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[Appogee]

Today I saw the lone surviving player on the enemy team deliberately run out of bounds, rather than go down fighting.

A cowardly act, and poor sportsmanship, certainly. Worse, I've seen the same guy do it more than once.

But is deliberately running out of bounds also a reportable offense?





What made it worse was that he was in a Spider. Some of us had spent a good part of the game trying in vain to hit his buggy behind as he ran in and out of skirmishes taking pot shots at us.

Edited by Appogee, 29 November 2013 - 02:05 AM.

[Dugra Dugrasson]

Leaving the battle is a legitimate tactic. Scummy? Dishonorable? Filthy? Flea-baggy? Maybe. It is still legitimate.

[Joseph Mallan]

Had no idea that retreating was a...

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[color=#959595]Scummy? Dishonorable? Filthy? Flea-baggy?[/color]

Tactic. Glad you never commanded soldiers. Thinking like that gets Commanders TKed.

[Egomane]

He participated in the battle for most of the match?
Check!

Did he leave other team mates to fight for themself?
Unknown! From the description, probably not.

Did he have a realistic chance of still winning the game?
Unknown! In a spider against multiple opponents, probably not.

Sounds fine to me, unless questions two or three could be answered with a "yes".

[ManDaisy]

If your gonna die, spite your enemy till the end. Next best thing is dying to overheating on purpose.

Edited by ManDaisy, 05 November 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[Durant Carlyle]

I often find myself the last survivor, with no hope of actually beating the enemy leftovers or winning by cap. I've thought about leaving the battlefield many times, but have never actually done it. Hmmm...

[Appogee]

So it's ok to suicide rather than fight it out? I'm genuinely surprised that that's considered ok.

A little while ago, I won the match for my team when I was the last player in my Jenner, single-handedly taking out the four remaining enemy heavies. My team expressed their appreciation that I wasn't a quitter, and even some on the enemy team congratulated me.

@Joseph: ''retreating'' != ''suiciding'' IMHO.

[ManDaisy]

well... cherry red center versus 3-4 yellow no armor penetrated mechs... good luck with that. I suspect its not cowardice, but denying the satisfaction of the the finishing blow.

Edited by ManDaisy, 05 November 2013 - 10:27 AM.

[Epathian]

ManDaisy, on 05 November 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

well... cherry red center versus 3-4 yellow no armor penetrated mechs... good luck with that. I suspect its not cowardice, but denying the satisfaction of the the finishing blow.

Yes you sir Win todays Cookie award!

[Hammerhai]

I suppose it is the answer to roflstomp gg. Must remember.

[Mr D One]

No.

But there should be an "Arena mode" with no escape possible.

[Magna Canus]

Joseph Mallan, on 05 November 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Had no idea that retreating was a...
Tactic. Glad you never commanded soldiers. Thinking like that gets Commanders TKed.

Agreed to the above, but maybe few besides those who have served in active duty consider it that way.

I have also seen a Jenner pilot or two finish off the last 3 or 4 remaining, highly damaged, mechs before. While this is highly commendable, not everybody can pull it off and definitely not in "any old mech". I salute each and every one of you that can.
That being said, if a team mate has participated actively in the battle to the best of their abilities and still ends up the last man standing with no apparent hope of winning, I don’t see an issue with them leaving the battlefield and denying the enemy team that last +1 to their KDR.

When the word “honor” enters the argument we should note that it was considered “honorable” to allow a defeated enemy to retreat, not cut them down in blood lust which was seen as “dishonorable”.

I think you need to define for yourself the exact reason why you are upset that you/your team did not make that last kill. The truth might be uglier than you want to admit.

[-Muta-]

I have done it myself and will do it depending on the situation. I remember once in Alpine peaks using my PPC spider I got my arm taken away and that it for me.

So there was nothing I could do, they had a couple medium mechs fast enough to prevent me from attempt a cap so I just ran OofB

[Fut]

Appogee, on 05 November 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Today I saw the lone surviving player on the enemy team deliberately run out of bounds, rather than let the enemy team kill him.

Why would you ever expect somebody to let you kill them?

He left the engagement rather than being destroyed, there's nothing wrong with that, especially if he held out to the very last moment - which it sounds like he did.
Just pretend that CW is active, the win should be more important to you than 1 kill.

[Bacon_Warrior88]

Hey, if he had no chance I'm for it. Better than tying up my mech in the game any longer than it has to

[Appogee]

This is a game where...
* there is a huge grind to buy equipment and Mechs
* the ability to earn CBills has recently been nerfed
* some team members withdraw from battle early and hide, sometimes causing their team to lose prematurely
* there is no reward for ''surviving'' a match (other than a k/d stat, which is meaningless because it only recognises ''final blow'')

... and yet, you think it's ok for a defeated team member to run away and blow themselves up, to deny the winning team the full CBill reward of their victory...(?!)

[Appogee]

Magnakanus, on 06 November 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

I think you need to define for yourself the exact reason why you are upset that you/your team did not make that last kill. The truth might be uglier than you want to admit.

It's very simple, and there's nothing ugly about it.

I PUG night after night. I fight to the death. I am often the sole surviving player on my useless PUG team (thank you matchmaker) but I will keep fighting because there's a damn good chance I will take out several enemy Mechs before I die. That will generate CBill rewards for me and anyone on my team that damaged that Mech during the game.

If I die, so be it, the enemy team were better and they deserve the CBill rewards for it. I'm not going to spitefully run out of bounds, serving no purpose other than to force my opponents to grind CBills longer.

Edited by Appogee, 07 November 2013 - 01:30 AM.

[Magna Canus]

Appogee, on 07 November 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

It's very simple, and there's nothing ugly about it.

I PUG night after night. I fight to the death. I am often the sole surviving player on my useless PUG team (thank you matchmaker) but I will keep fighting because there's a damn good chance I will take out several enemy Mechs before I die. That will generate CBill rewards for me and anyone on my team that damaged that Mech during the game.

If I die, so be it, the enemy team were better and they deserve the CBill rewards for it. I'm not going to spitefully run out of bounds, serving no purpose other than to force my opponents to grind CBills longer.

So let me get this right: the earnings on a kill assist are 6,500(Assault)/3,200(Conquest) or for the kill 4,300(Assault)/2,100(Conquest) which makes on average LESS THAN HALF HALF of the cost of an MG and you are so pi$$-poor that this makes up a world breaking ammount in your earnings? And that 0,5 MG is more important to you than letting an enemy go that had no chance to win and would only serve as another notch under your belt? That sounds a bit anti-social to me.

The main issue here is the game economy if "the grind" is your only worry. Next time try typing in chat "Stand still and let me kill you... I need the money". With 1767 posts by now you should be at that point in the game where a few C-bills more or less make no significant difference.

[Red Klown X]

Play as you want , dont troll and dont try to explain that s your way of play is the best !

[General Solo]

If Im the last one standing and surrounded by enemies close by I plant an artillery or air strike at my mechs feet, I once got a kill after I died that way