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[xhrit]

wanderer, on 03 February 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

175 tons of AFK, non-firing opponents makes that 10-10 with a 75-ton differential. Note the two 0 damage-dealt assaults who were AFK farming.

I am pretty sure they got one shotted as they walked alone into our blob.

Mudhutwarrior, on 03 February 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Same guys now covering for GG.

Yep, you see them GL&HF at the start, roll you then you Get GG or GGclose at the end if its a stomp. Everyone knows what it means and you excuses just don't fly. When you use the same terms as the worst of the pug stompers your seen as the same.

Don't give me any of it. We know what you really mean by it by now.

Cry more, nub.

[Sandpit]

wanderer, on 03 February 2014 - 04:24 AM, said:

My coaches back in soccer

This is totally a different subject but that right there is part of what's wrong with a few things....

Look I get it, people are mad when they get stomped. Guess what, that doesn't mean you get to be a sore loser and say "You can't say GG because I didn't have a GG" There's no "victim" here. It's a video game.

I say it even when I get stomped. Why? Because it's sportsmanship and again, I'm not changing my personal belief to placate a few butt hurt players because they get beat worse than they felt they should have and it was "unfair".
I'll just end this by saying this is how you create the whole "victim" phenomenon. You can no longer be happy or be rewarded for winning, you have to be sad because they other side lost badly. They're somehow "victims" and should be coddled and pampered when they lose.

When I played sports in high school (football, baseball, hockey, track) I lined up at the end of the game and congratulated winners after my team lost. I didn't curl up under the bench and QQ about how they should have made the game more "fair"

The superbowl was last night. The Seahawks (yea yea yea, I don't want to hear it Russ) stomped the daylights out of the Broncos. Do you think the game should have been stopped? Do you think players on the Seahawks shouldn't have ran out and said GG to members of the Broncos?

What we really need here are more players ceasing the whole "I'm a victim" thing and understand that there are no victims. Are there Dbags out there that attempt to drop in games against newer players? Of course there are. There's going to be that in every single PvP online game you play. There's also players out there who just join up with buddies and hit the launch button with no "evil intentions".

[wanderer]

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I am pretty sure they got one shotted as they walked alone into our blob.

Suicide farmer. Same difference, or else said pilot should only be allowed to guide their drool tube into their mouth, with someone to help them not accidentally jam it up their nose and cause further dain bramage.

0 damage = 0 contribution other than being a walking target. And think about how bad the MM had to be to give you TWO mouthbreathers of that magnitude if it's true. My 6-year old nephew can flail a laser around and die having done more damage than that.

[xhrit]

Sandpit, on 03 February 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

I say it even when I get stomped. Why? Because it's sportsmanship and again, I'm not changing my personal belief to placate a few butt hurt players because they get beat worse than they felt they should have and it was "unfair". I'll just end this by saying this is how you create the whole "victim" phenomenon. You can no longer be happy or be rewarded for winning, you have to be sad because they other side lost badly. They're somehow "victims" and should be coddled and pampered when they lose.

I say GG espacally when I gert stompped. It does not happen often that I am on the losing side of a landslide, and when it does, it is because the other team played harder then I did, and deserved to win.

Good for them, so I offer my congrats.

This whole "victim phenomenon" is a result of what I call the "loser mentality". The difference between a winner and a loser is all in the mind.

Losers externalize their problems.

They fail to plan for success thinking others will carry them to victory.
They blame others when they are not carried (my team sucks).
They make excuses to why it is not their fault they lost. (matchmaker sucks, no fair cheater, omg hacks)
They dwell on the negative experiance - a loser will have a huge screenshot collection of their losses, documenting all the imbalanced matches and one sided stomps they suffered through.
Finally the loser will convince themselves there is no hope to change.

Winners internalize their problems.

They know that the only way they will succeed is if they have a plan of action, and said plan is more thoroughly researched then their opponents
They blame themselves. When they lose, it is because the winner didn't personally carry their whole team hard enough.
They congratulate themselves because they know the only reason their side won is because they are so great.
They dwell on the positives - they have a library of epic wins in their screenshot folder.
Finally, a winner will convice themselves that no matter the opponent, it is never hopeless - they can change tactics and overcome any obstacle.

Edited by xhrit, 03 February 2014 - 12:30 PM.

[Sandpit]

xhrit, on 03 February 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

I say GG espacally when I gert stompped. It does not happen often that I am on the losing side of a landslide, and when it does, it is because the other team played hard and deserved to win.

