long as there was room for doubt on the doom and gloom to come.. then ECM happened, and was cemented after 5 months. (Then I became a hater- before centering on critic)

I'm still pissed off about ECM.

[Will Strip 4 Cbills]

I gave the game a 3 because it has problems down to the root of mechanics(Heat Scale, Hit registration(Getting better), etc.), The dev team are practically part of an ever changing game so they were factored into my review(Being impossible, stubborn, illogical, deaf and mute).

The game is practically 2 mini games. Stand in box, or Stand in 5 boxes. Which is utterly dull after a week.

Then there are problems like the GRIND and EXP system which are horrifying.

The mechs look pretty though and the 2 mini games are functional. Thus getting a 3.

Edited by Will Strip 4 Cbills, 17 September 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Sybreed]

Guys, I just realized this:

Number of meta critic reviews for MWO: 401
For War Thunder: 63
For WoT: 411 (since its release in 2011)
For Hawken: 70

Take it for what you want... MWO's community is quite possibly the most passionnate community there is. PGI should learn something from this...

Edited by Sybreed, 17 September 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[soarra]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the people are giving their one review.. you have a right to your opinion and sharing it on a review site..

You do NOT have a right to 4 opinions, or the opinions of Bryan Eckman, Sean Lang, or Russ Bullock.

You do relize there are people In the world with the same names right? Even though its most likely not true here. If pgi went after people giving them bad reviews it would just show the critics what the company is about.

Both sides the people giving 10s and 0s are both being ridiculous
Look at the reviews from 3-8 to get a good idea on the game

[Sybreed]

DocBach, on 17 September 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

I'm still pissed off about ECM.

same here brother, same here...

[Livewyr]

Wired, on 17 September 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Pretty much the same. I have several posts defending ECM before it was introduced, as well. But after its poor implementation, I started to get more cynical. I stood by PGI at a couple of points, but it became harder and harder to do so the more they just completely screwed things in. There were a few points recently where I defended PGI - for example, in regards to not showing the numbers on Phoenix purchases - but looking back I realized that PGI was just participating in information warfare against us.

Anyways, it is not like I am in permanent hate zone. I admit to not refunding my phoenix package - even though they do not deserve my money anymore - and I am secretly hoping they get their act together. But in the mean time, I will keep pointing out the problems. There is far too much noise put out by PGI to try to detract anyone with a non-glowing opinion.

Yup. Just, Yup.

(I'm still considering acquiring a mid level Phoenix so I can get the Saber- I want jumpjet mediums..and this game has SO much potential to be awesome that I still hold out hope for improvement- *and* it does seem like PGI is listening a little bit more recently: regarding UACs, PPCs/ERPPCs, for example.. and a no-BS post in the CC about backend programming. If the responsiveness increases continually, this game might just make it.

DocBach, on 17 September 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

I'm still pissed off about ECM.

[Wired]

soarra, on 17 September 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

You do relize there are people In the world with the same names right? Even though its most likely not true here. If pgi went after people giving them bad reviews it would just show the critics what the company is about.

Both sides the people giving 10s and 0s are both being ridiculous
Look at the reviews from 3-8 to get a good idea on the game

Woh there, the guy mimicing Sean basically does everything he can to attempt to identify himself as Sean Lang. If it quacks like a duck, man...

[MechFrog1]

hashinshin, on 17 September 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

In this thread, people circlejerking.

Haha I wrote a review and it was negative! Haha we are so cool. Lets make sure nobody ever makes another mechwarrior game again because of how hostile the fanbase is!

If only we could float our hopes and dreams on hyperbole.

[Livewyr]

Sybreed, on 17 September 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Guys, I just realized this:

Number of meta critic reviews for MWO: 401
For War Thunder: 63
For WoT: 411 (since its release in 2011)
For Hawken: 70

Take it for what you want... MWO's community is quite possibly the most passionnate community there is. PGI should learn something from this...

That is a positive [meta] review in itself, me thinks. Less than a day and the player base has gone out in droves to [speak] about it in larger numbers than some other games that have been out for years..

