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[Deathlike]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I guess Bryan and I tweeting back and forth about Seahawks (Told ya we'd kick their butts at the stick Bryan btw lol) don't count? Nor do my other gaming buddies that I play NCAA and Madden with?

Had you made a bet where Bryan would promise to speed up dev on CW (or something along those lines) had the Seahawks had lost, it would've been interesting. Now you disappoint me.

(Note: I picked the Seahawks to win though.)

Edited by Deathlike, 09 December 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[WarHippy]

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

lol, I think your delusional if you don't think the PC industry as a whole is dying....and has been for some time. They only difference with me is I don't blame phones and ipads for its decline. But its a fact regardless dude.... Ignorance is bliss in your case. http://www.forbes.co...-will-be-worse/

Sales have declined for a lot of different reasons including people not needing to upgrade as often. A lot of people skip entire OS cycles, but even then in your link the industry has moved 314million new PCs this year and that is nothing to complain about. Do companies need to consolidate and adjust their business plans as the market changes? Absolutely, but that is hardly a sign that the industry has died. The PC market has been saturated, or even stagnated over the last decade causing its sales to shrink. We went from very few people using PCs let alone having them in their homes to now where almost everyone uses and has them. When everyone was getting their first and second PCs the sellers were having a windfall that allowed them to expand to meet demand, but now that the demand has slowed a great deal you see a lot of companies shut down or shrink because they exceed what is needed to fill the current markets needs.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

I've just described two games they stopped making since 2008. Golf games made for new hardware....and football... That means by any company, not just ea sports...

Like I said sport games have found a home on the consoles, and is hardly a sign of some sort of apocalyptic end times scenario.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

I've ben saying it for 10+ years lol.

You are just more of the noise that has been saying that same thing for the last 15+ years like I said.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

I said games that ONLY support dx11 and DO NOT support DX9.... or fully utilize more then 2 cpu cores. I can only name one that I know of BF3, there might be a couple others....but it can't be more then a handful. You again failed to name a single one.

Most PC games support more than just DX11 because there are a lot of different computer configurations out there and most companies want to make sure the games are playable across a lot of different configs. Since you need at least one to be appeased I will give Crysis 3 as a DX11 only game.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

lol are you an industry dude? We are in a thread of people asking why noone plays this game. The sad truth is, for pc communities, this one is large haha. I'm explaining why and will be, out of nostalgia, until consoles offer mouse and keyboard, which is all that keeps me pc gaming.

We don't know what the population is on this game to judge it against others, but forum traffic alone would indicate it is not particularly high. I will say with some rather high certainty that WoW, LoL, EvE, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, Starcraft 2, and many more have far higher populations than this game.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

When every game is a free to play model or ends up being one, that is telling, If you are under some belief that model means more money for these companies, other then the fact they only need a few people with money to use microstransactions to fund these companies with up to any amount they want, or begging imploding advertisers, your again the one in a bubble, not me.

Out of just the games I listed above the only one that is free to play is LoL. All free to play does is allow games that would not have been made otherwise to be made.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

Now your trying to put words in my mouth. You must definitely be an industry dude? I said a golf game, World Tour Golf, one of the first EA sports games, is what made pc gaming popular. It was a GOLF game that started gaming on the pc and showed its graphical potentials were far better then the consoles like atari and intellivision. And continued that tradition for over 20 years. Until it ended in 2008. It even had a map editor.

My point that you missed was that there were other games that existed on PC, and that Golf was not what brought about the PC game evolution.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

1986 was way before id software my friend....commander keen was a fun game, but they are known for starting first person shooters.

I did say "later games like..." not that they came first. Golf may have played a role in PC gaming history, but it was a small role and not a big loss when it and many other sport related games moved over to the console market where they found a new home.

