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[Deathlike]

So, here's the projected breakdown of the mechs in question:

GRF-1N - Not a Highlander, so it's going to be a better YLW.
GRF-1S - Worse version of the Cent-AL since losing the arm = losing all energy firepower. At least you have JJs...
GRF-3M - The Shadowhawk-2D2 is better, literally.
WVR-6R - Worse version of the Shadowhawk-2H... you could fit better weaponry on the 2H easily.
WVR-6K - Cent-AL v2.
WVR-7K - It's the only good one.

Congrats to those getting the Saber Pack.

Edited by Deathlike, 10 December 2013 - 03:01 PM.

[Gremlich Johns]

Effectz, on 10 December 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Griffin's body looks ALOT like the Shadowhawk.

Have you ever watched Fang of the Sun: Dougram where the original mechs came from? The bodies all tend to be very similar.

FupDup, on 10 December 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

They might have thongs preemptively installed.

or those trailer hitch ball sacks thingies...

[Hans Von Lohman]

The Griffin CT should be hard to hit with that recessed in chest like that. The Victor is similar.

The other thing is the Left Torso energy hardpoint for the 3rd Griffin, the 3M. That has potential to be an Energy Shadow Hawk. It really depends on if the energy point is on the shoulder or in the ribs. I am hoping for the shoulder.

The Wolverine is a bit lackluster. Only one has a gun, and the 2nd one has no jump jets.

[Deathlike]

The hardpoint lists are here:
http://mwomercs.com/...specifications/

Unless it is inaccurate, the 3M is a missile/streak/optimal ASRM boat, not energy.

[Solis Obscuri]

FupDup, on 10 December 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

This won't be the first time PGI has reused old models for new mechs. They also use old "skeletons" sometimes, which is why the Centurion and other mediums are so tall (they stretched the body to fit the size of a heavy or assault-sized skeleton).

Source? Because we didn't have any heavies or assaults besides the Atlas and Catapult when the Centurion came out, and it doesn't look like either.

Deathlike, on 10 December 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

So, here's the projected breakdown of the mechs in question: GRF-1N - Not a Highlander, so it's going to be a better YLW.

Yeah, I bet it's gonna make a great zombie with no CT energy weapons.

[Deathlike]

Solis Obscuri, on 10 December 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yeah, I bet it's gonna make a great zombie with no CT energy weapons.

I'll try to do better on my comparisons.There isn't really a mech that compares to the 1N in terms of skewed hardpoint placement.

[Solis Obscuri]

Deathlike, on 10 December 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

I'll try to do better on my comparisons.There isn't really a mech that compares to the 1N in terms of skewed hardpoint placement.

No, there really isn't. I think the Hunchback comes closest, but it has the LA and HD hardpoints to balance it out.

Probably a good reason to drop an XL into the -1N, really, since after you lose that RT you aren't going to be participating very much.

[SgtMagor]

dunno but the Griffin makes the Wolverine look a little wimpy.

[Deathlike]

SgtMagor, on 10 December 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

dunno but the Griffin makes the Wolverine look a little wimpy.

Maybe, but the Wolverine does have thunder thighs...

[Hexenhammer]

Most common name for the Wolverine.... Thunder Thighs!

Poor thing has thick legs, no chest, and a breadbox for a head. Looks like it's made XLs.

[Goose]

Time to re-up your Gauss Certificate …

[DeadlyFred]

Deathlike, on 10 December 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

So, here's the projected breakdown of the mechs in question:

GRF-1N - Not a Highlander, so it's going to be a better YLW.
GRF-1S - Worse version of the Cent-AL since losing the arm = losing all energy firepower. At least you have JJs...
GRF-3M - The Shadowhawk-2D2 is better, literally.
WVR-6R - Worse version of the Shadowhawk-2H... you could fit better weaponry on the 2H easily.
WVR-6K - Cent-AL v2.
WVR-7K - It's the only good one.

Congrats to those getting the Saber Pack.

