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[Mellowseven]

turning the graphic settings all the way down fixes it. the game looks horrible but it is playable again.

[ChapeL]

Back from more tests ( I'll pay for this tomorrow morning) Dropped in a Raven expecting to have more trouble with it due to how the window panes are angled and came up with nothing. I verified and my settings are at High. At this point it's pretty obvious I am not among those that are going to be affected by this but I am still curious. On which map is this worse ? ...and where on those maps ? Does different mech cockpits change something in it ? I am pushing this issue simply because I have yet to run into a situation where has some have described, you are blinded. Anyway, off to bed...

[Ashvins]

Please add a toggle or remove this UNWANTED feature. Adding things like this at this point in time only PROVES your still in BETA. Many dislike the feature, some get physically Ill, some like myself despise the feature. Of all the changes you have made to this game in the time I have been playing THIS one is the first I may leave the game over.

It is the first to affect me physically (no cockpit shake didn't) after a few matches the eye strain is unbearable. I get a headache from playing your game now. Not to mention in certain areas on many maps your visibility goes to zero. We can add that is is present in all vision modes making night vision USELESS.

For those who want more immersion all I have to say is give them a toggle for it if they really want it. I doubt this will be game breaking for many, but for me at least it is. I have supported this company with cash now I have to ask you at PGI: What have you done for me lately?

At current, made all the cash I have supported your company with be water down the drain.

I'll log in from time to time to see if you have fixed this but I will not support your company with any more cash til there is a fix to this.

[Sychodemus]

The dirty glass is wrong on so many levels*, but....

The annoyance is even greater if you wear eye-glasses that are likewise speckled (not to mention a dusty monitor screen), so three levels of crud is really immersive.


*sampler
1) Counter to canon as MechWarrior's wore neuro-helmets and were not three inches from the windscreen (nitpicky aye),
2) The grime is on the inside; fire/kill your AsTech.
3) After months working on improving graphics, they release something that conceals those same improvements.

Edited by Sychodemus, 21 January 2014 - 11:32 PM.

[Asmosis]

while we're on the subject of removing annoying features, please remove film grain. Or install windscreen wipers on that fancy new glass.

*edit*

this is somewhat amusing, within a few minutes playing my atlas I had a thumping headache (no enemy contact/shots/nadda) just from watching this green speckled stuff bounce up and down on my screen (it was in sync with the throbbing). Apologies to the JJ guys I was giving a hard time to, since I had no issues with the original JJ shake when sniping myself.

Edited by Asmosis, 21 January 2014 - 11:43 PM.

[BeezleBug]

nobody needs or ask for this "feature" and the people have big problems with motion sickness and headache.
turn it off and do a rework, but who am i kidding, hey do nothing, as allways. film grain is still in this game a it looks terrible

@Surmuri
lol you stop playing this game?!..., yeah for sure^^ cu

Edited by BeezleBug, 21 January 2014 - 11:44 PM.

[ImperialKnight]

when i first read about cockpit glass, i assumed some effect like cracks when your cockpit armor was breached. what we have right now is........

[Al Bert]

Jabilo, on 21 January 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

Yes the problem I find is that the effect "bounces" up and down with cockpit movement.[...]

Ever looked on your window at home when the sun is shining in the morning at low angle? If you move inside your apartment, the "glare" effects also move. So I actually think it is quite a realistic behaviour of the effect. One can discuss for sure if the effect is too strong and should be tuned but overall, i like it a lot! Despite the fact that in the lore, the Mechs do not have windows but displays, it is quite a nice effect. I like to see debris from explosions too and destrcutable environment etc.

[Evil Ed]

I'd like to have some blinding effect when looking at the sun, that would give another tactical option: attack with the sun in your back! The dirt on the windscreen is a pain. My eyes constantly tries to focus and I guess that is what causes headache and motion sickness to some players. Remove the dirt or make a toggle.

Edited by Evil Ed, 21 January 2014 - 11:59 PM.

[Kuga ZA]

It's going to screw with my film making.

My latest video for proof I actually do make videos.

[Aegic]

+1 for adding a toggle. People seem to be capable of complaining about everything anything.

It baffles me that this could give anyone a headache. I don't understand. It is a very minimal effect. I can only assume based off of posts I have read here that:

-People do not drive
-cannot drive
-drive with no windshields
-or just drive with headaches.

I try to be sympathetic with most people and try to understand their point of view however, in this, I cannot fathom.

So yes add a toggle so we can quickly move away from this ridicules subject lol.

Edited by Aegic, 22 January 2014 - 12:02 AM.

