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[DrSlamastika]

I'll buy every single hero mech which I like and fit to my collection.
Because I want support this game and I missed founders pack.

For this moment I have only 4 regular heroes and 4 phoenix half heroes

Edited by DrSlamastika, 20 November 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[Greyboots]

C Lochiel, on 20 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

This is not a complaint thread. I am fully aware MWO is here to pay someone's bills and all that. In fact, I went to buy some MC because I wanted to support MWO and keep the bills paid. I figured that because I was enjoying the game it deserved my financial support. And I figured I'd spend $15 or so, get a Hero mech I can't get any other way, spend the remainder on paint or something.

So I was fairly surprised when I saw that a Hero Assault mech cost $40. For reference, I rarely spend $30 on a full game. I say this without vitriol, that price tag dissuaded me from buying a mech with real money. I cannot comprehend people who own multiple hero mechs.

So, I ask this out of curiosity; why is any single mech worth spending $40 for? Am I missing another, less expensive, way of acquiring MC? Help me understand this. I'm perfectly willing to only spend MC on paint, mech bays, and premium time; but before I do I'd like to understand why Hero Mechs are priced so high.

It's a balance.

A champion mech gives you a 10% XP bonus. This applies at any time, not matter how long you keep the mech.. You play that mech, you get the XP bonus, forever.

A hero Mech gives you a 30% cBill boost bonus. This applies at any time, not matter how long you keep the mech.. You play that mech, you get the cBill bonus, forever.

Premium time gives you a +50% cBill bonus and +50% XP bonus for the period of time you purchased. This applies to all match earnings and applies to any mech you drive whether it be standard, Hero or Champion. The tradeoff is that the bonus is limited to the duration of the premium time rather than a one-off purchase.

Now, these bonuses stack. So, if you are playing a Hero Mech AND have premium time, you will get a +80% (50% + 30%) cBill bonus.

Now. Do you absolutely love Jagermechs and will be playing them forever? Well, the Firebrand starts looking really good. You don't have to pay for premium time to get a cBill boost to buy other mechs and equipment faster as, in the long run, you'll get your money's worth over time. It's an expensive one-off purchase that seems kind of steep but the ongoing nature of the bonus can become well worth it eventually.

If you want to play a variety of mechs? Then Premium time is quite possibly the way to go because it's larger than either the hero or champion bonus (faster to train mechs and buy upgrades) and is universal to any mech or variant you might want to play.

If you have bucks burning a hole in your wallet? Go ahead and get both! The bonuses stack so you can buy a day of premium time when necessary, play your Hero/Champion mech at the same time, get huge bonuses and it's no skin off your nose how expensive it is.

Myself? I wouldn't buy a hero or champion mech. I'm with you, they are too expensive for my tastes as I want to play a variety of mechs, not a select few. This means I can pay for premium time piecemeal instead fo laying out big bucks up front to buy a range of hero mechs. My friend? He loves his jagers so he bought a firebrand. He doesn't have to worry about ongoing costs, it's there, it's done. He just fires up the game, drops in with the firebrand, and there's his extra money when he thinks he needs it. Another friend? Well, he's got a cushy job. When he started the game he bought the Phoenix pack, most of the Hero mechs and premium time all in one go. Every time he sneezes money flies out of his nose so he doesn't care.

It's about a structure where people on very different budgets have options that suit them from the free player right through to the guy who thinks a wallet fulll of $50 notes is "loose change".

Edited by Greyboots, 20 November 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

OldOrgandonor, on 20 November 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

I guess it depends on how you budget for your entertainment, and what you personally find entertaining.

True dat

OldOrgandonor, on 20 November 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

You almost can't see a movie in a theater for less than $20 a person, and that only lasts a couple of hours at best.

I live in a relatively small town, and maybe it is different in the rest of the US/Canada/Wherever the rest of you are, but there are frequently times I can get into a theater for <$10....
Not often mind you, but fairly regularly.

[Mycrus]

So my hero count

Assault - Boar's head / dragon slayer / pretty baby
Heavy - Fang / Flame / Jester / Muromets
Medium - Wang
Light - TDK

I buy them - because I can..

Look at it this way... I use a usd80 laptop bag for work... My wife uses a usd2000 handbag (this is "low end" in handbag terms)..

