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[Dedra Meero]

Is this really all this game has to offer these days?

Cookie cutter JJ-PPC builds and Dual AC/20 Jagers?

MWO has really lost a lot of what made this game fun.

Time to go camp a ridge and jump up and down while shooting icecones at people.

GG... or is it?

[Kunae]

...someone just died to a dual-AC20 Jaeger, and meta-tarts, I see...

[Lil Cthulhu]

You forgot about the Gaussapults and Gaussjagers. They're making a comeback, you know.


And AC20/PPC Highlanders, haven't seen a thread about one of those before.

Edited by Lil Cthulhu, 13 December 2013 - 08:56 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lil Cthulhu, on 13 December 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

You forgot about the Gaussapults and Gaussjagers. They're making a comeback, you know.

Preparing for our Glass Spider piloting masters to arrive!

[Alcom Isst]

If PPC Jumpjet builds are so OP, why aren't there more QUICKDRAWS?!

[Sandpit]

Alcom Isst, on 13 December 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

If PPC Jumpjet builds are so OP, why aren't there more QUICKDRAWS?!

because they're only "op" on mechs that a player has gotten their shiny metal *** kicked around the map by.

[Roadbeer]

Lil Cthulhu, on 13 December 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

You forgot about the Gaussapults and Gaussjagers. They're making a comeback, you know.

Wait, what?
According to these forums, the new Gauss mechanic makes the weapon system unplayable. Obviously you are a deluded, deranged individual who is hallucinating the "Gaussmechs"

[Damocles69]

In pugs ya there are many different viabilsh builds. 12 man? Bring a highset gun high alpha mech, popstar, or 30-35 ton light or don't play

[St4LkeRxF]

Kunae, on 13 December 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

...someone just died to a dual-AC20 Jaeger, and meta-tarts, I see...

Be nice as you never know what will one behind you gonna do

[Lostdragon]

Alcom Isst, on 13 December 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

If PPC Jumpjet builds are so OP, why aren't there more QUICKDRAWS?!

Because they have no ballistic slot. You need 2 PPCs and an AC to get the 30+ point alphas that make HGNs, VTRs, STK-M, CTFs, etc. so good.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lostdragon, on 13 December 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Because they have no ballistic slot. You need 2 PPCs and an AC to get the 30+ point alphas that make HGNs, VTRs, STK-M, CTFs, etc. so good.

Again the equivalent of being hit by one Gauss on TT is to much damage here... I will never stop being amused by this.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Just to point out the poster is pretty new. Everyone goes through this stage and as they get better they tend to back of the nerf warrior position.

Better to be nice to the new guys and try to explain it rather than ridicule them. I know several here like beating up on anyone they can target so they can consider themselves great forum warriors. Give it a rest, there will be no memorial built for internet bullies I assure you,.

[LordBraxton]

Alcom Isst, on 13 December 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

If PPC Jumpjet builds are so OP, why aren't there more QUICKDRAWS?!

To be fair, my PPC poptart quickdraw is the only dangerous configuration I can find... the 2LL 4ML config is OK...

Honestly I see PPCs and ACs as being fairly balanced right now

The only weapons that are really subpar are SRMs and Pulse laser, standard lasers could just use a ghost heat removal\reduction\adjustment

[Joseph Mallan]

Mud depending on how old the OP is, would determine how I would address him/her. A teen would get the same courtesy they give, an adult may or may not get the same treatment.

I had a post in the CB forum somewhere that mimicked what I told all my wife's friends on first meeting them.

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I'm Sorry. I am going to say or do something that will **** you off. It is not intentional, but I say what I mean and mean what I say. I do not chance my views for anyone but me. So If you are offended, know I am no trying to offend.

The majority of us are grown ups, and seasoned gamers. If thin skin is a problem, maybe they should find a new form of relaxation.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 December 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[Lostdragon]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 December 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Again the equivalent of being hit by one Gauss on TT is to much damage here... I will never stop being amused by this.

I didn't say it is too much damage, I just explained why QKDs are inferior. Being able to aim and have your shots go exactly where you aim with perfect convergence from weapons that do all their damage at once is way more powerful than firing the same weapons in TT and hitting three different spots, though, so I don't know why you would even bring that up.

I am not pro or anti poptart, those are just the facts. Any mech that is heavy enough to carry 2 PPCs and 1 or more AC with jump jets is just better than a mech that can't do those things.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 December 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Mud depending on how old the OP is, would determine how I would address him/her. A teen would get the same courtesy they give, an adult may or may not get the same treatment.

I had a post in the CB forum somewhere that mimicked what I told all my wife's friends on first meeting them.



The majority of us are grown ups, and seasoned gamers. If thin skin is a problem, maybe they should find a new form of relaxation.

Thats why i like you.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lostdragon, on 13 December 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I didn't say it is too much damage, I just explained why QKDs are inferior. Being able to aim and have your shots go exactly where you aim with perfect convergence from weapons that do all their damage at once is way more powerful than firing the same weapons in TT and hitting three different spots, though, so I don't know why you would even bring that up.

I am not pro or anti poptart, those are just the facts. Any mech that is heavy enough to carry 2 PPCs and 1 or more AC with jump jets is just better than a mech that can't do those things.

I understand the dislike of Convergence, I do, but 30 damage vs our armor here is nothing I am not used to from TT. Its not in the how the damage is delivered to me its the amount. 40 damage is the same level of pain a single AC20 did on TT. you only need twice as much weapons to get the old standard of damage, 2 PPCs to hurt as bad as one.

Relax the pin point damage and less folks would complain about 30 point alphas!

[Almond Brown]

Lostdragon, on 13 December 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Because they have no ballistic slot. You need 2 PPCs and an AC to get the 30+ point alphas that make HGNs, VTRs, STK-M, CTFs, etc. so good.

Ummm, the STK-M can't jump nor carry 2 x AC20...

P.S. There is also a Rule, although vague and often hard to interpret properly, but it states:

"You are allowed to return Fire ffs!"

Edited by Almond Brown, 13 December 2013 - 12:03 PM.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 December 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

Preparing for our Glass Spider piloting masters to arrive!

Did someone call me?

[Lostdragon]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 December 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

I understand the dislike of Convergence, I do, but 30 damage vs our armor here is nothing I am not used to from TT. Its not in the how the damage is delivered to me its the amount. 40 damage is the same level of pain a single AC20 did on TT. you only need twice as much weapons to get the old standard of damage, 2 PPCs to hurt as bad as one.

Relax the pin point damage and less folks would complain about 30 point alphas!

30 damage is enough to blow off components on most light mechs and remove rear torso armor from almost any mech. Mastering Locusts was not fun, trust me. At first it was kind of a fun challenge, then it was just soul crushing after losing a torso or leg to one shot for the 50th time. Against an Atlas, yeah, 30 points isn't goung to ruin your day, but in a ligh or medium it can really hurt. Having a Locust lose a leg to one shot is not a big deal if you have 10 other mechs on the table, but it sucks when you only get one mech per match.

I've been a proponent of a cone of fire solution for sometime, but I think we are just stuck with what we have, which is a shame since it is a problem that could be mitigated in a number of ways.