Good for them, so I offer my congrats.

This whole "victim" phenomenon is a result of what I call the "loser mentality". The difference between a winner and a loser is all in your head.

Losers externalize their problems.

They fail to plan for success thinking others will carry them to victory.
They blame others when they are not carried (my team sucks).
They make excuses to why it is not their fault they lost. (matchmaker sucks, no fair cheater, omg hacks)
They dwell on the negative experiance - a loser will have a huge screenshot collection of their losses, documenting all the imbalanced matches and one sided stomps they suffered through.
Finally the loser will convince themselves there is no hope to change.

Winners internalize their problems.

They know that the only way they will succeed is if they have a plan of action, and said plan is more thoroughly researched then their opponents
They blame themselves. When they lose, it is because the winner didn't personally carry their whole team hard enough.
They congratulate themselves because they know the only reason their side won is because they are so great.
They dwell on the positives - they have a library of epic wins in their screenshot folder.
Finally, a winner will convice themselves that no matter the opponent, it is never hopeless - they can change tactics and overcome any obstacle.

Well that was the whole thing I was trying to avoid. One of my favorite episodes of King of the Hill is when Bobby quits football to join soccer. It shows the difference between competition and "everyone should be winners". It's the same with the bully mentality. Now it's run and scream as loud as you can to everyone who will listen instead of just turning around and popping the Dbag in the eye for trying to be a bully.
Now don't get me wrong, violence is a last resort but sometimes what you really need to do is suck it up and slug the bully right in the old pie hole.
It's just like the difference between runnign over to help someone getting mugged or calling 911 and hoping someone else stops it.
We get similar mentalities here. No things aren't "fair" but they're equal. Every player has the same opportunities, equipment, etc. yet some rise to the top and some float towards the bottom end. That's life in general. There's always going to be a winner and a loser (or in rare cases a tie), and there's always going to be those who blame everything they can but themselves for it.

That doesn't mean those on the bottom end shouldn't have fun playing. That's saying that those on the bottom-end need to internalize a little more of the "issues" and stop expecting everyone else to make it easier for them. Every game doesn't end in a stomp. The majority of games don't end in stomps. Half the games dont' end in stomps. So if a minority of games end in stomps then the entire community should be shifted and moved to "help" those that aren't doing well?

The whole "I'm a victim" thing gets old. Especially when discussing a video game. A free video game that is not required to accomplish ANYthing in life. No one here is a victim of anything other than losing a video game.

With that said, sure things should be adjusted to help mitigate those stomps. They should especially be adjusted so new players aren't subjected to them repeatedly. If you've been playing this game for several months or a couple of years and are "always" getting stomped, it MIGHT be time to start looking at your own abilities and skills. In every single match, win, loss, stomp, etc. there is only ONE constant. That's the individual player. Instead of being a "victim" of some sort of devious conspiracy to prevent you from enjoying a niche video game, maybe take steps to improve your individual skill and abilities.

[NRP]

A rather obnoxious tryhard once proclaimed in chat after a stomp that "GG" really means "Get Good".

That is probably why people don't like seeing it typed after a lopsided match.

Edited by NRP, 03 February 2014 - 12:39 PM.

[wanderer]

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The superbowl was last night. The Seahawks (yea yea yea, I don't want to hear it Russ) stomped the daylights out of the Broncos. Do you think the game should have been stopped? Do you think players on the Seahawks shouldn't have ran out and said GG to members of the Broncos?

Actually, no- because it's required by their contracts to do so. They had to play it out or would have suffered massive fines, likewise they have to go out there and be "sportsmanlike" and professional.

But to answer your question, odds are the Seahawks were told to let off a bit towards the end lest they cost the sponsors millions for a yawnfest shutout of Denver. That is, should you just let the other side kill a few of your 'Mechs to make the terribad matchup not seem so lopsided?

[Sandpit]

wanderer, on 03 February 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

likewise they have to go out there and be "sportsmanlike"

Exactly

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I lost"
"You guys are dbags for saying gg after beating us!"
"You shouldnt' say GG because it makes ME feel bad after losing badly"
"You only won because (insert popular bandwagon here)"

or

"GG"

Which one is showing better sportsmanship?

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 03 February 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Same guys now covering for GG.

Yep, you see them GL&HF at the start, roll you then you Get GG or GGclose at the end if its a stomp. Everyone knows what it means and you excuses just don't fly. When you use the same terms as the worst of the pug stompers your seen as the same.

