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[Mudhutwarrior]

Honestly we need ingame voice where every team dropped has comms with each other. It would speed up the learning curve in a big way and level the field somewhat. You can discuss strategy,loadout etc, in the lobby and newbs can pick up what they need to know quickly, know who to stick with and when they do something stupid and dangerous you can instantly call them out of it.

Many don' t want it because they will lose the advantage but for the game as a whole its probably the best way to retain new players and destroy the divisions were creating.

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 29 November 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Honestly we need ingame voice where every team dropped has comms with each other. It would speed up the learning curve in a big way and level the field somewhat. You can discuss strategy,loadout etc, in the lobby and newbs can pick up what they need to know quickly, know who to stick with and when they do something stupid and dangerous you can instantly call them out of it.

Many don' t want it because they will lose the advantage but for the game as a whole its probably the best way to retain new players and destroy the divisions were creating.

I await the day for in-game voip like a thirsty man who walks the desert with only a spoon full of water to drink.
A mute option that is easy to use is a must tho.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 29 November 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Honestly we need ingame voice where every team dropped has comms with each other. It would speed up the learning curve in a big way and level the field somewhat. You can discuss strategy,loadout etc, in the lobby and newbs can pick up what they need to know quickly, know who to stick with and when they do something stupid and dangerous you can instantly call them out of it.

Many don' t want it because they will lose the advantage but for the game as a whole its probably the best way to retain new players and destroy the divisions were creating.

You have this wrong, I think. I doubt any players are against including in game VOiP. What we keep saying is, there is a work around in place, until VOiP is put in game. Every team that drops deserves VOiP. Until then there is TS3 servers waiting for players.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

huh.... there is no 4man queue. There is 12 man queues and everyone else.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 November 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

You have this wrong, I think. I doubt any players are against including in game VOiP. What we keep saying is, there is a work around in place, until VOiP is put in game. Every team that drops deserves VOiP. Until then there is TS3 servers waiting for players.

Sorry Joe, I don't believe that statement for a new york second. Far to much resistance, name calling and pile ons here to justify that statement.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

Blurry, on 23 November 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

premades should have your q.
let pugs be pugs

and you can do whatever you want in your q.

Sorry but I have had really bad experiences with arrogant premades and the tirades that come out of them.
I would rather solo q and pug life away from those leet players.

see good idea here pgi? lobbies or something? you know so people that WANT to play together can have fun playing together....

or would that hurt the bottom line?

[Mudhutwarrior]

Some of us enjoy the game in it's basic form. We like dropping with random players and dukeing it out. Forcing us to go against premade teams with voip ruins that experience and premade fans want to force everyone into their box. Pugs dont want to force anyone into gameplay they are not into they just want to enjoy it their way without constant stomping and feeling like they must join a premade to even enjoy the game.

I would support separate ques except for the argument there is not enough players to do so. So instead I say give us ingame voip to even the play if we are forced to drop against premades. That being said you will see the attacks begin. I am here trying to compromise to solve an issue since the games inception. You will not see the premade fanboys do the same because for them its all or nothing and its only their way. Just read throught the threads and see who will support compromise and who do nothing but try to block anything that will lose them advantage in xp and cbill farming at the cost of losing players.

[Wispsy]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Some of us enjoy the game in it's basic form. We like dropping with random players and dukeing it out. Forcing us to go against premade teams with voip ruins that experience and premade fans want to force everyone into their box. Pugs dont want to force anyone into gameplay they are not into they just want to enjoy it their way without constant stomping and feeling like they must join a premade to even enjoy the game.

I would support separate ques except for the argument there is not enough players to do so. So instead I say give us ingame voip to even the play if we are forced to drop against premades. That being said you will see the attacks begin. I am here trying to compromise to solve an issue since the games inception. You will not see the premade fanboys do the same because for them its all or nothing and its only their way. Just read throught the threads and see who will support compromise and who do nothing but try to block anything that will lose them advantage in xp and cbill farming at the cost of losing players.

How do you know most people will not just turn it off like in every other game? Lots of time spent for a relatively slow development studio so one ***** can yell "**** YOU NOOB" at some other *****...I always turn ingame voice off no matter what, if I want to talk to people I will get them on ts or skype etc. Both of which are free, easily available and better quality.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Wispsy, on 30 November 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

How do you know most people will not just turn it off like in every other game? Lots of time spent for a relatively slow development studio so one ***** can yell "**** YOU NOOB" at some other *****...I always turn ingame voice off no matter what, if I want to talk to people I will get them on ts or skype etc. Both of which are free, easily available and better quality.

Talk about missing the point. So turn it off then.

[CravenMadness]

Oh hey, look... It's mudhutwarrior slingin' again! Wooo and hey look what his target is... It's 'Dem duurty Preemaids!' Hahahahaha..

