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[Heffay]

Artgathan, on 14 April 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

What I'm really curious about is why 4 - 11 is not possible, but 4 - 10 works. Does needing 1 extra person really cause that much chaos to the MM? If so, why? It seems like a very arbitrary cutoff.

Well, they explained it in great detail in the very first post. Perhaps you didn't read the very first post in this thread?

[Davers]

Heffay, on 14 April 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

Nothing. But you're being given what you want (5-10 man groups) and are still whining. Why?

I think the problem is that it is a 'back burner' idea and 'front burner' ideas can take 2+ years.

[Bhael Fire]

Heffay, on 14 April 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

What's wrong with the proposed split from PGI? Same thing. Public queue, group queue. Accomplishes the same thing: 5-10 man groups now can play together, no problems.

TWO main reasons:

• That proposal does not allow for a SOLO ONLY queue. MANY solo players do NOT want to play with groups...even if it's only against one group.
  
• Does not allow for 11-12 man groups, forcing them to try to figure out what to do with them.

This is much better:


Public: Default

• Solo Only Queue
  
• Groups (2-12) + Solo Queue

Public: Faction Mode

• Solo Only Queue
  
• Groups (2-12) + Solo Queue

Private: Free Mode

• 12-Man Groups Only

Private: Premium Mode

• Any match size (2-24)
  
• Asymmetrical Matches (i.e. 2 vs 12, 5 vs 8, 1 vs. 1, etc)

Edited by Bhael Fire, 14 April 2014 - 07:30 PM.

[Davers]

Artgathan, on 14 April 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

What I'm really curious about is why 4 - 11 is not possible, but 4 - 10 works. Does needing 1 extra person really cause that much chaos to the MM? If so, why? It seems like a very arbitrary cutoff.

Because you need 12 players in a match and there are no solo players to take the 12th spot.

[Finster]

Artgathan, on 14 April 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

What I'm really curious about is why 4 - 11 is not possible, but 4 - 10 works. Does needing 1 extra person really cause that much chaos to the MM? If so, why? It seems like a very arbitrary cutoff.

Because PGI/Paul is great at overthinking these things. Just like overthinking how assaults should "feel" more lumbering than they already do. Or ghost heat... etc.

[Artgathan]

Heffay, on 14 April 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Well, they explained it in great detail in the very first post. Perhaps you didn't read the very first post in this thread?

No, I misunderstood it actually. I (for some reason or another) thought they'd be capping the entire queue at teams of 10 (IE: you'd only see 10v10 action in this queue, there would be no groups of 12). Hence my confusion.

Davers, on 14 April 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

Because you need 12 players in a match and there are no solo players to take the 12th spot.

Thanks, upon re-reading it I realized I'd misinterpreted what was happening in the queue.

Edited by Artgathan, 14 April 2014 - 07:36 PM.

[Davers]

Finster, on 14 April 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

Because PGI/Paul is great at overthinking these things. Just like overthinking how assaults should "feel" more lumbering than they already do. Or ghost heat... etc.

TBH there were several threads that suggested adding extra heat to alpha strikes, so Ghost Heat was not created in the vacuum of Paul's mind.

[TygerLily]

Ngamok, on 14 April 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

Yea, the next 20 some pages will be...

This is me watching..."Have you found any useful commentary yet?"

[BLOOD WOLF]

Roadbeer, on 14 April 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

OFFS, because we're not being "given" them, they're being discussed, in a "meh, we really don't want to do it" kinda way.

their being discussed because they need to get done doing what needs to be done first. I dont think it would matter if they gave you what you wanted. You would still whine about something, or am i wrong?

I already quoted paul; That being said, were just gonna have to wait till after CW. We knock them about promises but when they are trying to get things done, there is still something to be mad at. Started countless threads complaining is not the way to go.


"Now that you know some of the edge cases, let’s look at what we can do, but you need to keep in mind these problem areas."

Group Queue

• Allows 2-10 man groups.
  
• Groups can only play against other groups.
  
• No solo players.
  
• Match Maker will not make a team of 11 players
  
• Probability of longer wait times for teams to be built.
  
