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[CMetz]

I don't recall anywhere that it was stated the next mech would be 35 tons. That being said, I'm almost certain it'll be either the Firestarter or Javelin. I'd honestly love it to be the Javelin, though. It has 3 distinct variants, and one of them carries ECM. Could be quite interesting. Also, a hero would be easy to build as it could simply be a cross between the missile variant and the energy variant. I'd think twice about the Firestarter, even though it could look fantastic in game. The Javelin, however, is a mech I'd be all over. Also, the Javelin would be the first Fed Suns oriented light.

Also, the Valkyrie is most definitely one of the Macross Unseen. (sad, because its another very Davion mech)

[Asakara]

CMetz, on 29 January 2014 - 05:03 AM, said:

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Also, the Valkyrie is most definitely one of the Macross Unseen. (sad, because its another very Davion mech)

[MeiSooHaityu]

Spector!
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector

3 variants and 35 tons

Controversial because only rumored to be in the field prior to 3053 (in the hands of a Merc unit called McCarron's Armored Cavalry as early as 3048). Has ECM and JJs. along with a MASC variant.

Sounds like an ok guess

[Lord Perversor]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 January 2014 - 06:31 AM, said:

Spector!
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector

3 variants and 35 tons

Controversial because only rumored to be in the field prior to 3053 (in the hands of a Merc unit called McCarron's Armored Cavalry as early as 3048). Has ECM and JJs. along with a MASC variant.

Sounds like an ok guess

Must recognize it fits, since McCarron's served Liao exclusively until 3060 may fit to the a single faction mech confirmed by the Devs.

Still to resummarize the knowledge so far.

-Light
-Humanoid
-Specialized role
-Controversial (Spec role and controversial can be the same if all variants are ECM capable to mimick the null signature )
-Belongs or recognized mostly as a single house mech
-People would love and have fun with this one.. (said by Russ) so probably somewhat competitive..

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[Finestaut]

I'm really hoping it turns out to not be a 35 tonner. That weight class is pretty thoroughly dominated by Jenners and Ravens. The Wolfhound and Firestarter bring nothing new to the table. Though, if we do get one of those two, I'd rather we get a Wolfhound, with an exaggerated wolf aspect to the head (if we're going to get useless fluff, it should at least look cool).

Personally, I want the Mongoose. It looks unique, and it's at a weight class that's not crowded.

[Butane9000]

My bet is on the 30 ton Javelin.

[SleepTrgt]

I dont understand why the firestarter would bring nothing new but the mongoose would.
The mongoose seems really similar as the commando (besides looks and stock speed wich does not matter because of speed limits)

Firestarter can be controversial if you look at it hardpoint wise, many hardpoints jj, even ecm on one variant.
Its very specialised (if you look at the original purpose)
sarna's variants look even diverse (ballistic and energy, one variant even has missiles)

There is no 35 ton mech with arms and so many guns people might call it OP, so yea it might be controversial.

I would not mind the mongoose as it looks cool, but would be very similar to commando. (The way you use it)

Edited by SleepTrgt, 29 January 2014 - 09:25 AM.

[Iacov]

Lord Perversor, on 29 January 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

-People would love and have fun with this one.. (said by Russ) so probably somewhat competitive..

i do not want to offend anybody...but competitiveness = fun? rly? o_O
i mean...it's still a game, right?

[Bishop Steiner]

Asakara, on 28 January 2014 - 11:51 PM, said:

If it ends up being 30 tons I am going to speculate that it is the Valkyrie.

It is not un/reseen but still has that Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk look. It is a 30 tonner with missiles and energy which we do not have at this time. It has many variants with 3 that fit in the current timeline (QA, QF, and QD).

In 3050 it is designated as one of the standard light mechs of the Federated Commonwealth faction. The jump jets are supplied by the St. Ives Compact (splintered from Liao) as the Davion factory which made them before was captured by Kurita.




http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Valkyrie

actuallym the Valkyrie is Unseen. Macross unseen. And thus taboo. Doesn't help that it even has the macross name ofr the veritech aka valykrie fighter. But legs, upper torso and head are pure macross.

Banky, on 29 January 2014 - 05:02 AM, said:

Here it is in smurfy's... I took the liberty of adding a "100" size engine because it's all we have - and nearly doubles the speed of the stock urbie. Obviously it's the smallest engine we have, and likely the largest the urbie can fit - so maybe you could save a half-ton staying with a 60... I've even given it the advantage of running the best hit boxes in the game. Take the Pepsi challenge and run this for a night - then tell us all how fun it was

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...db4e6f149b19708

many of us have. Me, Utilyan, others. I had quite a bit of fun, as did Utilyan. Had to think extra hard about how you approached the fight, but that was part of the fun.

[Strum Wealh]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 January 2014 - 06:31 AM, said:

Spector!
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector

3 variants and 35 tons

Controversial because only rumored to be in the field prior to 3053 (in the hands of a Merc unit called McCarron's Armored Cavalry as early as 3048). Has ECM and JJs. along with a MASC variant.

