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[Fate 6]

Tell me the best competitive Shadowhawk build please. 2AC5s, PPC? Or 2PPCs, AC5? Or PPC+AC10? 4SSRMs, 2LL?

I've been running my fun builds for a while but my clan needs some competitive Shads.

[Escef]

I've had a lot of success running my 2H with a 300 XL, endo, LL, AC2 w/2 tons ammo, BAP, 3 Streaks w/2 tons ammo, 11 double sinks, AMS, and 368 armor. The AC2 harasses at range and acts almost like a MG up close, the LL is solid firepower, and the streaks are good against lights (and not bad versus bigger mechs).

[juxstapo]

forums quickly divide between the 2xAC/5 and 3xAC/2 parties.

[Fate 6]

Pretty sure AC2's aren't going to work in a realistic 12man game. I don't know if you've played it recently but it's basically just jump-shoot-drop arty-run-repeat.

[Johnny Reb]

It really depends on what your clan wants you to do in it. It can run so many builds.

[Livewyr]

2xPPC-UAC5 seems to be my good "sniper"

DPS-type: UAC5/2xAC2/ML

[Johnny Reb]

Or light defense with:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...16207428ff31eff
maybe not so viable now but.......

[Gyrok]

Ok, my favorite 3 builds, 1 per chassis:

2H:
UAC5, ERLL, 2xSRM6, XL300, 2xJJs, Maxed armor except for the legs, and 2 tons SRM ammo, 3 tons UAC5 ammo.

2D2:
LBX10, 4xSSRM2s, 2xML, BAP, *XL275/280, 2xJJs, Maxed armor except for the legs, 3 tons LBX ammo, and 2-3 tons SSRM ammo.

5M:
AC10, 2xERLL, *XL275/280, 2xJJs, Maxed armor except for legs, 3 tons AC10 ammo.

Other builds will work ok, but those are particularly effective.

*either XL275 or XL280 as they weigh the same, XL275 is 89.1 after speed tweak and XL280 is 90 after speed tweak.

[Samziel]

For competitive, ERPPC and 2 AC5s.

I personally love the triple AC2 build. It's great for destroying components if you can aim. Works good on blowing off those torsos.

[Fate 6]

Samziel, on 19 December 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

For competitive, ERPPC and 2 AC5s.

I personally love the triple AC2 build. It's great for destroying components if you can aim. Works good on blowing off those torsos.

I was running that with XL280 and it seemed like a very hot build with limited ammo. Do you downgrade the engine?

[Samziel]

Fate 6, on 19 December 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

I was running that with XL280 and it seemed like a very hot build with limited ammo. Do you downgrade the engine?

You mean AC2s or dual AC5 with ERPPC? Both builds are jumpy sniperbuilds so you don't really need to be that fast. With XL 255 it goes 82 kph (tweaked) and that's enough for me.

I'll do a build on smurfy hold on.
SHD-2H TripleAC2
SHD-2H 2xAC5+ERPPC
Here.

I personally love to have BAP on everything, especially in TripleAC2 because you are trying to destroy components and thus you need to get the information faster. It is one of the best items for its tonnage and gives you 2 modules and you counter ECM close range. However, you can choose to have it or use the 1,5 tons for something else.

That amount of ammo with AC2s should be enough. However, when approaching amount of 100 you should start using chain fire to preserve ammo.

EDIT

Woops one ton less ammo than I usually have. Swap one DHS for ammo.

Edited by Samziel, 19 December 2013 - 08:24 AM.

[627]

Samziel, on 19 December 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

You mean AC2s or dual AC5 with ERPPC? Both builds are jumpy sniperbuilds so you don't really need to be that fast. With XL 255 it goes 82 kph (tweaked) and that's enough for me.

I'll do a build on smurfy hold on.
SHD-2H TripleAC2
SHD-2H 2xAC5+ERPPC
Here.

I personally love to have BAP on everything, especially in TripleAC2 because you are trying to destroy components and thus you need to get the information faster. It is one of the best items for its tonnage and gives you 2 modules and you counter ECM close range. However, you can choose to have it or use the 1,5 tons for something else.

That amount of ammo with AC2s should be enough. However, when approaching amount of 100 you should start using chain fire to preserve ammo.

