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Rip Snorgan, on 16 December 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I haven't given up yet. When I allow myself to forget all this business and log in and just play, I remember, oh yeah, this game is still ridiculously fun, despite all this community hullabaloo.

Sure, I can understand the doubters, and I'm disappointed on the timeline for CW, but...that interactive "clicky" timeline actually gives some nice info. Time will tell eh? If they do end up delivering on all that's included in it, CW could be pretty worth the wait maybe.

But all frustration and doubt aside, speaking directly to all you "I'll kill any gold mech I see, doesn't matter the team it's on" folks...

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

I mean, come on, hate the gold mechs? Don't buy one, I know I'm not going to. But going out of your way to kill one, especially TK one? That's just asinine and childish. It will be my distinct pleasure to report any TK incident of that variety I witness, and I'm generally not the type of person to report anyone, for anything.

If you intend to TK a gold mech, I intend to get a juice box and some crackers for you and sit you down in front of the television for a Dora the Explorer marathon, since you are clearly not mature enough to handle any sort of decision or interaction that you are likely to encounter in the adult world. Plus you might possibly still need help with basic concepts like "sharing" or "cooperation" or "telling colors apart from one another".

Animals you people. Animals. Flinging excrement at the walls and expecting the rest of us to oooh and aaah at the masterpiece you created.

Stupid internet.

What flavor juicebox we talkin' here?

[Zerstorer Stallin]

So basically Great news! CW will be in around OCT of NEVER.... (soon TM)

[Chronojam]

Zanathan, on 16 December 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

So I was preparing this when the command chair post hit .. meh I thought it would be appropriate:

This is lovely. No wonder it's not working so well for PGI, they say they need to finish UI 2.0 first but it's clearly the final unlock.

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legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Endless whines, that's all you people do. It's like you think you are entitled to something. At no point did you invest money for a say into how this goes.

Actually, I did- twice. First, as a Microsoft shareholder (you know, the party that owns the intellectual property that PGI is damaging). Further, as a Founder, under the agreement for services to be rendered on a specific timeframe.

So, frankly, I'll say whatever I god****** good and well please. kthxbye.

[Lon3Wo1f]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Previous games are semi-irrelevant at this point. Different technologies, different game play styles, different playerbases different style of gaming. Again, if you don't like it, raise some money and buy the license and remake it. Stop whining and do something...

You do realise that whining about whining is whining, right? What you call entitled I'd call disappointed fans. When you love a franchise as much as some people do it's hard to see promises broken repeatedly, it's frustrating and you reach a point where you get a lot of posts like the ones in this thread.

[Jack Gallows]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Endless whines, that's all you people do. It's like you think you are entitled to something. At no point did you invest money for a say into how this goes.

Are you..really...that dense?

[Pezzer]

Rip Snorgan, on 16 December 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I haven't given up yet. When I allow myself to forget all this business and log in and just play, I remember, oh yeah, this game is still ridiculously fun, despite all this community hullabaloo.

Sure, I can understand the doubters, and I'm disappointed on the timeline for CW, but...that interactive "clicky" timeline actually gives some nice info. Time will tell eh? If they do end up delivering on all that's included in it, CW could be pretty worth the wait maybe.

But all frustration and doubt aside, speaking directly to all you "I'll kill any gold mech I see, doesn't matter the team it's on" folks...

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

I mean, come on, hate the gold mechs? Don't buy one, I know I'm not going to. But going out of your way to kill one, especially TK one? That's just asinine and childish. It will be my distinct pleasure to report any TK incident of that variety I witness, and I'm generally not the type of person to report anyone, for anything.

If you intend to TK a gold mech, I intend to get a juice box and some crackers for you and sit you down in front of the television for a Dora the Explorer marathon, since you are clearly not mature enough to handle any sort of decision or interaction that you are likely to encounter in the adult world. Plus you might possibly still need help with basic concepts like "sharing" or "cooperation" or "telling colors apart from one another".