Either buy what you like or don't.. Stop acting like a spacepoor and complain about prices...

Btw, jobs are OP.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Mycrus, on 20 November 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Btw, jobs are OP.

They are, especially in the current economic environment.
And let us leave it at that before this turns political and gets us in trouble, eh?

....PS Googles watching

[Xeno Phalcon]

Hero mechs, paints and camos have been severely over priced basically from the get go. Even from a aesthetic point of view most of its just way too extreme. Fortunately no ones required to buy any of this pricey stuff, even with the grind trying desperately to hedge us into hero/premium purchases when it comes down to it you dont need to spend real money at all to do well in MWO, and in some cases the hero versions are considered to be WORSE than the standard variants. The only real exception to this rule is mechbays, four mechbays just ain't enough for anyone that plays more then very casually, fortunately those arnt terribly expensive when compared to everything else.....though most players need to buy several of them with the more active ones having 60-70 mechbays.O.o

[Edustaja]

Prices are either high or "decent" depending on which game you compare them to.
Games like World of Tanks and Star Citizen seem to have even more expensive items. Most free to play titles come with high initial prices combined with large discounts. Discounts and packs make you feel that you got a good deal even though you just bought virtual items High prices keep the whales spending.

MWO is the type of game that will remain somewhat of a niche market whatever you do so higher prices to get high investment/player might be a good way to go. Add in some very good sales and starter packs to get the people who want to spend less onboard.

Edited by Edustaja, 20 November 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[xengk]

C Lochiel, on 20 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

This is not a complaint thread. I am fully aware MWO is here to pay someone's bills and all that. In fact, I went to buy some MC because I wanted to support MWO and keep the bills paid. I figured that because I was enjoying the game it deserved my financial support. And I figured I'd spend $15 or so, get a Hero mech I can't get any other way, spend the remainder on paint or something.

So I was fairly surprised when I saw that a Hero Assault mech cost $40. For reference, I rarely spend $30 on a full game. I say this without vitriol, that price tag dissuaded me from buying a mech with real money. I cannot comprehend people who own multiple hero mechs.

So, I ask this out of curiosity; why is any single mech worth spending $40 for? Am I missing another, less expensive, way of acquiring MC? Help me understand this. I'm perfectly willing to only spend MC on paint, mech bays, and premium time; but before I do I'd like to understand why Hero Mechs are priced so high.

The heavier the mech the bigger the price tag and vice versa.

If you have your eye on a particular Hero, hang on to your MC. Hero mech goes on sales about once a month, and if the one you want in among the list, get it then.
People buy Hero for all sort of reason, some like you want to financially support the game, some enjoy the chassis and want to expand their rides, some are collector who gotta catch 'em all.

As other have mentioned, Hero mech comes bundle with some perks.
+30% Cbill gain per match
Unique camo
Different weapon hardpoints (some people claim are too good)

[627]

Just a Note:

If you want to max out your spend money, I'd recommend to wait some weeks.

Last year around black friday/christmas (?) was an MC sale so it's not soooo far out that there is one ths year (at least, there was no other, not even to release). Maybe there won't be another one but who knows.

That would give you some more MC for yur money. And if you then wait for a hero mech sale like last week, your 15$ could be enough for one.

[Victor Morson]

Voivode, on 20 November 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Depends on what hero you want. Try a Yen-lo-wang, X5, or Death's Knell if you don't feel like dropping big money. They are all excellent mechs.

LIES*

* X5 is alright.

Edited by Victor Morson, 20 November 2013 - 10:50 PM.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Because not that many people know the value of saving money and we will likely have an epidemic of homeless old people later in life.

[Victor Morson]

xengk, on 20 November 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

The heavier the mech the bigger the price tag and vice versa.

Which reflects the screwed up way PGI thinks of 'mechs ("Atlas is top tier, it's 100 tons, right?") really. It should be based on 'mech quality, but I think in most cases they don't understand what they've developed. A Pretty Baby costs far more than a Firebrand, Ilya, etc. and yet is far, far worse.

Werewolf486, on 20 November 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Because not that many people know the value of saving money and we will likely have an epidemic of homeless old people later in life.

The most hilarious thing is they censor a ludicrous number of words on these forums - including common first names and word combinations, yet in-game, I see people breaking out Tarantino levels of language and even account names unhindered.

