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[GrizzLee]

I am sure PGI will come out with explanations on whether that $500 includes the 24 variants listed above, what kind of "special gear" they have in mind, how they plan on balancing the mechs for the game and so on...What is also clear is this was the most poorly thought out marketing scheme ever devised that instead of creating anticipation and excitement has created confusion and outright derision for the game. I still hope for the best, and point out I had no problem spending $20 per mech before ($500/24+1=$20), but don't tell me you couldn't even cast the shadow of a MadCat on the video....Much splainin' needs to be made.

[Draconis Nagasawa]

Mazgazine1, on 14 December 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

PGI, here's my feedback.

NO.

Stop trying to push content we don't need yet. YOU STILL HAVE GHOST HEAT!!!!

We don't even have UI 2.0 and you are selling this pack already!?!?

NOTHING has changed since Project Phoenix.

You want us to support your un-betatested completely unbalanced mechs? GIVE US CONTENT.

Give us game types, community events, and a decent mech interface.

This is also the MOST EXPENSIVE THING I HAVE EVER SEEN.

This tells me you really don't care. Why are these not rewards? Why can't we have tournaments to win gold mechs?

I know that I want fixes, gameplay and a working interface and for Community warfare to not be some generic grind fest.

This is FAR to soon and I'm not buying it.

Level with your people PGI/IGP and start being honest about the state of the game, how many people are playing, how much money your making and if you are in danger TELL THE COMMUNITY.

Ghost Heat is a necessary feature to counter act 6PPC Stalker and High Alpha Builds.

Project Pheonix was just put out last month, not all mechs are available for Cbill yet.

Clans Mechs is content?

No one forcing you to buy this package, you can wait to buy them with Cbills.

Next?

[JohnnyWayne]

It just came to my mind: What if they desperately need money? Maybe they sit on the streets and as for a dollar next week... :´-(

[Shagz]

SO NEXT months package is Clan weapons starting at $600.00 usd ?

[DrHat]

PhobiaOne, on 14 December 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Actually I know quite well how the Publisher/Developer relationship works. I know how the Publisher is usually to blame for a lot of issues, but in this case I think a lot of the issues start with the DEVs. First of all it would simply take the DEVs communicating to us a little more clearly what is going on. Secondly it would take them NOT promising us stuff last summer when they HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED WORKING ON YET. Third, they don't even know how to use the freaking game engine properly, and haven't even hired anyone that does. Fourth, they need to STOP LIEING TO US about things like CW, Clans, 3rd Person View, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... Fifth, they need to STOP RIPPING US OFF with these high *** prices. If they were smart they would LOWER their prices so more people could afford them. I could keep going on, and on, and on, and on...

So I can only deduce from your reply that you didn't actually read what I wrote - you just read the first part and started replying.

I'm sorry, but I have to maintain my belief that I don't think you completely understand. I'm not excusing anything, nor do I want you to feel that you should either, I want that to be clear!

However, as I said, I severely doubt that they are intentionally misinforming you, intentionally upsetting you, nor are they likely to intentionally give you the impression that no work has been done (this one is the most absurd complaint) - somebody's salary would definitely not get paid if you came to work and did nothing.

A lot of it comes down the decisions being made, minds changing, schedules being re-drawn and stuff that was already being done. This stuff can quite realistically be put on hold (or "go out the window" as I call it), because something changed..heck, it might not even go out the window, it's just a question of focus, or indeed direction. Heck, even the direction can be the same, but the Vision is too broad, undefined or unclear (I was once called into an experts meeting with an executive producer, the producer of the title, and one of our senior game designers, as well as a member of upper management, because of this exact problem, and I, along with the other people I mentioned (except the producer) were considered some of more knowledgeable people about these sort of things..we spent 4 hours at this..voices were raised, even by me towards the upper management guy (I know, I know "so brave.."..well it just happens to be true), ideas were drafted up..it looked semi-promising, but in the end, it wasn't me, nor the producer nor the executive producer nor the senior game designer that made the final call...)

It can really get messy..and even upper management are just people, trying to do the best they can. Unfortunately, they are often very disconnected from the project and what is going on, which isn't their fault most of the time..it's just impossible for them to do anything else.

Edited by DrHat, 14 December 2013 - 07:12 AM.

[Blackfang]

Chronojam, on 14 December 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

Quote this if you're down.

This pretty much sums it up for me (thanks Chronojam), CW and UI2.0 are the key points here not overly fussed about the rest, ,we've had the CW Phase 1 carrot dangled infront of us for months now and we're still no closer to even a screenshot of this system working as intended. UI2.0 yes we've managed to get our mitts on but where is CW? Phase 1 should have been with us ages ago.

I've supported this project since the beginning my forums profile says I was the 132nd person to sign up out of over half a million accounts (its in the address bar the little number more or less dictates where you were in the sign up queue), I've thrown money at the founders pack, money at project phoenix and saber reinforcements, money at MC and yet there still isn't even a whisper (besides a small presentation done at a recent event) of one of the 'core' design pillars of this game. Sorry PGI I've been flying your flag for this long but I'm hugely disappointed and thoroughly burnt out, I just can't do it anymore. I don't even care about the pricing on the packages, hell if we had CW already and playing through the Innersphere as intended I would be more than happy to throw $240 down for all those clan bad boys (even though I really just want the Summoner and a Dire Wolf), but I don't feel I can realistically do that until I see the money you currently have developing the game you said you were going to make.