• Cannot incorporate exact tonnage matching like the other"-Paul

note how he says "we can do", meaning there is a chance for group ques. Problems can always be solved. Stop whining, all the damn time. You guys keep changing the argument just to complain some more. Just wait till they get what we all been waiting for out the way: Then they can work on what you want.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 14 April 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Sandpit]

Heffay, on 14 April 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

Nothing. But you're being given what you want (5-10 man groups) and are still whining. Why?

show me where we're getting that. I've asked you 4 times now. I'm still waiting for ANYone to show me where Paul said that

[Roadbeer]

BLOOD WOLF, on 14 April 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

their being discussed because they need to get done doing what needs to be done first. I dont think it would matter if they gave you what you wanted. You would still whine about something, or am i wrong?

You're wrong, I'm a one trick pony. All I've ever fought for was the ability to group with my friends, all of them, not 3 here and 3 there until we could make 12.

All the rest is just precedence about how when they say X, they really mean Y(x)

Jesus, a couple months ago, I was mocking those who would have been pissed about this. Now I see it from their side. Didn't effect me until it effected me.

Edited by Roadbeer, 14 April 2014 - 07:43 PM.

[Heffay]

Sandpit, on 14 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

show me where we're getting that. I've asked you 4 times now. I'm still waiting for ANYone to show me where Paul said that

Is this where you put in a "PGI LIED, PEOPLE DIED" comment?



You of all people know why they don't promise stuff. Getting them to look at it and have a proposed solution is exactly what you deserve to get.

Edited by Heffay, 14 April 2014 - 07:51 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Sandpit, on 14 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

show me where we're getting that. I've asked you 4 times now. I'm still waiting for ANYone to show me where Paul said that

Group Queue

• Allows 2-10 man groups.
  
• Groups can only play against other groups.
  
• No solo players.
  
• Match Maker will not make a team of 11 players
  
• Probability of longer wait times for teams to be built.
  
• Cannot incorporate exact tonnage matching like the other

"Now that you know some of the edge cases, let’s look at what we can do, but you need to keep in mind these problem areas."-Paul

____BOOOOOM< Where done. Paul said it can be done but their are problems and we all know problems can be fixed.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 14 April 2014 - 07:51 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Heffay, on 14 April 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

Is this where you put in a "PGI LIED, PEOPLE DIED" comment?

You of all people know why they don't promise stuff. Getting them to look at it and have a proposed solution is exactly what you deserve to get.

LOL, spoken like the terminally PUGGY or Comp team Tryhard. if you're not one of those, you're lucky you get anything, amirite?

[Davers]

Can someone explain to me why 6 players dropping into a lobby (with VOIP) and staying in that lobby for several drops all together is totally fine, but 6 players grouping up before entering the lobby is totally game breaking?

[BLOOD WOLF]

Davers, on 14 April 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Can someone explain to me why 6 players dropping into a lobby (with VOIP) and staying in that lobby for several drops all together is totally fine, but 6 players grouping up before entering the lobby is totally game breaking?

your talking about sync dropping? which isnt easy to do, and with the launch module will be even hard if not impossible.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 14 April 2014 - 07:53 PM.

[Heffay]

Roadbeer, on 14 April 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

LOL, spoken like the terminally PUGGY or Comp team Tryhard. if you're not one of those, you're lucky you get anything, amirite?

Ah, entitlement. It's not just a river in Egypt.

[Davers]

BLOOD WOLF, on 14 April 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

your talking about sync dropping? which isnt easy to do, and with the launch module will be even hard if not impossible.

No, I am not talking about sync dropping.

The point of having a lobby is that you don't go back to mechlab after every match. You stay in the lobby with all the same people you just played with and against, unless someone leaves.

[KingCobra]

All I can say is if after 3 years PGI/IGP does not bring back the ability to group with friends play private matches and have true leagues like all past PC MechWarrior games everyone should stop[ paying into the game let it=MWO die a quick death and hope a company like Bethsaida picks up the pieces and makes it back into a true MechWarrior game.

Edited by KingCobra, 14 April 2014 - 07:58 PM.

[Craig Steele]

Roadbeer, on 14 April 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

LOL, spoken like the terminally PUGGY or Comp team Tryhard. if you're not one of those, you're lucky you get anything, amirite?

Hey hey hey, Sandpit said no more personal stuff.

Play fair or go to your room.