Sounds like an ok guess

The SPR-4F is extinct by 3050 (outside of rumors of McCarron's Armored Calvary having a few) & would require implementing both the Chameleon Light Polarization Shield (Phantom Crash style optic camouflage) and the Null Signature System (renders the unit invisible to IR/thermal, plus pre-adjustment ECM effects) - both of which are perma-LosTech.

The SPR-5F doesn't come into being until 3053, the SPR-5S does not come into being until 3067, and the SPR-ST does not come into being until 3068.

Given what we know of PGI's 'Mech/equipment selection process, the likelihood of it being the Spector is so small as to be effectively non-existent.

While the UrbanMech has the requisite number of extant variants (UM-R60, UM-R60L, UM-R50, UM-R63), the upcoming Light is arguably more likely to be something that doesn't require overhauling the game's Engine system (as the UMs would all come with a STD 60 Engine, which gives them an upper limit of 85 on their Engine ratings (60 * 1.4 = 84, round to nearest multiple of 5); Engines with ratings below 100 don't work within PGI's current Engine/Cockpit/Gyro integration implementation) - each of the Hermes, Javelin, and Mongoose has the requisite number of distinct timeline-appropriate variants, can be implemented with the equipment currently in-game, and appears in the armies of each Successor State since 3028 (per the faction tables).

• Hermes (HER-1S, HER-1A, HER-3S/3S1/3S2)
  
• Javelin (JVN-10N, JVN-10F, JVN-10P)
  
• Mongoose (MON-66, MON-70, MON-67, MON-68)

Honorable mention also goes to the Thorn (THE-N, THE-S, THE-T) -it's not as common in-universe as the others, but it does meet all of the other criteria.

For the 35-ton bracket (in keeping with the thread title), it would have to be the Firestarter or the Wolfhound (since it apparently cannot be the Panther) - everything else of that tonnage is already in-game (Jenner, Raven), Unseen, Clan-built, out-of-timeline, or doesn't have enough variants.

[C E Dwyer]

hmm has anyone mentioned the venom yet..

its a spider like mech thats 35 tonnes and as there is lots of QQing about spiders all ready perhaps that's the controversy ?

Or the controversy could be in chosing a mech that wouldn't be in service in the IS because its so old, or its factories were wiped out many years ago like the firebee

or one introduced years early and packing a guass like the Hollander which shouldn't be ingame until 3054 and was built after seeing the Uller in action.

Off course if its the firestarter there you have the controversy, as people either love flamers and ask for them to be buffed, or people loath them and would like to see them removed

My vote is the firestarter, and the reason why is that it would encourage more people to use flamers and pgi could see what they need added or taken away to make them blalanced.

but if it is the firestarter the first thing i'll do is take out all the flamers so

Edited by Cathy, 29 January 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[LiGhtningFF13]

Please let it be a Hollander!

[Strum Wealh]

Cathy, on 29 January 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

hmm has anyone mentioned the venom yet..

its a spider like mech thats 35 tonnes and as there is lots of QQing about spiders all ready perhaps that's the controversy ?

Or the controversy could be in chosing a mech that wouldn't be in service in the IS because its so old, or its factories were wiped out many years ago like the firebee

or one introduced years early and packing a guass like the Hollander which shouldn't be ingame until 3054 and was built after seeing the Uller in action.

Off course if its the firestarter there you have the controversy, as people either love flamers and ask for them to be buffed, or people loath them and would like to see them removed

My vote is the firestarter, and the reason why is that it would encourage more people to use flamers and pgi could see what they need added or taken away to make them blalanced.

but if it is the firestarter the first thing i'll do is take out all the flamers so

The Venom is a wholly separate 'Mech from the Spider upon which it is based, despite both of them using the same "SDR-xx" designation - much like how the Marauder II is a wholly separate 'Mech from the original Marauder despite both of them using the same "MAD-xx" designation.
Moreover, the Venom doesn't have enough in-timeline variants - the SDR-9k would be extant, but the SDR-9KA doesn't come into being until 3056, the SDR-9KB doesn't come into being until 3057, and the SDR-9KC doesn't come into being until 3066.

PGI also indicated in ATD #50 (specifically, in the responses to questions #13 and #43) that they would be sticking with 'Mechs and tech that are available during the "current" era (that is, in/around 3050), which means that extinct chassis (and equipment) & chassis (and equipment) that have not been invented yet can be safely assumed to be not-in-the-running.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 29 January 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

The SPR-4F is extinct by 3050 (outside of rumors of McCarron's Armored Calvary having a few) & would require implementing both the Chameleon Light Polarization Shield (Phantom Crash style optic camouflage) and the Null Signature System (renders the unit invisible to IR/thermal, plus pre-adjustment ECM effects) - both of which are perma-LosTech.