[poohead]

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

lol, I think your delusional if you don't think the PC industry as a whole is dying....and has been for some time. The only difference with me is I don't blame phones and ipads for its decline. I BLAME HACKERS AND VIRUSES AND NERDS WHO RESENT AND UNDERMINE SOCIETY.... But its a fact regardless dude.... Ignorance is bliss in your case. http://www.forbes.co...-will-be-worse/

I said games that ONLY support dx11 and DO NOT support DX9.... or fully utilize more then 2 cpu cores. I can only name one that I know of BF3, there might be a couple others....but it can't be more then a handful. You again failed to name a single one.

So your hackers diatribe suggests your life is lived in an 80s frat-house movie paradise of some kind. Awesome.

IDC data shows declining PC sales, but the installed base of PCs is declining extremely slowly, as people upgrade and hang on to them, and laptops are still huge sellers.

Lets look at the figures... in one quarter more PCs sell worldwide than the xbox 360 has sold in its entire lifetime. Does that suggest consoles or PCs are more popular?

To your second point, why does backwards compatibility matter? The fact is many modern games have a dx11 option, with all the modern effects that entails such as tessellation. The fact they also include an option to play in dx9 or dx10 is irrelevant.

[RichAC]

WarHippy, on 09 December 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Sales have declined for a lot of different reasons including people not needing to upgrade as often. A lot of people skip entire OS cycles, but even then in your link the industry has moved 314million new PCs this year and that is nothing to complain about. Do companies need to consolidate and adjust their business plans as the market changes? Absolutely, but that is hardly a sign that the industry has died. The PC market has been saturated, or even stagnated over the last decade causing its sales to shrink. We went from very few people using PCs let alone having them in their homes to now where almost everyone uses and has them. When everyone was getting their first and second PCs the sellers were having a windfall that allowed them to expand to meet demand, but now that the demand has slowed a great deal you see a lot of companies shut down or shrink because they exceed what is needed to fill the current markets needs.

I guess you didn't read that article. And your probably right people aren't upgrading their pc nowadays, cause noone is using them for gaming or anything else resource intensive.... I agree with you...lol And I gotta say, I don't see a cpu being viable for 10 years nowadays the same way the p4 was...

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Like I said sport games have found a home on the consoles, and is hardly a sign of some sort of apocalyptic end times scenario

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Found a home? They started on consoles, I don't know what you mean? Its Just a clear sign that pcs are not popular for gaming anymore for most of society, which you refuse to acknowledge for some strange reason. Do you work in the pc gaming industry?

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You are just more of the noise that has been saying that same thing for the last 15+ years like I said.

I told you...I have been saying it for 10+ years.....lol...global warming is real too. Lets just hope its not manmade and just a lull..../facepalm.

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Most PC games support more than just DX11 because there are a lot of different computer configurations out there and most companies want to make sure the games are playable across a lot of different configs. Since you need at least one to be appeased I will give Crysis 3 as a DX11 only game.

What you described, is partly the reason I've stated that pc gaming industry has declined in the past decade and why developers would prefer to develop for consoles.

But yes, crysis 3 is a DX11 only game. So now thats two pc games. (even though it still looks like blurry dx9 lol) Actually I'm wrong according to this page, bf3 is also dx10. Crysis 3 is the only game that exists that ONLY supports dx11. http://en.wikipedia....ectX_11_support I have a hard time believing them though after the huge fallout they had with their community when crysis 2 came out with only dx9 support and then made a shabby dx11 superimposed patch, only due to the fans very vocal protests and criticism. It could still be a lie haha. But regardless that is ONLY game on that list that is dx11 only.

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We don't know what the population is on this game to judge it against others, but forum traffic alone would indicate it is not particularly high. I will say with some rather high certainty that WoW, LoL, EvE, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, Starcraft 2, and many more have far higher populations than this game.

Battlefield 3's population was never that great to be honest. Sales never equal online players. Most people ended up using that game as a coaster. I'm curious if EA Dice sticks around on pc after BF4, they are one developer that is still very nostalgic about the online pc community. But the fact the playerbase was atrocious in bf3 by most standards must of been tough for them to stomach. Games like LoL and SC2 and WoW, granted do have higher populations, mainly because they run on most peoples systems and have been around a while.... But when talking in general among all pc communities, MWO is not much less then most....

