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#821 Sandpit

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostNekki Basara, on 20 September 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Also how you can switch out of it, thereby negating any disadvantage.


I don't see the relevance? An armed robber has a gun, the fact that he has a choice to use it doesn't negate the fact that it is there and intended to be used for ill purposes. A player looking to exploit this option doesn't care about the fact that they can switch out of it other than that now means they can exploit to obtain an unfair tactical advantage for their team and then switch out of it to then engage in a firefight with the rest of his team after he has relayed the information.

I apologize Nikki, I misread your post I have redacted mine. Again I apologize

Edited by Sandpit, 20 September 2013 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostElizander, on 20 September 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:


What's there to buy? ;)

He should have said "don't waste your time." But he said "money," and it's common knowledge that "time=money." So use a simple substitution on that one :-D

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostRoka, on 20 September 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

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Seriously..... How old is everyone? Gotta love the internet. On one hand we have the "white knights" who are defending not the game itself, or even the developers, but the idea of what the game could be if allowed to grow, while ignoring some very real current issues. On the other we have the "haters" who like any immature person who feels scorned wants to sneak out and slash their ex-lovers tires and urinate in their gas tank proclaiming "that's what you get!" If they can't enjoy their company then no one can! Both sides are exaggerated extremes and completely ridiculous. Congrats on the few that are able to be level headed around here.

Relax people. It's just a game.

(edited to remove pointless opinion fluff)

Nah man, don't try and downplay it, that just makes it look worse. {Noble MechWarriors} don't factor in, your analogy is pretty good though. You can say it, it's a ****-stain on the community. How many times has their own community meta-bomb their own game, how many times has that happened.

You know, I have friends who I'm trying to get interested in the game, and this kind of childish tripe will look just like ****. When explaining all the positive aspects of the game, and they turn around and ask "Didn't their own community meta-bomb their own game?" What do I say to that? What do you say?

Edit: Heh, "Noble MechWarriors," interesting censor.

Edited by Moromillas, 20 September 2013 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:48 PM

This is a PR nightmare. Anybody who comes here will see that there’s controversy a plenty too many people have been ******** over and reading all over the net potential customers will see “oh devs haven’t delivered and went back on their word. Okay I’ll avoid that game” and the rush of whiteknighting doesn’t mean things are okay it just means mismanagement has completely polarised the playerbase.

There’s only one way to cure this and that is to deliver a quality product… which taking an hour to discover any newbie will find this game is a demo that can’t even offer turrets, hud toggles beyond zoom and battle grid, and 2 game modes.

Just think about this, remember when they did a reset and gave everyone 7 mil cbills to make up for it? Remember when they gave everyone 1 day’s worth premium on valentines day? the redeem button on the top menu bar of this forum, that was for that offer. i say this because newbies wouldn't know about it, that was when PGI thought they had a chance, igp pushing this launch under the gta V radar is one of many signs... From the people who brought us 3pv because “sometimes we care too much” they give you no incentive on launch but a medallion and thanks for the boosted statistics. It’s plain to see they are prepairing to scrap this game, tank it, cut their loses cause clearly white and black knights, they say retention and demographic, no loyal supporters and growth. Almost a year of collecting players and they still can’t show the player count. The amount of failed match finds just because of a tweak proves this isn’t a viable/sustainable product.

Guess we best wait another ten years for a proper mechwarrior game.

edit: i'm abstaining, i never have nor will i ever talk about MWO outside these forums. it's not fair on the company igp/pgi but the writing's been on the wall for ages, there are no surprises. i'll just watch this tank over the next few months {years if luck shines} and that will be that.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 20 September 2013 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:37 PM

View PostInterceptor12, on 20 September 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:


I see the appeal to emotion you played there, I believe it is the fallacy known as guilt trip if I'm not mistaken.
You're mistaken. It's called common sense. See, I don't **** in the swimming pool where I'm swimming. And - which maybe even harder for You to understand - I don't **** in the swimming pools I don't swim too.