The SPR-5F doesn't come into being until 3053, the SPR-5S does not come into being until 3067, and the SPR-ST does not come into being until 3068.

Given what we know of PGI's 'Mech/equipment selection process, the likelihood of it being the Spector is so small as to be effectively non-existent.

While the UrbanMech has the requisite number of extant variants (UM-R60, UM-R60L, UM-R50, UM-R63), the upcoming Light is arguably more likely to be something that doesn't require overhauling the game's Engine system (as the UMs would all come with a STD 60 Engine, which gives them an upper limit of 85 on their Engine ratings (60 * 1.4 = 84, round to nearest multiple of 5); Engines with ratings below 100 don't work within PGI's current Engine/Cockpit/Gyro integration implementation) - each of the Hermes, Javelin, and Mongoose has the requisite number of distinct timeline-appropriate variants, can be implemented with the equipment currently in-game, and appears in the armies of each Successor State since 3028 (per the faction tables).

• Hermes (HER-1S, HER-1A, HER-3S/3S1/3S2)
  
• Javelin (JVN-10N, JVN-10F, JVN-10P)
  
• Mongoose (MON-66, MON-70, MON-67, MON-68)

Honorable mention also goes to the Thorn (THE-N, THE-S, THE-T) -it's not as common in-universe as the others, but it does meet all of the other criteria.


For the 35-ton bracket (in keeping with the thread title), it would have to be the Firestarter or the Wolfhound (since it apparently cannot be the Panther) - everything else of that tonnage is already in-game (Jenner, Raven), Unseen, Clan-built, out-of-timeline, or doesn't have enough variants.

I agree with your reasoning, although ti is also arriving with UI2.0 which is supposedly massively rehauling the Mechlab and everything else anyhow. I would not be shocked entirely if the engine system is fixed and thus, the Urbie becomes the poster child for ui.20 (which could go rather badly, lol)

[tucsonspeed6]

The whole "controversial" thing has me for a loop because Russ talked like the mech had never been described as such around the office. So that leaves one of a few scenerios: 1) Russ is put of the loop (unlikely). 2) Brian and Russ were talking about 2 different mechs and Brian's controversial humanoid is yet to come later this spring. (Which is possible, but would throw out the whole conversation) or 3) the controversy is subtle. If it's option 3, don't get your hopes up for any urbies or omnis.

The way I see it, it's got to be option 3, because option 2 means 3 new light IS mechs in the near future. Feb 4th mech, controversial humanoid, and the flea, which can't be either since it's not humanoid and 'hero flea' is an oxymoron. With everything considered, it all just screams 'Firestarter' to me.

[Bishop Steiner]

tucsonspeed6, on 29 January 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

The whole "controversial" thing has me for a loop because Russ talked like the mech had never been described as such around the office. So that leaves one of a few scenerios: 1) Russ is put of the loop (unlikely). 2) Brian and Russ were talking about 2 different mechs and Brian's controversial humanoid is yet to come later this spring. (Which is possible, but would throw out the whole conversation) or 3) the controversy is subtle. If it's option 3, don't get your hopes up for any urbies or omnis.

The way I see it, it's got to be option 3, because option 2 means 3 new light IS mechs in the near future. Feb 4th mech, controversial humanoid, and the flea, which can't be either since it's not humanoid and 'hero flea' is an oxymoron. With everything considered, it all just screams 'Firestarter' to me.

actually, Russ is out of the loop with what players think, quite a bit.

[Lord Perversor]

Iacov, on 29 January 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

i do not want to offend anybody...but competitiveness = fun? rly? o_O
i mean...it's still a game, right?

Oh i do understand you but i wasn't pointing about competitive = meta but more like the Locust 3m, that still gives people the feel of bringing something to the fight despite it drawbacks.

P.S: i'm kinda kinky when it comes to fun i usually end with 6mg 2x LPL Jager-DD or Tag+Flamer Spider-5V or my skirmish mechs like Dragons and Quickdraws.

[mack sabbath]

My 5000 MC wager still stands:

It's a Firestarter, I guarantee!

[Utilyan]

Any 35 tonner would be controversial on account that it would be ANOTHER 35 tonner, skipping over 20s, 25s, 30s.

Right now its:

2 - 35ton 1 hero
1 - 30ton 0 hero
1 - 25ton 1 hero
1 - 20ton 0 hero

You just released a oxide hero recently, release another 35 tonner hero?


What ever light comes out next, Im pretty confident I will get it.



But honestly.......If the next hero to come out on the 4th was this it would SELL like hotcakes and make more money then all hero sales combined:

Can you imagine working lights/sirens and water hose? It would be THE TOY to get in this game.

I can hear the bad boys theme already......

Edited by Utilyan, 29 January 2014 - 10:11 AM.

[tucsonspeed6]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 January 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

actually, Russ is out of the loop with what players think, quite a bit.

I meant out of the loop within the PGI offices. He said he had never heard any of the devs refer to it as controversial, meaning that it was probably just a personal opinion of Brian's.