EDIT

Woops one ton less ammo than I usually have. Swap one DHS for ammo.

Not sure about your 3AC2 Hawk, seems way to slow and why the hell you through away 1.5 tons for bap is beyond me.

This is mine:
SHD-2H

Armor distribution is not tweaked (lazy). Had that XL275 in my inv but you can take a XL280 here. The single ML is purely optional, take more ammo or another JJ and up the armor.



You can go even faster and a bit cooler:
SHD-2H

Edited by 627, 19 December 2013 - 08:34 AM.

[Samziel]

627, on 19 December 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Not sure about your 3AC2 Hawk, seems way to slow and why the hell you through away 1.5 tons for bap is beyond me.

This is mine:
SHD-2H

Armor distribution is not tweaked (lazy). Had that XL275 in my inv but you can take a XL280 here. The single ML is purely optional, take more ammo or another JJ and up the armor.



You can go even faster and a bit cooler:
SHD-2H

I already explained BAP. It is underestimated but actually the best item ingame. You get 2 modules (Sensor range and target info gathering)+ you counter ECM in close quarters. All that for 1,5 tons? Would be idiotic to not use it especially when you are going to do pinpoint damage to destroy components.

But the speed is not important for this. You are not a light hunter. You are a jumpsniper.

Edited by Samziel, 19 December 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[Effectz]

You guys need to stop focusing on the XL engines,when you're arms are gone from twisting and damage starts hitting your side torso's you are just going to explode.

But as an above posted stated,it depends one what your team wants.

Edited by Effectz, 19 December 2013 - 09:16 AM.

[Escef]

Effectz, on 19 December 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

You guys need to stop focusing on the XL engines,when you're arms are gone from twisting you are just going to explode.

You ALWAYS explode from focused, XL or no. SHDs handle XLs very well, and the extra speed buys a lot of survivability.

[LordBraxton]

Shadowhawks run XLs like a friggen dragon, XLs are a must unless you go for AC\20

I still think that pairing an AC\5 or UAC\5 with 2 AC\2s is the best option

So much shoulder mounted dakka on such a mobile package

[Samziel]

LordBraxton, on 19 December 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Shadowhawks run XLs like a friggen dragon, XLs are a must unless you go for AC\20

I still think that pairing an AC\5 or UAC\5 with 2 AC\2s is the best option

So much shoulder mounted dakka on such a mobile package

I never like using different autocannons on one mechs. Somehow it's annoying to use AC5 and 2 the same time as they have different firing speeds.

But again, that's just me

Edited by Samziel, 19 December 2013 - 09:22 AM.

[LordBraxton]

Samziel, on 19 December 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

I never like using different autocannons on one mechs. Somehow it's annoying to use AC5 and 2 the same time as they have different firing speeds.

But again, that's just me

I was averse to the idea for a long time, and once I tried it out for a bit on my shawk I became a believer

You can click at the fire rate of the (u)AC\5 and have 9 point groupings, and then for suppression or at close range just lay on the trigger

I've gotten really good at keeping the flow of projectiles on the same location, and you can core out assault mechs in seconds, especially if you have a UAC5 on a lucky streak

[Sandpit]

SHD-2D2

This is one of my favs for killing big stuff, not much of a squirrel hunter though

[Trauglodyte]

I run my 2H with an ER PPC, 3 Streaks, BAP, and AMS (am currently running 3 MGs along with it without AMS and 1 less DHS). I've also experimented with dropping the Streaks/BAP and running three SMR wracks. The latter is good in close combat for stripping armor and letting your teammates finish things off. With a 330xl engine (106 kph w/ ST), you're fast enough to get in and get out if you're a decent pilot which I am not always 100% of the time.

I had originally run the 5M as a 5d (2 Md, 2 Streaks, BAP, and a UAC5) but the UAC sucks as a singular weapon. I also tried going with the stock 5M engine on all of the chassis and running multiple ACs but then you end up meat to lights. The one thing that I just downright hate about the SHawk is that you are either meat for the larger mechs or for the lighter mechs. You won't be a good recon mech in any build (not fast enoug and are too big) so you've got to resign yourself to one play style or the other. It isn't fun and have decided that my SHawk is just a Centurion with JJs and a 5 ton beer gut (ie, I'm not good at either of those mechs).