View PostAlois Hammer, on 20 September 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:


There hasn't been a sentiment this [sarcasm] clearly brilliant [/sarcasm] expressed since Dubya announced "You're either with us or against us!" before invading Iraq for Hussein's (nonexistent) role in 9/11.
Thou I appreciate You political stance, I don't see anything common between[color="#0000cc"][/color]Metacritic's vote and invading Iraq. The next try You'll try to make an analogy remember: find proper one or You'll be doomed to specially mark Your sarcasm forever.

Edited by drunkblackstar, 20 September 2013 - 06:38 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:27 PM

Nope, they're both right. You used a terrible rhetorical device and you were called on it twice man.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:10 PM

42 pages in, and we can be summed up in a single image...


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:09 PM

View PostAerokii, on 20 September 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

42 pages in, and we can be summed up in a single image...



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indeed.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:33 PM

View PostSybreed, on 17 September 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

not selfish at all. PGI asked us money for their founders program in exchange of a game that fit our vision of a MW game (through their design pillars). They changed that vision to something almost polar opposite of what we wanted, but they still keep our money. Are we really being selfish here? I paid for a refrigerator, but I got an oven instead. Can't blame me for saying the oven doesn't keep my food fresh.

And thus we have the fundamental problem with subjectively driven opinions -

What in the game is the polar opposite of what you were told you would get?

How exactly is the game different from your vision of how it should be?

What are all the 'design pillars' you cite and how were they broken?

None of these questions have you answered, making your issues with the game unclear and your spoken opinions of it tantamount to making statements like "Pigs can fly, because i said so." I've read through a good number of the negative, mixed and yes even the positive reviews and cant help but come to the conclusion the vast majority of those people have no idea how the critique or review posting processes work... creating a perpetual cycle of misinformation. Of the few posts, good, bad or in between, that present an actual breakdown of their perspective, many cite inaccurate, misleading and outright untrue information... Such as "The best mechs are only available for money, total pay to win." The person that made that comment should be dragged back into a classroom by their reproductive organ and made to go through it all over again because it clearly didnt work the first time.

PGI told you you're going to get a fridge with features A, B, C, D, E, F and G. It turns out features A, B and C didnt translate well from the completely different medium in which those features were sourced so they needed to be modified while D, E, F and G havnt been added yet and while they said that feature H was unlikely and feature I and J werent being ruled out, you ended up getting I and J with H already on the way despite D, E, F and G still undelivered.

In essence, you paid for a refrigerator and now you're getting one, slowly, piece by piece, through the mail in an order such that it cant be assembled and functional yet. I certainly agree that your refrigerator is not keeping your food fresh, however it's due to being incomplete... not because it's an oven.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostDrxAbstract, on 20 September 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

And thus we have the fundamental problem with subjectively driven opinions -

What in the game is the polar opposite of what you were told you would get?

How exactly is the game different from your vision of how it should be?

What are all the 'design pillars' you cite and how were they broken?



Well 3pv and coolant flush come to mind

I don't know how you can get more polar opposite than "we will never use 3pv so don't worry about that and invest" to "we might implement 3pv but don't worry you'll never be forced to play against it if you don't want" to "well we are implementing it so deal with it" how exactly is that not the polar opposite of the initial statement?

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:02 PM

The statements of "be patient" "it will be implemented in the future" are no longer credible once the company breaks trust with a customer. This also doesn't take into account that many have been patient for over 2 years with absolutely no advancement made on any features that were design pillars. IE CW, lobbies, matchmaking improvements (although there have been minor adjustments to this one), UI2.0, I can go on if you like

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:40 PM

View PostSandpit, on 20 September 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Well 3pv and coolant flush come to mind

I don't know how you can get more polar opposite than "we will never use 3pv so don't worry about that and invest" to "we might implement 3pv but don't worry you'll never be forced to play against it if you don't want" to "well we are implementing it so deal with it" how exactly is that not the polar opposite of the initial statement?