Animals you people. Animals. Flinging excrement at the walls and expecting the rest of us to oooh and aaah at the masterpiece you created.

Stupid internet.

This guy serious? I wonder where he's been this entire time. He probably just started playing the game recently, doesn't know about everything else that's happened to it in the past. He doesn't know about the broken promises.

Have fun in the land of milk and honey, bro. I'm gonna go get some sleep and play other games that fulfill their promises.

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legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Endless whines, that's all you people do. It's like you think you are entitled to something. At no point did you invest money for a say into how this goes. You even get the privilege of having space to vent your comments and have someone else manage the system to do that.

That's kind of what the founders project was all about. Investing to make what was stated happen. And when what was stated does not happen, or does not live up to the standards used to acquire the investment funds, then the investors get to complain. Good lord, "privilege [sic] of having space to vent"... Please tell me you're not in customer service. You don't really understand the customer/provider relationship, do you?

[legionofvega]

Jack Gallows, on 16 December 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Are you..really...that dense?

The essence of entitlement...I rest my case.

Lon3Wo1f, on 16 December 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

You do realise that whining about whining is whining, right? What you call entitled I'd call disappointed fans. When you love a franchise as much as some people do it's hard to see promises broken repeatedly, it's frustrating and you reach a point where you get a lot of posts like the ones in this thread.

Let's take mechwarrior tactics for example. I don't care for how they are rendering and designing the mechs. I've chosen not to even play the game. I am disappointed but do I go screaming on the forums how dumb the developers are for not making more lore-look-a-like mechs? No, I just choose not to participate and move on.

Edited by legionofvega, 16 December 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Jack Gallows]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

The essence of entitlement...I rest my case.

So basically, consumers that spend millions of dollars on a game aren't even the slightest bit entitled to better treatment from a company that continues to alter it's stance on multiple features and continues to under deliver?

I hope you have fun playing a dead game. ha.

You do realize this game was crowd funded. CROWDFUNDED. No people interested in giving their share meant the game would have been shelved. That money we spent then was used on other games that aren't make returns either.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 16 December 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[Chronojam]

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There has been some circulating speculation on PGI’s commitment to the MechWarrior brand and whether we really plan to create large features like Community Warfare or if were just getting as much money out as possible while we can. That's a tough thing to hear when you are as deep in love and committed as we have been to the game.

We completely understand where the question comes from; almost 100% from not seeing large features like UI 2.0 and CW live yet.

Yeah dude it's totally not because you have done nothing to effectively discuss Community Warfare beyond vague sweeping terms we already heard starting in 2011 despite shooting past the revised Jan-Feb 2013 deadline by basically an entire year with nothing to show for it. Or perhaps, there's nothing to discuss because nothing exists, a more terrifying but increasingly more likely thought.

It's totally not because after giving a press release in Reuters back in 2012 about your bragworthy custom VOIP solution, there's been not one single post about it and your ~awesome launch party~ had to rely on a third party TeamSpeak 3 server. And what about that custom joystick support, and the Razor Artemis that disappeared right off the manufacturer's site?

Totally not because the grand UI 2.0 effort has resulted in something that was almost universally panned as being unintuitive, unpleasant, and amazingly underwhelming in terms of completion given the amount of time that was supposedly spent on it as a focus.

Accused of being tone deaf and out of touch, PGI brashly claims they know absolutely (100%!) where the complaints are coming from and gets it completely, amazingly wrong. No wonder they hit the iceberg, it never registered as a problem, but by jove they're going to refill your spilled drinks -- for a fee, of course.

[Silent]

Zerstorer Stallin, on 16 December 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

So basically Great news! CW will be in around OCT of NEVER.... (soon TM)

Considering that license extension announcement, they potentially have until 2020 to string players along on this CW ride.

[Chronojam]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

The essence of entitlement...I rest my case.

Glad to hear you're done talking about it.