[Cerulean Knight]

I admit, so far I have not found myself blinded by this change nor feeling ill after playing with it in. Personally, I love it! One of the items on my wishlist for this game was a glass effect similar to MW3, I loved the look (even without the shatter effect) there and have longed for it to be in this game. If we were looking out of a camera to the outside world (similar to what all 'mechs in Btech are suppose to have, but few seem to show), I could see this glass effect as being odd, but since we are looking out of a windshield, it makes sense to me. With that said, I can see were some people can have an issue with it. That, and it does seem more obvious on maps with a strong light source with darker textures (such as Tourmaline).

I've only played about ten games or so since the patch, but it seems the primary complaints focus on the fact that the dust scratches in the center of the cockpit glass become obvious when zoomed in. This can cause people to focus on the scratches causing a sense of movement in a completely different direction to the terrain. This can be fixed with relative ease by either adjusting the opacity of the texture down in the center of the windshield or even making the scratched glass texture in that area completely transparent, focusing the texture towards the corners of the cockpit windshield and thus out of general sight and combat focus. This seems more practical to do than introduce a toggle, as a toggle means adding programing into the mix which seems more error-prone than something that, from what I can tell, can be fixed by the art department.

Another complaint I saw was in regards to the glare. I'm not sure what can be done here, since I doubt adding a back to the player cockpits is going to happen (I believe they mentioned in the past about greater lighting errors and such), but this might be something that can also be fixed via the art department, perhaps by adjusting the material used for the glass and making it less reflective.

Edit: for ze bad spellingz

Edited by Cerulean Knight, 22 January 2014 - 12:13 AM.

[o0Marduk0o]

warp103, on 21 January 2014 - 10:22 PM, said:

so were are ridiculous. some are more effect by motion sickness I take meclizine each day. A f$%< you ******* . just because it does not effect you. How dare you .Now QQ that buthole. theere are alwat guy like you the think oh well it does not effect me so you must be whine. I love for you to have this condition and see how fun it is.

To pgi think before adding scrap. May sure you have a off button oh just in case

It might sounds hard but stop playing computer games then.

You won't see a scratch-free windshield on a battlefield and this is how it would look like. It is ridiculous that you want to sit there without a windshield in front of you.
The solution would be a sensor-plate instead of a window but then it might look like thermal-view all the time, not very appealing.

[S3dition]

Bartholomew bartholomew, on 21 January 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Yes it messes with me so much i put in a complaint at support. If you tried driving a car with that bad a windshield you would be wrecked on the side of the road quick.

It ain't giving me a headache but it is burning my eyes.

Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me. My car windshield DOES look like that

[Ashvins]

The reason for the headaches by some including myself is this new and improved feature is like looking through dirty glasses. It causes eye strain, and the older you are or the worse your vision, and how long you've been awake, the worse it is. So all you 10-40 year old's out there playing first thing when you get up with uncorrected 20/20 vision should have little to no problem. (I'll lay you money those of you who have no issue fit this category or close to it).

For those of us who have the problem if it happens in real life we just clean our glasses but thanks to the brilliant *NOT* programmers at PGI we can't. Trust me when I say even those with perfect 20/20 vision can succumb to eye strain if exposed to the factors too long.

This was a not just bad but totally **** poor decision on PGI's part. By making it layered like looking through eye glasses it causes eye strain on many of us. Eye strain can cause mild to severe symptoms and thank's to PGI we can't take the most simple corrective measure.

[Jam the Bam]

Personally love it, adds way more to the immersion and doesn't affect my gameplay at all, though I wouldn't complain if there was an option to make it completely transparent.

As long as they don't roll it back, at adds loads to the experience for some of us.

[Jam the Bam]

Ashvins, on 22 January 2014 - 01:00 AM, said:

The reason for the headaches by some including myself is this new and improved feature is like looking through dirty glasses. It causes eye strain, and the older you are or the worse your vision, and how long you've been awake, the worse it is. So all you 10-40 year old's out there playing first thing when you get up with uncorrected 20/20 vision should have little to no problem. (I'll lay you money those of you who have no issue fit this category or close to it).

Isn't eye strain caused by your eyes attempting to focus on a distant object while there is something between you? As in your eyes almost try to focus on 2 objects at once with dirty glasses? In that case this shouldn't be a problem since you are looking at a flat screen regardless of what's on it.

Not arguing really, just trying to understand why this is suddenly causing such world ending problems.

[Rhalgaln]

I knew this would be a bad thing but its even worse.

The pseudo glass texture is really disturbing and annoying.

And since the glass doesn't crack on cockpit hits its far useless and not really more immersive.

Who ever wished this {Scrap}? - please give us a toggle in the game settings.

[skorpionet]

also there is a huge fps drop.... please put a toggle.

[Smitti]

You are all kidding, right? Headaches? Please...


I heardly notice it. In fact I have to actively look for it to notice it.

Pfft.

Leave it, looks good.

Edited by Smittiferous, 22 January 2014 - 04:03 AM.