Except they never said they wouldnt add 3pv and, contrary to your belief, there is no evidence to support otherwise and never has been. What we did have were certain people misconstruing PGI staff comments, twisting words and applying their own meaning to the comments made by those staff members. In reality, what they did say is they would consider it carefully because its implementation doesnt mesh well with their belief that the game works best as 1st Person and that's how they would like people to enjoy it.

Granted they made the mistake of not implementing it properly, and they admitted to that. However it has been corrected in a manner as to not interfere with the more competition-oriented players which was the largest and arguably the only valid point against 3pv implementation. What you have is a mentioned possibility, brought about by the very player base you're a part of, being incorrectly implemented and subsequently corrected... Hardly a polar opposite scenario.

As for the coolant flush, i'm not entirely certain of all the details involving it but my understanding of the situation is PGI said it was unlikely to happen because it didnt fall in the time line nor was it canon, but would be looked into.

Concerning the rest of your comments, from the start of Closed Beta to today, MWO has been running for 1 Year, 4 Months. Who are these players that have been waiting for 2 years? At best, the beginning of Open Beta, October 2012, is the starting point for the 'waiting'. In less than a year (By nearly a month) dozens of mechs have been added along with numerous, much higher priority operating refinements to critical areas of the game which would make the features you speak of pretty pointless to have if the aforementioned refinements didnt happen or took a back seat to.

In the end, you can make a list as long as you like. It doesnt change the fact (yes, i said fact) that it's a subjective and largely unfounded list of a complaints formulated through a perspective of impatience, spite and ignorance towards the people developing the game. Looking past the fact PGI is not a large production company with vast resources at their disposal, many of the 'polished' titles the game is being compared to spend several years under a microscope before the public is ever made aware of their existence and undergo several months and even years of refinement into the products they are today. You're watching MWO's evolutionary process unfold before your eyes where many titles would still have you in the dark and utterly clueless as to their existence... Welcome to game production?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:36 AM

View PostJacmac, on 20 September 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

The Metacritic user reviews are starting! Yay! They are also being taken down at PGI's request. Sunshine, lollypops, and rainbows - everything that's wonderful!

if true way too funny the simple fact they could even do it is funny but for them to do this just wow
I doubt it will happen but I kinda hope it does, it will make them look worse

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:47 AM

View PostMoromillas, on 20 September 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Nah man, don't try and downplay it, that just makes it look worse. {Noble MechWarriors} don't factor in, your analogy is pretty good though. You can say it, it's a ****-stain on the community. How many times has their own community meta-bomb their own game, how many times has that happened.

You know, I have friends who I'm trying to get interested in the game, and this kind of childish tripe will look just like ****. When explaining all the positive aspects of the game, and they turn around and ask "Didn't their own community meta-bomb their own game?" What do I say to that? What do you say?

Edit: Heh, "Noble MechWarriors," interesting censor.

GG close?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:55 AM

MWO deserves its low score on the merits, all emotion aside.

Graphics wise the game is a huge leap ahead of previous titles in the franchise, but then it should be given we are more than 10 years on from the last release. The graphics rate as merely acceptable, not great, not awful.

They have done a good job with the "feel" of battle, you really can believe you are watching war machines in battle if you want to immerse yourself, and the weapon effects are nice.

But as this game has no single player option, it must have an extremely compelling multi-player mode to rate a good score. Could anyone fairly say that it does? I don't think so. Game modes are repetitive and without real interest, the maps are small and without much in the way of tactical opportunities as movement is funnelled down the same few paths, there is no pre-launch feature to allow teams to optimise their drop package and so on. In terms of multi-player function it is grossly inferior to Mech4 in pretty much every respect.