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Out of just the games I listed above the only one that is free to play is LoL. All free to play does is allow games that would not have been made otherwise to be made

Wow is the only not free to play popular MMOrpg that i know of right now with players, except maybe eve. It was also made in 2004. The golden year. All free to play does, is show how desperate those companies are for a playerbase that they didn't either trust would come to begin with, or tried to gain back after they eventually died!

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My point that you missed was that there were other games that existed on PC, and that Golf was not what brought about the PC game evolution.

ya maybe your text based D&D nerd games...lmao.

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I did say "later games like..." not that they came first. Golf may have played a role in PC gaming history, but it was a small role and not a big loss when it and many other sport related games moved over to the console market where they found a new home.

again, sports games started on console. Why do you keep saying they found a home there? The point is PC's became popular enough to rival the consoles, now pc's are very unpopular and not considered for gaming again, and the sports game industry is just a microcosm or good example to support this fact. Most MMOs that was not originally free to play, is now free to play because of their dying playerbase my friend. Its not because they want to make some extra cash, or that microtransactions bring more money then subscriptions.... its because they are desperate.

Edited by RichAC, 09 December 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[RichAC]

poohead, on 09 December 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

So your hackers diatribe suggests your life is lived in an 80s frat-house movie paradise of some kind. Awesome.

umm...?

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IDC data shows declining PC sales, but the installed base of PCs is declining extremely slowly, as people upgrade and hang on to them, and laptops are still huge sellers.

Even laptop sales have declined according to IDC, I don't know what you mean by "installed base" of pc's....

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Lets look at the figures... in one quarter more PCs sell worldwide than the xbox 360 has sold in its entire lifetime. Does that suggest consoles or PCs are more popular?

well pc's are used for more then just gaming... Of course they have sold more then gaming systems in our lifetime. What a ridiculous comparison. But if we talk about things besides gaming, the internet is dying in general my friend, especially for Americans.... and I don't mean just p2p's, I mean many blogs and forums that were around forever are now ghost towns. Facebook and twitter is the new internet.

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To your second point, why does backwards compatibility matter? The fact is many modern games have a dx11 option, with all the modern effects that entails such as tessellation. The fact they also include an option to play in dx9 or dx10 is irrelevant.

Its not just about special effects, dx11 should be used to perform better, for better optimizations. The problem is programmers nowadays can't keep up with the newer hardware or don't have enough incentives to. Intel themselves say parallel processing is the future, but do everything they can to undermine it.

I pointing out, just like warship has pointed out, nobody wants to upgrade anymore. Which stalls innovation and our evolution. You can blame consoles, you can blame phones and ipads. I blame ruthless corporations, spies, criminal hackers and all their viruses ....

Edited by RichAC, 09 December 2013 - 04:49 PM.

[RG Notch]

PC gaming has been dead almost as long as people have been saying we're going to run out of fossil fuels. I imagine both of those will occur around the same time, not in my lifetime. But please don't let a good rant about evil corporations and lol hackers go to waste.

PictishWolf, on 08 December 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Not trying to steal the thread but I think the reason we haven't seen any official competitions lately is because it would give an indication of how many players there are(n't). Some never compete so the number of active players is obviously larger than the number of competitors, but you can see after your first match approximately how many are competing. If that number is very low, it would be an indication as to the popularity of the game (if you choose to call it that).

This is crazy conspiracy talk. I mean if the population wasn't good they would remove the player counter.....

[Aethon]

Primez, on 06 December 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

I find the grind to be too much like some players do. I noticed during my own gameplay I saw the same faces over and over again and just stopped playing. My friends and I have moved on to a mixture of league/APB. We throw other games into the mix but no one ever shouts out MWO. Apparently they nerfed cbill earnings because of all the great features coming to CW. I do check on occasion to see whats going on, by checking I mean the forums.