"Sorry Joe, I don't believe that statement for a new york second. Far to much resistance, name calling and pile ons here to justify that statement. "

Sorry sir, but every single time you post about 'VOIP NOT IN GAME NOT FAIR EVIL PREMADE' there are dozens of folks agreeing about the need for in game voice, but also pointing out that for those who -actually- want to use voice there are options.

For those who just want to ***** and whine about why they're losing or just don't feel good unless they have something they can play whipping boy martyr for, then there is forum. And hey! Why don't the FORUMS have voice so I can let EVERYONE know my OPINION in the loudest voice POSSIBLE! Evil Forum Premades and their ... Text typing to communicate... It's just WRONG and it's hampering my team's ability to FORUM WARRIOR!

[Mudhutwarrior]

CravenMadness, on 30 November 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Oh hey, look... It's mudhutwarrior slingin' again! Wooo and hey look what his target is... It's 'Dem duurty Preemaids!' Hahahahaha..

"Sorry Joe, I don't believe that statement for a new york second. Far to much resistance, name calling and pile ons here to justify that statement. "

Sorry sir, but every single time you post about 'VOIP NOT IN GAME NOT FAIR EVIL PREMADE' there are dozens of folks agreeing about the need for in game voice, but also pointing out that for those who -actually- want to use voice there are options.

For those who just want to ***** and whine about why they're losing or just don't feel good unless they have something they can play whipping boy martyr for, then there is forum. And hey! Why don't the FORUMS have voice so I can let EVERYONE know my OPINION in the loudest voice POSSIBLE! Evil Forum Premades and their ... Text typing to communicate... It's just WRONG and it's hampering my team's ability to FORUM WARRIOR!

Still stinging from last time you attacked with no argument?

[CravenMadness]

Would just like to re-state, that I one hundred percent agree that voice should have been among the first things put into the game. That being said, as soon as I discovered that there wasn't in game voice, I went and found out how to group up and use TS3 (for free hosted by the developers of the free game I was playing) and used the voice chat -there-.

There's a wide world out there bub. Go take some initiative.

[Mudhutwarrior]

lol, initiative.

I play pug only. That' s initiative.

If I ever feel the need for crutches I will join teamspeak. My scores are valid not inflated and I would prefer to keep it that way.

[SilentWolff]

Back on topic........
Concerning the OP's original premise, he's absolutely correct. Higher ELO's are actually punished for taking anything other than what the meta will allow for victory. Why is this? Cause they group you up with **** players and expect you to carry the whole team, whether your in the meta Highlander/ Cataphract, or a Locust with no pilot skillz. Certainly part of the problem is no tonnage limits, but this just compounds the real problem of some arbitrary formula that clearly doesnt work.

[Tahribator]

There is no 4 man queue. However, it seems like the game averages the Elo of a group. So if I'm grouped with my beginner friend, I notice the games get really easy for me; I'm matched with other newbies. If I'm grouped with my other oldie friend, we get harder games against similiar opponents.

The OP's situation seems like he normally belongs to a low Elo category, but his friends inflate the groups Elo so they're matched against better opponents than he's used to. Or he's always played with his friends and artificially inflated his Elo with the "4 man effect"(teamwork>).

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

lol, initiative.

I play pug only. That' s initiative.

If I ever feel the need for crutches I will join teamspeak. My scores are valid not inflated and I would prefer to keep it that way.

You pug and that's showing initiative? I think not. That's just the way you choose to play the game so please don't play the martyr card its getting old and fooling nobody. Shutting yourself off from using TS or other such is doing nothing but limiting the scope of the game for yourself but hey, if that's how you want to play it i got no problem until you start your moaning about exploiting premades etc. etc.
TS isn't a crutch its a tool that's there to be used by everyone, even you should you so choose to use it. Its no different than having in-game voip and its only hassle is that its a third party program that you have to setup and run yourself.

[Flyby215]

I'd be really curious to know exactly how many pre-mades are out there in every game. I mean, I'm mostly a PUGger, but I also play with friends from work and occasionally people I've met online... but I would hardly define it as "try-hard" or any sort of coordination other than "OMG so-and-so is shooting me, help!"

I would suspect the vast majority of pre-mades are just that, friends playing together.

TexAss, on 22 November 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

haha ask me. My ELO in heavies and assaults seems so high now that I have constantly to play against Kaffeeangst, Wispy and their crew who mostly drop as 4-man. And I'm only pugging all the time.
And no way to go back -.-

There's the crux of it. There are players out there who are ultra-competitive, very skilled, and teaming up with other very-skilled ultra-competitive players to enjoy very good win/loss records and high kill/death ratios.

Setting up premades vs premades and pugs vs pugs might resolve this problem, but it screws the majority of people are just want to play casually with a few buddies (which I suspect would be the silent majority).