I think turning off the chat box entirely is a bad idea but man, they could at least try to filter it or let you mute specific players, at least, given this isn't an M rated game.

EDIT: And this is coming from someone who swears like a sailor playing L4D.

Edited by Victor Morson, 20 November 2013 - 10:55 PM.

[Mycrus]

Werewolf486, on 20 November 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Because not that many people know the value of saving money and we will likely have an epidemic of homeless old people later in life.

Yes, because the homeless will be alright if they had the $450 I spent on this game...

Savings is overrated btw. Assuming your a typical salaryman, that "savings" won't cover you when you retire..

Investing is where the meta is at...

[NaZotH]

Just checked how much i have spend on this and total is 490$ and that includes the overlord package with saber and 4 hero mechs. Thats a lot to put in a game.

But then again i have played 9551 games so far and if the standard match is 8 mins thats a total off 1273 hours of gameplay. I still think this is cheap fun.

Edited by NaZotH, 20 November 2013 - 11:54 PM.

[sneeking]

thats why its free to play with micro transactions in app, it's a proven formula.

[Kotzi]

No need for money to have fun. There is no reason for me to buy anything anyway. What is the reason for the higher Price? Bigger equals better, i doubt that. But why do i have to pay more. I would pay if the prices were reasonable. I would even pay these prices if the developers would be releasing content regularly. But as it seems there hasnt been any major changes for a year? That is very inconvenient and does not encourage me to spend money. Although i am still tempted to do so some times, but then reality kicks in and i ask myself what for? So that i can sit on the extra Cbills and XP without anything to spend them on? No thanks, just because i can doesnt mean i have to spend money. I would feel...

Wonder how much more money they got after those 5 Millions. As it seems there has still been money comin in. So with 5 Millions+ (for a year?) thats all they got to offer? A base frame of a good game, really just the basics, and a bunch of Moneymakers?

[627]

Victor Morson, on 20 November 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Which reflects the screwed up way PGI thinks of 'mechs ("Atlas is top tier, it's 100 tons, right?") really. It should be based on 'mech quality, but I think in most cases they don't understand what they've developed. A Pretty Baby costs far more than a Firebrand, Ilya, etc. and yet is far, far worse.



The most hilarious thing is they censor a ludicrous number of words on these forums - including common first names and word combinations, yet in-game, I see people breaking out Tarantino levels of language and even account names unhindered.

I think turning off the chat box entirely is a bad idea but man, they could at least try to filter it or let you mute specific players, at least, given this isn't an M rated game.

EDIT: And this is coming from someone who swears like a sailor playing L4D.

hmm all I see everytime in gmaechat is all possible variants of "BACON"

oh yes, and ******* of course but i think that this word is banned here, too.

/yepp, these forums are afraid of female *******. These morale standards here are so hilarious

Edited by 627, 21 November 2013 - 12:52 AM.

[Appogee]

C Lochiel, on 20 November 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

$40 FOR A MECH?

But it's only been driven on Sundays, by a little old lady, on her way to Church.

[Training Instructor]

Buy a bit of MC and spend it on mechbays. Which hero you should invest in largely depends on which chassis you like to drive. I wouldn't recommend buying a hero that you're not sure if you'll enjoy.

Last hero I bought was the X5. Still kind of kicking myself for buying the Flame instead of the Ilya.
Oh, and I bought the Phoenix package, which has three equivalent hero mechs that come with it. *I don't count the Locust as a hero because 30% of a terrible cbill match isn't much of a bonus*

[Modo44]

Kotzi, on 21 November 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

No need for money to have fun. There is no reason for me to buy anything anyway. What is the reason for the higher Price? Bigger equals better, i doubt that. But why do i have to pay more. I would pay if the prices were reasonable.

They are, just not for you.

What you buy depends on your budget. You can have quite some fun at no cost. You can have a lot more cheaply (buy mechbays with one large MC package). You can customize your mechs, get early access, and buy some XP/Cbill boosts for however much you decide to spend. Finally, there is the hero assault mech -- the unique, expensive, flaunt it option for people with lots of disposable income. This is a simple business model, and including the "stupid" offers is necessary to draw a certain kind of customer.