The C-Bill nerf was one of my main reasons for dropping MWO, although I still check the forums now and then, to see if PGI has managed to scrape together a few more brain cells in hopes of reviving the game. So far, no luck.

[Abivard]

Sug, on 06 December 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I feel like the population is either increasing or decreasing. Or just staying the same.

I have to disagree,

I feel like the population is staying the same, but maybe it is either decreasing or increasing too.

[Jimmy Page]

No promised DX11, no promised VOIP, no promised UI 2.0, terrible matchmaking, always a disconnect (or several) on one team or the other, no lobbies, completely broken text chat, semi balanced weapons based on voodoo, all jump snipers, borked jump jets, broken mech lab, very steep learning curve for new players, two bad game play modes, most maps are buggy and force teams to collide, medium mechs useless, lights have no role, assaults rule the battlefield. Yeah, this future looks pretty bright for PGI!

Population slowely going down the drain. I love stompy robots and continue to play but this games future is bleak to be honest. The only other launch that i have seen worse was Turbine's Asheron's Call 2.

Edited by Jimmy Page, 10 December 2013 - 05:05 AM.

[Hellen Wheels]

Well if its any consolation, AC1 is still limping along last I heard (my son still plays once in a while.) Their population must be down to only a few hundred by now. Hard to beleive, what, 13 years now? I remember when level 8 was god-like back in 1998? 1999? Good times.

[Kung Poo]

https://robertsspace.../about-the-game. Have a look and tell me pc gaming is dying.

[Sug]

Just got a "Network Timeout" error trying to log in the game. That's never happened to me before.
Servers so full there's now a queue????

Edited by Sug, 10 December 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[Deathlike]

Sug, on 10 December 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Just got a "Network Timeout" error trying to log in the game. Servers so full there's now a queue????

It's a feature! Telemetry is required for PGI to figure out how much you can tolerate before you can ragequit.

I assume this is working as intended™.

[RichAC]

ya the other reason people don't want to play this game anymore, besides the fact people are getting smashed and giving up, we get called names when we cap in assault....
What a lamer community.... thats a myth... you get more xp for capping in assault, especially if you can repeat a couple matches in the same time it takes most of these all brawn and no brain players to finish one.... gimme a break. its part of the game.

When the whole server gets mad at a couple guys for winning the match, and starts demeaning them and making derogatory comments and name calling, something is very very wrong

Its not surprising noone wants to play anymore. I have never seen anything like it , in any other fps game in 20 years.. how people get mad when they win...lmao.

.I think PGI needs to give way more xp for capping, because to me winning should be a good thing, not a bad thing. Think of it like soccer or something, you have front lines mid lines back lines, or offense and defense, and two goals..... adapt your strategy. Its nice to have a goal..

Its the same game mode you find in most fps games, what is the problem?

can you imagine in football if people went....don't score a goal. Just keep staying on the 1 yd line so we can keep tackling people caues thats more fun then winning?.....what a joke...

Edited by RichAC, 10 December 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Lindonius]

RichAC, on 10 December 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Think of it like soccer or something, you have front lines mid lines back lines, or offense and defense, and two goals..... adapt your strategy. Its nice to have a goal..

[Corvus Antaka]

cdlord, on 06 December 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

No way to know for sure though the Holidays can certainly have an effect. Also, lots of people are waiting for CW and the Clans. When they hit, I am sure we'll see an influx of players, new and old.

yup. The games being "Dying" for 2 years according to a lot of people

Myself, I've only failed to find 1 match in the last 2 weeks.

[IC Rafe]

CapperDeluxe, on 06 December 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

When I play I tend to see many different names that only occasionally I see in more than one match. But then again I tend to play during peak hours. Obviously you'll see a lot less people playing at 3am eastern for instance.

This shouldn't be a given. There are other timezones which should be active then. EU and RU have just as many players normally, especially on a single serverfarm.