I can see how a young player without any prior experience in the MechWarrior world that came before could think of this as a good release, but for people who have seen what can be done and what was done, MWO is a rather hollow experience. They've spent time and money on stuff no one cares about while ignoring critical aspects that everyone cares about. It has resulted in a game where some of those trivial elements are really excellent but the core game itself feels neglected and barren in places.

The lack of gaming experience on the design team is painfully obvious. While I am sure they've logged thousands of hours in other games, they've obviously not logged any serious play in MechWarrior before. They've been tripping over themselves since day one, making the same mistakes that were made by new players in MW4 and by the various mod teams that came later. Having people in the team who were part of that world 10 years ago could have given them the institutional knowledge to route around problem areas and come directly to the solutions that had to be found the hard way before.

In time they will probably learn from their mistakes just as all gamers do but I suspect they will run out of players and money before they get to that point. MWO should have been a game that built on the model and successes of MW4 and then took a leap into the future. Instead we see them trying to reinvent the wheel. It's unfortunate that after 2 years we are not even to the point of where MW4 left off, I can't imagine how much longer it will take to actually get past that point and into new territory.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:25 AM

A unfinished game with only the basic mechanics you call a techdemo or alpha.

Do you really want that i compare it with other games that are released?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:34 AM

View PostDrxAbstract, on 20 September 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

Except they never said they wouldnt add 3pv and, contrary to your belief, there is no evidence to support otherwise and never has been. What we did have were certain people misconstruing PGI staff comments, twisting words and applying their own meaning to the comments made by those staff members. In reality, what they did say is they would consider it carefully because its implementation doesnt mesh well with their belief that the game works best as 1st Person and that's how they would like people to enjoy it.

I guess you don't read the forums much.
I'm sure PGI has done their best to remove any evidence that they went back on their word (like removing the "first person" from the "How does gameplay work?" section of this website), but there are players with saved images of the various times that PGI have said they wouldn't put 3pv in the game, and then wouldn't force players who wanted nothing to do with 3pv to play with or against players using it.
It's not the players who are making biased polls that are worded so that many voted on it without reading properly, and quickly closing them in less than 24hours because a growing number of people were realising their mistake and removing their votes.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:45 AM

View PostWolfways, on 21 September 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

I guess you don't read the forums much.
I'm sure PGI has done their best to remove any evidence that they went back on their word (like removing the "first person" from the "How does gameplay work?" section of this website), but there are players with saved images of the various times that PGI have said they wouldn't put 3pv in the game, and then wouldn't force players who wanted nothing to do with 3pv to play with or against players using it.
It's not the players who are making biased polls that are worded so that many voted on it without reading properly, and quickly closing them in less than 24hours because a growing number of people were realising their mistake and removing their votes.

I've seen the posts as well as the pictures... I guess you need glasses and a few lessons in sentence structure and reading comprehension - It has never been stated that 3pv would never make it into the game, end of story. As to their implementation of 3pv, i've already addressed that topic. Polls and threads get removed because of their utter lack of constructive criticism or feedback.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:05 AM

View PostDrxAbstract, on 21 September 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

I've seen the posts as well as the pictures... I guess you need glasses and a few lessons in sentence structure and reading comprehension - It has never been stated that 3pv would never make it into the game, end of story. As to their implementation of 3pv, i've already addressed that topic. Polls and threads get removed because of their utter lack of constructive criticism or feedback.

In that case you must have seen this: http://mwomercs.com/...l/page__st__120
Von Pilsner's post shows Bryan clearly saying "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person" and goes on to list the options players will have.
How about further down where Garth says it "would simply be an additional option that, if you don't want it, won't affect you".

You were saying about reading comprehension?

Oh, and the 3pv community poll is stil there: http://mwomercs.com/...community-poll/ but i think most players who cared have given up hope or simply left the game. So i guess you and PGI win right? Grats.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:44 AM

View PostWolfways, on 21 September 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

In that case you must have seen this: http://mwomercs.com/...l/page__st__120
Von Pilsner's post shows Bryan clearly saying "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person" and goes on to list the options players will have.
How about further down where Garth says it "would simply be an additional option that, if you don't want it, won't affect you".