[Asgeir]

Pwnocchio, on 13 December 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Alright Niko, here is my feedback for you.

1. The mech art looks great. It tickles my cockles (whatever the hell those are)

2. I think whats going to happen is any gold mech detected by the enemy is going to get it 'family style' as soon as the enemy detects them. I harbor no ill will toward these people, but I'd probably keep a tally mark on my keyboard for every gold mech I bag.

3. If by June 17th PGI has delivered the following bullet items...

*UI 2.0 (which includes auto-buy features for consumables)
*Integrated DX11
*Properly functioning SRMS
*Community Warefare
*Game play that is dynamic and compelling enough to make me want more

...then I will plop down $240 for your Masakari collection.

If you can deliver those items by June 17th, and these clan packages are still available, I'll buy your $240 package.

Deal?

^This. You guys have gotten me for every top package so far, and I saw those and was tempted to purchase a lower pack and upgrade, but until some progress gets made, my wallet has other places to be. Give me some of this stuff, and we'll talk.

No Gold Mech though...

[Chronojam]

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Our biggest challenge there has been in explaining that many features and content are delivered by completely different members of the team then would work on for instance UI 2.0 and usually does not signify in any way a lack of focus or delay on major feature development.

Does he mean explaining this to us? Because I think we understand that. Whomever is in charge of handling human resources and project management might need a little refresher, though, because we keep shooting past deadlines and getting bottlenecked as if people will buy mech packs anyho -- ooooooooh I see.

[Neutron IX]

Pezzer, on 16 December 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

This guy serious? I wonder where he's been this entire time. He probably just started playing the game recently, doesn't know about everything else that's happened to it in the past. He doesn't know about the broken promises.

Have fun in the land of milk and honey, bro. I'm gonna go get some sleep and play other games that fulfill their promises.

Listen friend. I have zero problems with the upset people are feeling, even though I may not be feeling it myself at that level. I do have my own disappointments as well, which I alluded to there in the post I made, that you quoted, but perhaps did not read in its entirety?

My only real beef here (and I have no idea if you are even one of these people), is with those stating their intent to single out and harass fellow players on the battlefield for the apparently egregious and unforgivable "crime" of using their own money to make purchases that you might disagree with.

Yes, obviously they must be punished, with extreme prejudice.

In what way does your frustration with the state of MW:O justify that type of thing? You don't like your experience, and your answer is to do what you can to ruin somebody else's (and in the case of a TK, possibly up to 10 somebody else's), simply because they used their money to make a purchase you don't agree with, without knowing any part of why, or who they are, or any of it? And this helps you make your "clearly thought out statement to the Devs" in what way exactly?

Hmmm...on 2nd thought, if you are this type of person (again, not you necessarily, but these types of folks), communication may not be your strong suit, and Dora the Explorer might be above your aptitude level. I'll have to downgrade it to pictures of kittens on wallpaper.

P.S. Again, I reiterate, all of the above statements are not directed at you Pezzer, rather, at the proud "Gold Mech TKs R AWSUM bcuz I'm angry and Hulk SMASH" set...

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legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

So you actually invested millions of dollars to develop this game? I see...

How much I invest matters not- the long term ROI, however, does. PGI's actions have damaged the long term potential return.

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Also, when you bought the founders pack, you did get what you paid for. Mechs, premium time and MC, all delivered.

No, I did not. It was stated that a persistent battlespace would exist in which actions in game would affect the holdings of territory pre-invasion, referred to as "Community Warfare". CW was was the ultimate offering of the Founders package, being the key to the buy-in for the majority of players. This offering has not come to fruition.

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Also, let me ask you a business question. If you invest in a start up and it goes belly up and you whine and complain does it actually change anything? No, you took a risk, it didn't pan out. You learn, you move on.

I don't happen to see PGI having failed yet, so they'll be receiving complaints until they either cease to exist, or right their ship.

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Btw, this is a game, not real life.