Weight restrictions hopefully will help, since it will soften up those 4-man Highlander/Victor groups, without having to rework the entire PUG/Premade Elo system by segregating the population.

[Almeras]

Tahribator, on 30 November 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

The OP's situation seems like he normally belongs to a low Elo category, but his friends inflate the groups Elo so they're matched against better opponents than he's used to.

My ELO is probably the highest in the group that's the issue if i join a 4man with a tool around mech the 4man+the pugs will get smashed.

The issues is the games sees elo like this

Player X1 = 40elo
Player X2 = 10elo
Player Y1 = 40elo
Player Y2 = 10elo
Balanced game


But in reality its this
Player X1 = 40elo Locust basic
Player X2 = 10elo Dragon(c)
Player Y1 = 40elo AC40 jager
Player Y2 = 10elo Jenner
Not a balanced game

Its not a fun match for anyone on the X team

[Mudhutwarrior]

KharnZor, on 30 November 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

You pug and that's showing initiative? I think not. That's just the way you choose to play the game so please don't play the martyr card its getting old and fooling nobody. Shutting yourself off from using TS or other such is doing nothing but limiting the scope of the game for yourself but hey, if that's how you want to play it i got no problem until you start your moaning about exploiting premades etc. etc.
TS isn't a crutch its a tool that's there to be used by everyone, even you should you so choose to use it. Its no different than having in-game voip and its only hassle is that its a third party program that you have to setup and run yourself.

Actually it is. Its a self inflicted nerf. Probably the biggest nerf there is a past bringing a boat with no ammo and small lasers.
You guys can make any excuse you want but the truth is its the biggest advantage in the game and its far from team play. It does more to split teams than anything else. Rarely does a premade communicate to the rest by keyboard and when they do its 50/50 that they will direct pugs in to soak damage and give them easier kills. No skill there.
Concentrating fire makes sure no matter how good the pug pilot is and his mech he wont last long. When you pug you need to be aware of these things and prepare for them. You have to use hud and loadout displays and intuition. Premeades rely on what they hear. Case in point I fight along side these premade defenders all the time and when they pug they are not effective. Had two matches yesterday with big names here pugging. They didn't last long at all.
Just think of losing your comms in a fight and getting separated. Pugs do every game.

I think you will find that if in game voice ever arrives you will see some monster threats from regular pugs. Were used to dropping with the unknown variables, adapting and overcoming. That's the real training grounds for mech warriors,. Not premades developing dependencies.

I will wait for ingame rather than bring unfair advantage to the field. Just my opinion so you can do what you want.

[Wispsy]

Mudhutwarrior, on 01 December 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

Actually it is. Its a self inflicted nerf. Probably the biggest nerf there is a past bringing a boat with no ammo and small lasers.
You guys can make any excuse you want but the truth is its the biggest advantage in the game and its far from team play. It does more to split teams than anything else. Rarely does a premade communicate to the rest by keyboard and when they do its 50/50 that they will direct pugs in to soak damage and give them easier kills. No skill there.
Concentrating fire makes sure no matter how good the pug pilot is and his mech he wont last long. When you pug you need to be aware of these things and prepare for them. You have to use hud and loadout displays and intuition. Premeades rely on what they hear. Case in point I fight along side these premade defenders all the time and when they pug they are not effective. Had two matches yesterday with big names here pugging. They didn't last long at all.
Just think of losing your comms in a fight and getting separated. Pugs do every game.

I think you will find that if in game voice ever arrives you will see some monster threats from regular pugs. Were used to dropping with the unknown variables, adapting and overcoming. That's the real training grounds for mech warriors,. Not premades developing dependencies.

I will wait for ingame rather than bring unfair advantage to the field. Just my opinion so you can do what you want.

Some of us cannot find a game if we try and drop solo any more...(well except if wanting to play a blackjack). But claiming that premades and pugs are two different sets of people is amusing. Most people who choose not to use 3rd party free very effective programs are not going to want to use an ingame one. Now I am not against them putting one in, but seriously, have you seen the speed UI 2.0 is moving at? And I am not even talking about the backend stuff. It is simply not a priority when it is going to be worse then what is currently available and will probably have some ear crushing flaw or they will decide it does not need a mute button because just like auto-rebuy consumables it is just too hard??? all the while, most people will not use it...as they already use ts/vent/skype/rc/mumble/c3 etc, all of which are going to be better quality with better options, or they chose not to use them because they do not want to talk to people on this game (for whatever reason, there are millions)...Even on xbox games like CoD where you cannot even chat the moment somebody starts talking 80% of the room mute them cursing that they have to do this every time.


tl:dr It will not be as used and useful as you think, all the while making every other aspect of the game take much much longer, whilst being worse quality then what is currently available. Also I think your view on what kind of people make premades is slightly biased.

Edited by Wispsy, 01 December 2013 - 07:03 AM.