You were saying about reading comprehension?

Oh, and the 3pv community poll is stil there: http://mwomercs.com/...community-poll/ but i think most players who cared have given up hope or simply left the game. So i guess you and PGI win right? Grats.

There's a problem with your attempted and failed retort - I addressed 3pv as two separate topics because it is in fact two different issues that you're attempting to apply the same generalized logic to:

1. Whether or not PGI said they wouldnt add 3pv. (Which they never said they wouldnt)
2. How PGI implemented 3pv. (Which, as i stated previously, i already addressed)

Since you're clearly confused, see here:

View PostDrxAbstract, on 21 September 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

I've seen the posts as well as the pictures... I guess you need glasses and a few lessons in sentence structure and reading comprehension - It has never been stated that 3pv would never make it into the game, end of story. As to their implementation of 3pv, i've already addressed that topic. Polls and threads get removed because of their utter lack of constructive criticism or feedback.

Bolded for your convenience, referencing this post earlier in this very thread, also bolded:

View PostDrxAbstract, on 20 September 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

Except they never said they wouldnt add 3pv and, contrary to your belief, there is no evidence to support otherwise and never has been. What we did have were certain people misconstruing PGI staff comments, twisting words and applying their own meaning to the comments made by those staff members. In reality, what they did say is they would consider it carefully because its implementation doesnt mesh well with their belief that the game works best as 1st Person and that's how they would like people to enjoy it.

Granted they made the mistake of not implementing it properly, and they admitted to that. However it has been corrected in a manner as to not interfere with the more competition-oriented players which was the largest and arguably the only valid point against 3pv implementation. What you have is a mentioned possibility, brought about by the very player base you're a part of, being incorrectly implemented and subsequently corrected... Hardly a polar opposite scenario.

As for the coolant flush, i'm not entirely certain of all the details involving it but my understanding of the situation is PGI said it was unlikely to happen because it didnt fall in the time line nor was it canon, but would be looked into.

Concerning the rest of your comments, from the start of Closed Beta to today, MWO has been running for 1 Year, 4 Months. Who are these players that have been waiting for 2 years? At best, the beginning of Open Beta, October 2012, is the starting point for the 'waiting'. In less than a year (By nearly a month) dozens of mechs have been added along with numerous, much higher priority operating refinements to critical areas of the game which would make the features you speak of pretty pointless to have if the aforementioned refinements didnt happen or took a back seat to.

In the end, you can make a list as long as you like. It doesnt change the fact (yes, i said fact) that it's a subjective and largely unfounded list of a complaints formulated through a perspective of impatience, spite and ignorance towards the people developing the game. Looking past the fact PGI is not a large production company with vast resources at their disposal, many of the 'polished' titles the game is being compared to spend several years under a microscope before the public is ever made aware of their existence and undergo several months and even years of refinement into the products they are today. You're watching MWO's evolutionary process unfold before your eyes where many titles would still have you in the dark and utterly clueless as to their existence... Welcome to game production?


Like i said, i've already addressed the subject. You needing some lessons in reading still stands. Essentially, i acknowledged their mistake and more importantly their effort to correct it, which happens to invalidate the concerns of the people who made and participated in those polls... People that took a black and white stance on a subject that could easily be, and easily was, modified to fit both the casual and competitive venues of the game, something PGI knew well before they implemented it and why they went ahead with it. Looking at it from perspective different than that of the "3rd Person will end the world oh nooooesss!!" which lead to such topics and polls, the whole venture was ridiculously overblown and downright embarrassing to me as a member of this community.

If you knew how to read we could have avoided this whole charade but instead you're blind to what's in front of you; too busy wanting to be right when you are not. I dont much care about the mistakes people make - What i care about is what they do to fix it. Perhaps one day you'll stop living in the past.





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