That's funny- you could have fooled my bank account. Were it merely a "game" played with fictitious quasi-Monopoly money, the cost of both my Microsoft shares, Founders package, and in-game MC purchases would still be in my investment account and the petty cash checking. But those funds aren't. I purchased numerous shares, and later, a piece of software, that may in fact be a game, but is more aptly a joke beta product that should still be in internal test.

[chungus maximus]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

/ranton

Frankly I think that the community here is just as much to blame as PGI. The constantly whining and complaining over every feature that isn't implemented to their exact specifications is absurd. The entitlement is truly astonishing! You know what, invest 10 million dollars or whatever it takes to buy the license for Mechwarrior and remake the game yourself. Oh you can't raise that kind of money and don't know anything about software development? Great, sit the F down and shut up.

Be thankful we even have a Mechwarrior game that is fun and enjoyable to play. And this game isn't any different than endless games of world of tanks but you don't see people whining about that.

/rantoff

I will say this to you, sir: I've been on here since closed-beta. I'm not often on the forums, but I have logged plenty of time playing. I don't have Founder's status due to being jack-broke when that was going on. I would have bought in, if I could. Between that day and now I have spent a decent amount of money on this game (I'm a broke undergrad and I chose to devote money to this game monthly because I wanted to see it flourish). Mechwarrior 2 was the first gaming experience I remember having as a kid (I'm a ripe 22 years old). I hold this series close to my heart in a way that is a little different than most, even those that have been playing on a table top since they were young men. This franchise literally is my childhood--I game today because of Mechwarrior 2. I want this franchise to succeed because I know it could very well be the last gasp of any organized Mechwarrior-themed action.

I have defended PGI from the beginning of the strife, "white knighted", if you will. I can no longer do it. I have been let down so many times along with so many others and it really is a swift kick to the guts for someone who holds this franchise so close. The game is worse than it was in beta, that is the honest truth. It wasn't smooth, it wasn't perfect, it was nuts and bolts, but it has seen a precipitous decline since it "launched." And what makes that fact worse is that we only continue to see money grabs-- skins, hero/champion 'mechs, and now this? If PGI had just decided to sell the Clan 'mechs individually, or cheaper, I feel as if people would have chewed their arms off getting after them. But for those of us that have invested the time and the effort, this feels like another cop out. And it feels like the ship is going down and those in charge have left the helm. Rome is burning right now and I can hear the fiddle.

I can't put anymore money into the game and I can't even say that I can play too much more, because playing is casting a vote for something I don't believe in anymore.

[Lon3Wo1f]

legionofvega, on 16 December 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

Let's take mechwarrior tactics for example. I don't care for how they are rendering and designing the mechs. I've chosen not to even play the game. I am disappointed but do I go screaming on the forums how dumb the developers are for not making more lore-look-a-like mechs? No, I just choose not to participate and move on.

That is kinda the point. *You* don't care how they are rendering but other people are more passionate and do care. Sometimes passionate people say what they mean but don't think their actions through first. It isn't out of malice or some sense of entitlement, it's out of wanting to play the best game possible and the immersion factor. At some point you have to accept that. Does some of it go too far? Without a doubt but you threw yourself in the same boat when you started tarring everyone with generalisations like "you people", as if everyone that disagrees with you is like that when I know that's not what you meant. That's how easy it is to misunderstand someone though.

To illustrate the point a bit better I played Star Trek Online for a while and some of the ship models in there were poor. Sure they looked essentially like the ships they were supposed to be but some had odd textures here, badly placed lights or particle effects there and even if you'd rarely / likely never notice in playing, they were there. In the end they had someone go through and do a cleanup of a lot of models and the person doing it used a lot of the community posts with reference material to improve them. The end result (this was a while ago) was much improved models. I'm not comparing the games at all just the different ways criticisms have been handled.

[mekabuser]

Drenaline, on 16 December 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Actually we have been on the "PGI sux #NOPE" circlejerk since closed beta. Not 300 pages.

well, are you telling me they dont?