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[Hastur Azargo]

Not a bad 'mech, but it's certainly a victim of AntiP2W policy's overreach. I mean when you pay $15 for a light mech, you expect some bang for it, which, for instance, Ember delivers aplenty.

JJs are nice, but there's really not much you can do with ballistic/missile hardpoints wihin 35 tons. Quad MGs, streaks, some SRMs (was HSR fix in this patch after all?), all is ok, but all of that makes your viability depend heavily on how well your team is doing, so that an enemy assaultball with their armor still intact isn't something you can do anything about.

Add the issue of Raven leg hitboxes, and running out of ammo, and you get a mech which isn't very bad within its chassis only because just one of its brothers was a truly shining variant, with two others being mostly dust collectors.

If not for its ability to field twin AC2s, I would have regretted buying it, but without lasers to support that, it's still just a shadow of the Glorious 4xML + 2xAC2 BJ1 .

Now, if only 2 of Huginn's ballistic hardpoints were energy. Mmmmmmm...

Resume: dear PGI, please don't fear. We have Ilya, DS, Ember and Heavy Metal in this game. It's ok for a hero variant to be slightly more powerful than the regulars, or on par with the best regular variant, if there is one. Making gimped heroes that pale before the shining regulars only leads us to buyers' remorse. I mean I can artificially marry myself to an idea of loving the Oxide, but it just doesn't stand up to the confidence of Jenner-F jumping around dishing out 25-30 point laser alphas all day. And there are many such examples.

Oh, and signuture design matters too. Catapult hero not having missiles, moreover, being an energy boat, is something I'll be grumpy about for a long time.

[mechbane]

junk mech

[The Great Unwashed]

If changes are coming (bit too late I guess) then I'd love 1E/1B per arm, 1M in each side torso, 1E in the CT, ECM (JJ). Supports all good Raven build out there without looking the other lights. Then I'd buy one.

[o0Marduk0o]

The Great Unwashed, on 03 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

If changes are coming (bit too late I guess) then I'd love 1E/1B per arm, 1M in each side torso, 1E in the CT, ECM (JJ). Supports all good Raven build out there without looking the other lights. Then I'd buy one.

It would be better than all other Raven variants and this is exactly what they want to avoid.

[grml666]

Considering the EMBER, RVN-3l and RVN-4x the following hardpoint layout would be nice ...

2B per arm, 1E per side torso, JJ, ECM, engine cap 275 ...

Edited by grml666, 03 April 2014 - 02:27 AM.

[kesuga7]

Wheres the Huiginn hero video on youtube?!

Is there no good footage? D:

[That Dawg]

DocBach, on 01 April 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Being concerned about accusations of pay to win is one thing.... this over concern is causing us to have an outright worse versions of hero 'Mechs than the free to play options.

BUT you get your increased income from battles, no??

[Mason Grimm]

ThatDawg, on 03 April 2014 - 03:56 AM, said:

BUT you get your increased income from battles, no??

That is the crux of the matter now isn't it? Sure you might get a Cbill bonus but if the mech performs worse on the field you don't make as much money to begin with so chances are that the 30% cbill bonus might actually bring you up to par with what you could do in a non hero Raven like the 3L.

Try it out. Do 10 matches in a 3L kitted the way you like and then 10 matches in the H the way you like and see the difference in income.

[Reno Blade]

DocBach, on 01 April 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Being concerned about accusations of pay to win is one thing.... this over concern is causing us to have an outright worse versions of hero 'Mechs than the free to play options.

If possible, add your ideas/vote for each Hero here:
http://mwomercs.com/...h-improvements/
Note: the limit of polls is reached and can't add another poll for the Huggin.

[Mechteric]

Reno Blade, on 03 April 2014 - 05:52 AM, said:

If possible, add your ideas/vote for each Hero here:
http://mwomercs.com/...h-improvements/
Note: the limit of polls is reached and can't add another poll for the Huggin.

Remove the first question in the poll then add in Huggin.

[CMetz]

It really isn't as DOA as people are making it seem... I'm running it with 4 MG's and 2 SRM4's. My KDR currently sits at 1.78 with it and I'm averaging 300-400 dmg with it. (Dmg numbers are a bit skewed though because the MG's kill things quickly once they open up). I have all the elites on it already.