Hexenhammer, on 07 December 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Play station 4
xBoxOne
Thanksgiving
Christmas
The Goons have left (cheer!)

And MWO is a niche game. It's too complicated for the average CoD player to figure out and won't ever have a "big" active player base. Hell. Age of Empires Online has only 12k active players and MWO will be doing great if it can accomplish that.

Sorry, but the game isn't that complicated. The only thing making it "complex" is the lack of information.
A 12k playerbase also wont support the game, so you might like that "the goons have left", but that is the worst that can happen for a game (not if you want a closeknit community, but for the game producers who look at: howmany people play and pay for this game who will actually say: this isn't viable, we're not keeping the servers running with this)

[Crimson Angel]

Don't know about PUG gamer numbers, but organized groups are losing more and more ppl everyday. Our group pretty much just plays 4 man lance play now, 12 man is rare.

IMHO, the 4 man group limitation is when it really started to go wrong. If PUGS don't want to get rolled over by organized groups then join one, easy. Punishing the groups with the 4 man limit is what killed it for me.

Edited by Crimson Angel, 11 December 2013 - 04:30 AM.

[poohead]

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't know what you mean by "installed base" of pc's....

PCs that are out in the world being used

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

well pc's are used for more then just gaming... Of course they have sold more then gaming systems in our lifetime. What a ridiculous comparison.

In the Xbox 360's lifetime, a more useful comparison. However, as you point out we dont know what those PCs are used for, so in fact MORE people could be gaming on PCs - the IDC figures are of no use because we don't know what the PCs are used for.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

But if we talk about things besides gaming, the internet is dying in general my friend, especially for Americans.... and I don't mean just p2p's, I mean many blogs and forums that were around forever are now ghost towns. Facebook and twitter is the new internet.

New games, new sites, new methods of interaction. Just because old things become less popular doesn't mean new things are not taking their place in PC gaming. Just because *you* don't see it where you think it should be, does not mean it doesn't exist elsewhere.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Its not just about special effects, dx11 should be used to perform better, for better optimizations. The problem is programmers nowadays can't keep up with the newer hardware or don't have enough incentives to.

So you're shifting your argument again? Backwards compatibility is what takes the time, but because there are so many PCs with varying configs its natural for this to happen. The tech shift has always been gradual because of the huge and varied user base of PCs. Lack of DX11 only games is not a sign of PC gaming dying, its evidence of a large varied user base of PCs being used to game.

RichAC, on 09 December 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I pointing out, just like warship has pointed out, nobody wants to upgrade anymore. Which stalls innovation and our evolution. You can blame consoles, you can blame phones and ipads. I blame ruthless corporations, spies, criminal hackers and all their viruses ....

Then you are paranoid.

People still upgrade, but slower than before most likely due to the economic mess we've been in for 5 years....

[Kyle Lewis]

Autobot9000, on 07 December 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

The thing is: The game should have shipped with the entire content from day 1 of release on and have a good quality as well. But this wasn't PGIs plan and this kind of add-content as we move on simply isn't cutting it. Also announcements like the one for UI 2.0, where they said "it will ship with lots of bugs" is totally ******* people off. The game already has mediocre quality. The lack of quality dedication on PGIs part is atrocious, it's a really bad sign for a company, when they drop quality acceptance measures. People want a full, good quality game, the kind of stoneage old plain shooter doesn't motivate anyone to play, so they do drop sooner or later. The assumption of the game kind of drawing more and more players in isn't working. I believe the game is instead losing players as they become disappointed.
I think people do check back once in a while what the game is like, but they find in context of the whole rather small changes and not much happening. My entire friend list is offline these days, no one is playing MWO (and I have quit too, despite having "donated" money for it, because I was actually expecting this to become a good game).

Yeah, and they were completely up front about the fact that it was not going to be released completed...you paid as a founder for the opportunity to participate from a early point in the game development and help make a Battletech game.

Why does every dingbat in the world come in and complain that the game is not like all of the other games out there by being completed and polished and going to make them more attractive to women?