[Sybreed]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

That is a positive [meta] review in itself, me thinks. Less than a day and the player base has gone out in droves to [speak] about it in larger numbers than some other games that have been out for years..

annnnnnnd it speaks that PGI shouldn't have pissed off its community

Edited by Sybreed, 17 September 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[Deathlike]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

That is a positive [meta] review in itself, me thinks. Less than a day and the player base has gone out in droves to [speak] about it in larger numbers than some other games that have been out for years..

Does metacritic moderate over the user reviews? I'm curious.

[shintakie]

Sybreed, on 17 September 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Guys, I just realized this:

Number of meta critic reviews for MWO: 401
For War Thunder: 63
For WoT: 411 (since its release in 2011)
For Hawken: 70

Take it for what you want... MWO's community is quite possibly the most passionnate community there is. PGI should learn something from this...

Most troll 1/10 and 10/10 reviews with no substance get deleted within a couple days of bein posted to Metacritic. Give it a few days and the MWO reviews will start droppin in total number.

Deathlike, on 17 September 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Does metacritic moderate over the user reviews? I'm curious.

Yes, quite often I might add because of review bombers and 10/10 reviews without substance.

Generally speakin the 10/10 ones stay, but the 1/10 ones that either have no substance, or are flame posts get deleted pretty quickly. MWO's average score should rise soon, but honestly it'll still be skewed because 10/10 reviews don't get deleted all that often.

I get that a lot of people like this game, but there is absolutely 0 reason to give it a 10/10. Sound design is weak, scale is completely whacked, game modes are lackin, graphics are meh at best. Even if that stuff doesn't bother you, it still shouldn't get a 10/10 because of how often buggy stuff makes it into the game.

My honest review? 5.5/10. Its fun, but its fun in the same way that I find random flash games on the internet to be fun. I can go in, mess around for 10-15 minutes, and leave without feelin like I wasted too much time. If I stay much longer I start to notice all the stupid flaws, all the incredibly annoyin imbalances, or start to get extremely creeped out at the lack of any music. Add in PGI's borderline incompetence when it comes to things like communication and the incredibly shady way they made every single trial mech a champion mech to hide how god awful new player experience is, and a 5.5 seems fair.

Its not the worst thing ever, its also not the best thing ever. Its average. I'm not horrifically offended by it, nor does it leave any sort of lastin impression on me.

Then again, average isn't very good is it? Even the cruddiest game I've ever played has left some impression on me, even if its a terrible one. With MWO I just sort of go eh to the whole thing and shrug my shoulders. Its like watchin any random big action movie nowadays. You'll watch it, you'll enjoy all the pretty explosions and fun fights scenes. Then when its all over you'll forget 90% of what happened within half an hour.

Edited by shintakie, 17 September 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[Wired]

Livewyr, on 17 September 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Yup. Just, Yup.

(I'm still considering acquiring a mid level Phoenix so I can get the Saber- I want jumpjet mediums..and this game has SO much potential to be awesome that I still hold out hope for improvement- *and* it does seem like PGI is listening a little bit more recently: regarding UACs, PPCs/ERPPCs, for example.. and a no-BS post in the CC about backend programming. If the responsiveness increases continually, this game might just make it.

But they seem more like token gestures. I am trying to avoid the mistake of getting hopefully optimistic over a few minor things.

[Grisolm Redd]

I'd like a refund of the % my Founders money that went toward Mechwarrior Tactics.

Thanks.

[Livewyr]

Wired, on 17 September 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

But they seem more like token gestures. I am trying to avoid the mistake of getting hopefully optimistic over a few minor things.

Indeed, this my consideration.

I have the money set aside for purchasing.. just doing a little "wait and see" to see if it becomes a more secure investment.

[Jman5]

I've noticed some people seem skeptical of these 10/10 votes. I'd like to take a moment to explain why I voted as I did.

[Deathlike]

Jman5, on 17 September 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

I've noticed some people seem skeptical of these 10/10 votes. I'd like to take a moment to explain why I voted as I did.

You sir, won the Internets today.