Not everyone is all about min-maxing, guy. Some people play the mechs they play because they LIKE the mechs they play, not because its the best most well-equipped thing in its weight class. I got the Saber add-on because Griffins and Wolverines were always two of my favorites back in the day so I wanted to break them out in MWO. I'm sure that's the feeling of many of those who got them.

[Hans Von Lohman]

I'm guilty of running mechs that are not considered the best in the game. I have this weird fascination with being able to turn to people and tell them, "I told you so" after getting good with a design.

For example I was an Orion pilot before they changed the hit boxes last month. It is the only heavy mech I liked.

I like the Wolverine and the Griffin, and I may pick one as a new pet project to master.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 10 December 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Barantor, on 10 December 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Here...

http://t.co/9P70F17iM1

http://t.co/oyaRJgw71X


Evidently the image extension of that url isn't allowed... even though twitter is how they put them out...

No worries, now they are on imgur!

that Griffin is beautiful.

[Bishop Steiner]

I will make the Griffin work, period. How, I know not, but it is lovely where my insane Shadowhawk is plug ugly.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

I will make the Griffin work, period. How, I know not, but it is lovely where my insane Shadowhawk is plug ugly.

Maybe something like this? (All-rounder loadout).
GRF-1N

Or this, if you wanna fly like an eagle and spam SRMs:
GRF-1N

Edited by FupDup, 10 December 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Solis Obscuri, on 10 December 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Source? Because we didn't have any heavies or assaults besides the Atlas and Catapult when the Centurion came out, and it doesn't look like either.

There is no sauce for that because it's probably wrong.

The rig for mechs like these, well the bones needed to animate them anyway, is so basic that it wouldn't even be worth it reusing them as it takes all of 15mins to draw some out and to wire them up, set up some controllers and start making keys. Secondly, saying that they would resize the mechs to fit rigs they weren't made for is a bit silly> you could actually resize the bones, though like I say there is no point and the complex part of the set up isn't the animation rig itself.

Thirdly, if the concern was reusing animations and thus saving time animating basically the same thing, they would probably be retargeting animations between rigs in motion builder then do a little clean up from there. Then add some springs to the shoulders etc and bake that down to keyframes and export from max.

lastly, no where in the game files, that you can actually bring into CE3 yourself and look at the bone rigs, backs that statement.

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

I will make the Griffin work, period. How, I know not, but it is lovely where my insane Shadowhawk is plug ugly.

My thoughts exactly!

FupDup, on 10 December 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Maybe something like this? (All-rounder loadout).
GRF-1N
Or this, if you wanna fly like an eagle and spam SRMs:
GRF-1N

SRMs mean SRM range, and I'm just too worried everyone will take my right torso out the second they see me. Which makes me think about a long range jump jet sniper. But then I don't see any viable options beyond 2 PPCs, because 3 LLs is going to be too hot due to ghost heat. And I really don't want to be another PPC poptart. Frankly, the SHD is a much, much better SRM-brawler, and is also better with SSRMs. The one advantage of the Griffin is the 3E in the right arm and 7 jump jets. That's it.

Hmph. I may just default to using my 3xLPL build ironically.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 10 December 2013 - 10:44 PM.

[Carrioncrows]

Deathlike, on 10 December 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

The hardpoint lists are here:
http://mwomercs.com/...specifications/

Unless it is inaccurate, the 3M is a missile/streak/optimal ASRM boat, not energy.

Tell me this isn't beautiful.

http://goo.gl/JzjhOk

Of course the SRM 6 would actually be x2 srm2's because the site is messed up but that's swanky stuff man.

[Alistair Winter]

Carrioncrows, on 11 December 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Tell me this isn't beautiful.
http://goo.gl/JzjhOk
Of course the SRM 6 would actually be x2 srm2's because the site is messed up but that's swanky stuff man.

Seems a bit too hot for me, but I do like the combination of LPLs and SSRMs. I'd probably put some DHS in the right arm or left torso to protect the LPL too. If you lose the LPL, you don't need so many heatsinks anyway. And you have enough free slots that you don't need to put the DHS in the engine.