Don't give me any of it. We know what you really mean by it by now.

Good thing i give less than 0 ***** about what you have to say. I'll continue to type gg after every match win or lose, stomp or stomped. Its the way i am and it isnt going to change.

[Ngamok]

A banana in the tailpipe, on 31 January 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

I backed up my research and data with facts. Those screens and my personal experience over the past 48 hours conclude the matchmaker is borked and player's claims of constant "stomps" are true. PGI can ignore it and bleed players or offer incentives to bring fresh blood into the game so that there is a greater pool for the matchmaker to draw from. PGI is either too cheap or stupid to do this.

Have a nice day.

Our little buddy finally bought a mech and guess what he does with it:

http://cloud-2.steam...4EA3BB525975E4/

[mack sabbath]

Daddy always told me, "Son, show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a loser."

GG!

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Ngamok, on 15 February 2014 - 12:37 PM, said:

Our little buddy finally bought a mech and guess what he does with it:

http://cloud-2.steam...4EA3BB525975E4/

Hey I remember that since I was the one standing over his shoulder who told him scuttle it. Anyways he didn't have it set up for hot maps nor use to using a heavy at all. Every other shot 60%+ heat so I suggested it was easier for him to just leave and find a new match. Appreciate the fact he's got the sense enough to try and warn his team using chat which is something I consider futile at best.

He jumps on my rig from time to time to play since his craptop can't run MWO well enough. I also got a nice chuckle out of the MM still placing his newbie rear with forum regs and stomps which is why my boycott remains intact. Sadly its getting results as I see this community is but a speck of what it once was. That also has to do with regulars turning threads into stomps, but that's another issue all together.

[Warblood]

Every game I drop in I tell everyone to "hf n gl" and end every game wit "gg" or "well played".

Because it's sportsmanlike conduct.
http://dictionary.re...e/sportsmanlike

[Shae Starfyre]

This has nothing to do with gameplay balance, because the games are not balanced to begin with; teams against causal and new players must be resolved first in order to determine if it is the mechs, the weapons, or what! How is there a logical debate over anything balanced without first seperating casual players from organized teams?

Wait; this one may have some bearing.

[Joseph Mallan]

Stevie Ray Vaughan, on 15 February 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Daddy always told me, "Son, show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a loser."

GG!

Daddy was a sore winner I see.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 16 February 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

Daddy was a sore winner I see.

That's assuming he really is a winner.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mystere, on 16 February 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

That's assuming he really is a winner.

Touche'

[Hellen Wheels]

Back in the day, I played a few years in the chess scene. Played a few tournies a year, only Class B and a piker, but it was fun. One tourney, I got paired against The Walrus...a portly, long time Life Master, several times champion of the Dallas Chess Club. I knew it would be a stomp, he knew it would be a stomp, but the "Good Luck" and "Good Game" he delivered was just as gentlemanly as if he had played an IM.

Problem with the internet, you can't tell if the guy on the other side of the screen has class or not. I just pretend they do.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hellen Wheels, on 16 February 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Back in the day, I played a few years in the chess scene. Played a few tournies a year, only Class B and a piker, but it was fun. One tourney, I got paired against The Walrus...a portly, long time Life Master, several times champion of the Dallas Chess Club. I knew it would be a stomp, he knew it would be a stomp, but the "Good Luck" and "Good Game" he delivered was just as gentlemanly as if he had played an IM.

Problem with the internet, you can't tell if the guy on the other side of the screen has class or not. I just pretend they do.

A very good belief to have Hellen.

[Joseph Mallan]

wanderer, on 03 February 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Actually, no- because it's required by their contracts to do so. They had to play it out or would have suffered massive fines, likewise they have to go out there and be "sportsmanlike" and professional.

But to answer your question, odds are the Seahawks were told to let off a bit towards the end lest they cost the sponsors millions for a yawnfest shutout of Denver. That is, should you just let the other side kill a few of your 'Mechs to make the terribad matchup not seem so lopsided?

No. I am not from a generation where you do things like that. Unless as a coach you were "not taking chances" that your 1st string players MIGHT get injured in a game that was already won. As a high school wrestler I had to grapple with competitors that wrestled on the State team. I had no business on the mats with those boys, but there I was tied into a pretzel in seconds and humbled in front of crowds. Its called building character. I have a LOT of character let me tell you.