You said Q1 2014 is going to be a big one, make it happen, show us what you have up your sleeve, deploy UI2.0, deploy CW phase 1 and you'll have my money and my trust back, but until then I'll earn the interest on these dollars in my own bank thanks very much.

[GreatBeer]

Lets look on the bright side: MWO will probably be the last game PGI ever makes.

Chronojam, on 14 December 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

Quoting this.

[Vaan]

Crusadiar, on 14 December 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Ghost Heat is a necessary feature to counter act 6PPC Stalker and High Alpha Builds.

Project Pheonix was just put out last month, not all mechs are available for Cbill yet.

Clans Mechs is content?

No one forcing you to buy this package, you can wait to buy them with Cbills.

Next?

Are you living under a well with no idea the history of PGI's doing? I honestly think you are.. But 1 thing for sure, all the negative posts here is not just some simple trolls out there but it's the wrath of the community who have been given lies/empty promises by PGI.

Edited by Vaan, 14 December 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[Draconis Nagasawa]

Khobai, on 14 December 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

And I wont be buying a package. That is a loss of a sale. Simply because PGI could not sell me a product I wanted to buy. Thats what we call fail marketing.

Obviously founders and pheonix package was enough for you to buy. But Clans are not? Right....

[Rounin]

Crusadiar, on 14 December 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Ghost Heat is a necessary feature to counter act 6PPC Stalker and High Alpha Builds.

No, it is not necessary.
You could counter the 6PPC Stalker build by weapon size limitations.
Wow.
Suddenly there is no need for ghost heat.
Mind blown.

[JohnnyWayne]

Crusadiar, on 14 December 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Obviously founders and pheonix package was enough for you to buy. But Clans are not? Right....

It was a better deal with 6.66$ per mech. Now we pay almost double: 10$ per mech.

[James Montana]

Have to save...

[proclaiming]

Founder's mech for sale. Mech for sale.

It's scratched up, can't customize the pattern... EVER! In this sense it does actually have less practical features than most mechs...

Going for a low, low price of 5,000 dollars local currency... Precluding Mexico.

[DrHat]

Vaan, on 14 December 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

As what you said, without having the full context of what was said and why, you're likely to have an even BIGGER storm on your hands.. Isnt this is happening now? Cant you see all the negative posts at this thread? This is the reason why we need PGI response on this thread with the transparency clarity of what's going on with this game and what is the reason for a $500 GOLD package!

I mean an even BIGGER THAN THIS kind of storm...first they need to figure out what to do about this - this isn't just something you do on a whim, and they need to figure out what to say, who is going to say it, and when...they are likely betting that before they can say or do anything, people need to be allowed to vent and "calm down" as it were. Have you ever tried having a rational argument/discussion with someone who's, perhaps legitimately so, very angry ? It isn't easy..

Remember, I agree with you on the principle matter..that prices are too high.

Edited by DrHat, 14 December 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[William Warriors]

PGI.. details of Omnimechs are before we buy.

Omnimech have NO VARIANTS, If there are, why are they called OMNIMECH the first place?

I missed my Gauss rifles the way it was before, fix it and then we talk about Clan mechs..

No fun having a weapon that can't hit the enemy most of the time...because in a fight.. if you can't shoot when the enemy is in your sight.. then you are dead.

[Kaishaku]

I wonder what PGI's bank books are looking like. Asking us the spend hundreds of dollars for content we wont see for another 6 months (sounds like more empty promises to me) sounds pretty desperate to me especially since they just recently pulled the same stunt with project phoenix.

That's right keep burning your customers/player base

[Dawnstealer]

Honest question here and I swear I'm not trolling, but is this basically throwing in the towel on Community Warfare? If I can just pop in my Timber Wolf any time I want, it's going to throw the whole war off. And why is anyone going to hop in an Atlas when there's a Diashi right there with a lighter engine, less heat, etc?

I love the mechs, the designs look gorgeous, I'm just a little worried about how this will be all implemented in the larger game.

[Andodx]

Chronojam, on 14 December 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

Quote this if you're down.

I Quote!

[Khobai]

Quote

Ghost Heat is a necessary feature to counter act 6PPC Stalker and High Alpha Builds.

Not at all. The community came up with dozens of alternatives to ghost heat, many of which were better, and far more intuitive.

Even something as simple as PPCs doing splash damage eliminates the need for ghost heat.

[Draconis Nagasawa]

Vaan, on 14 December 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Are you living under a well with no idea the history of PGI's doing? I honestly think you are.. But 1 thing for sure, all the negative posts here is not just some simple trolls out there but it's the wrath of the community who have been given lies/empty promises by PGI.

I am not saying that they have past their own deadlines. However yall have to get over your self, Rome wasnt built in a day. Things take time.....obviously

[Koshnar]

Well I bought the founders pack hoping the game was going places.
I have not spent a penny since, and won't until I see the content the communitity is asking for.
I don't believe you guys have not heard us.
If you give me the content promised nearly 2 years ago I'll start spending again... if not looks like I got to find a new game.