[Lucian Nostra]

CMetz, on 03 April 2014 - 07:07 AM, said:

It really isn't as DOA as people are making it seem... I'm running it with 4 MG's and 2 SRM4's. My KDR currently sits at 1.78 with it and I'm averaging 300-400 dmg with it. (Dmg numbers are a bit skewed though because the MG's kill things quickly once they open up). I have all the elites on it already.

but does that make it worthwhile? once you max it out will you actually drive it still vs a 3L or Ember? Im willing to bet you really won't drive it much..

How many La Malinche's do you see on the field now that the 3E is out? How many Pretty Baby's vs 8Rs and 9Ms. Boar's Heads vs DDcs.. They are ok Heroes but the c-bill variants are better and as you'd expect you see them more often.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 03 April 2014 - 07:21 AM.

[CMetz]

It may not be as strong as the 3L from a damage standpoint, but it kills things just as well. Is it the best light? Nope. Is it fun to run? YES! Will I still play it? Yes. There is really only one hero mech purchase I wish I could take back, and that is not because the mech is bad, its because I can't stand the chassis. (grumble grumble ihatehunchies grumble grumble)

[Voivode]

CMetz, on 03 April 2014 - 07:07 AM, said:

It really isn't as DOA as people are making it seem... I'm running it with 4 MG's and 2 SRM4's. My KDR currently sits at 1.78 with it and I'm averaging 300-400 dmg with it. (Dmg numbers are a bit skewed though because the MG's kill things quickly once they open up). I have all the elites on it already.

Yeah, that's the build I went with. It's fun, gets kills, does damage, and is completely different than any other light in game. I give it a thumbs up. I suspect some people really just wanted to buy a hero tag for their 3L.

[andrijkc]

bought it, love it - different, but fun to play

[Voivode]

Lucian Nostra, on 03 April 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

but does that make it worthwhile? once you max it out will you actually drive it still vs a 3L or Ember? Im willing to bet you really won't drive it much..

How many La Malinche's do you see on the field now that the 3E is out? How many Pretty Baby's vs 8Rs and 9Ms. Boar's Heads vs DDcs.. They are ok Heroes but the c-bill variants are better and as you'd expect you see them more often.

I think that's flawed logic. Even the widely considered "best" hero (Ilya Muromets) isn't seen as often as the standard variants of the chassis. I see more 3Ds than Ilyas, more Stalker 3F + 5S + 5M than Miserys, more of the standard Firestarters than the Ember. That doesn't mean those hero mechs are bad.

Sure, it's a for fun mech. Lots of mechs aren't "competitive" and are for fun. Only the individual pilot can decide if a for fun hero is worth it for them. For me, sure is.

[NRP]

Edward Mattlov, on 01 April 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

If they released powerful Hero mechs, the cries of "Pay to Win!" would reach epic proportions and echo to the farthest corners of the Earth and the internet.

But who cares? People already cry about everything in epic proportions that echo to the farthest corners of the Earth and Internet.

Crying is a given with this community. So may as well just give us useful hero mechs.

[Mark of Caine]

Mason Grimm, on 02 April 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

While this is only a micro poll compared to what most MWO polls are the following MechSpecs Huginn poll shows that people aren't really happy with the hero mech.



Yes, loving it!: 2 (8.3%)

No, it is garbage: 14 (58.3%)

No, it needs tweaking (explain): 5 (20.8%)

Don't care; I don't pilot lights: 3 (12.5%)



Add B and C and you get 79.1% of people are unhappy with the mech in one form or another.

Sorry but 24 people is barely an adequate sample size of the community. All you are doing is padding the numbers to make your flawed point.

[damonwolf]

I've bought several Hero mechs, and I enjoy piloting lights. I love my 3L, and was looking forward to the Raven Hero mech. That being said, this disappointment is a P O S !!! No one I know will waste real $$ on this. WTF were you thinking PGI?!?!

Want to make it better? I recommend you add at least one energy point to the center torso. Two would be better. THEN, only then, would this mech be worth anything.

[catspider]

WIth the exception of the Ember, the latest heroes have been quite bland. The huggins should have been equipped with ECM. There is already a better raven that has ECM and is available to everyone, so there would be no harm in giving ECM to the Huggins, especially since it only has 2 misslie slots and 4 ballistics.