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[Wiley Coyote]

I purchased the Legendary Founders for a few reasons and I don't find it to be a money grab, 1) I'm investing in a Canadian company making a game that I want to play, 2) I like the way the Piranha staff have interacted with the community and 3) I see it as a smart investment with regards to my time when the game is released. I won't be able to play as often as I'd like and the chance to have four starting mech classes and boosts to XP/Cbills will make better use of my time. Instead of grinding using a single Founders mech constantly, I can now enjoy the game with one of four mechs (whichever I feel like playing at that moment) and still get the bonuses. And I'll still have room to buy others as they come out if I want.

Unfortunately, not everyone is able to buy what they want and will have to make due with what they can afford. I've been in that boat. Piranha has given us options and you buy what you can afford or you don't buy any of them. Your choice.

[Gillium]

atlas?catapult? s'all about madcat

[Elkarlo]

Rayzor, on 20 June 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

I believe a Firestarter would be more efficient...

You are right, personally i would prefer a Whm-6L Hot Hammer.

But back to Topic.
He is right it is a Money Grab, because they need the Money to rent the Servers.
I don't think that they will have a Computer Centre on their own in the Starts but will rent Capacity in one.
Lets do some Numbers Crunching. They will start with around 10.000 Players daily average this means around 420 games, which means that they will need around 60 Dual Blades ( guess 4 Games per Cpu core for fluent) this is a full stocked IBM Blade center.
This cost around 10.000$ a month for average traffic and Gaming. Thats ONLY the Server Bill.
No Food no Housing nothing for the Developers their Family for Support etc...
Normaly you need around 5-10$ per Player to have a F2P Cost effectiv running. And the 30.000-60.000 (tzhink they aim at 20.000 average) Bill have to be payed three Month advanced. Btw 60.000 would be the IBM rack without Power and Internet bill for 10.000 players.

So Yes they make a Money Grab to have a warm House too and let us play.

[DocBach]

Wait, you mean businesses try to generate profit and revenue??

[12Strings]

i really think that people who take offence at other people spending money on things, or companies that sell things, should have a hard look at themselves and what they spend their own monies on or sell to others.
i do believe someone has a log in their eye.










gimmie an atlas and i'll help remove it........





wont charge much either

[zWolfman]

The OP wrote a good opinion piece and I respect that - The title of the post is hilarious - you might as well have written:

"This whole making video games thing is an obvious money grab."

Duh, the reason most companies exist is to make money, that seems obvious to most people. That said, I will admit that most every single one of your points from your article, were present in my mind as I clicked 'buy'.

I think what 'we are seeing,' that you aren't is that:

A) we (or at least 'I' - I probably shouldn't speak for my lance mates,) hope that you are wrong - and that this studio that hasn't really made anything that I got all weak in the knees over in the past - will knock this baby out of the park and really shine with it.

We cling to this belief because the information that we have so far indicates that's how it's going to be and, well I'll be honest, I just really really really WANT it to be like that.

many of us are 'Voting' with our consumer Dollars just so that 'Mech' Games look viable in the Market and hopefully will thrive where previously there really haven't been that many offerings over the last decade.

Even if this crashes and burns, I hope that there is enough of a showing that video game makers every where will see that there is a market here that needs filled. But I'll refer back to point A - I really really really hope that it doesn't 'fail' and we have an amazing game.

So anyway - I liked reading your points, though I think the basis of your argument is flawed, because of course a company is going to try to 'make money'.

I for one, hope that the DO make a ton of money, and, though I have 'low expectations', I have hope that the game will far exceed my expectations and be amazing.

For you, and those that feel the same as you do, the path is obvious - you wait till the game comes out, and play it for free, you don't lose any cash - and THEY get to showcase a product to you, that if it ends up being something that you like, you'll probably give them some cash for.

As for me and my house, we will serve the concept that taking a 'leap of faith' should be rewarded, and we will bounce around in our shiny 'Founders Mechs' and post on the forums with our shiny 'Founder Badges' and hope that you end up being wrong - and that the Game fulfills our wildest fantasy's.

Thanks, and enjoy your ' free to play ' game (made possible by those willing to take a leap of faith.) :-)

zWolf -out.

[Gonzo007]

Haeso, on 20 June 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

I haven't liked a single game pirahna has released before, and consider Duke Nukem Forever one of the worst games of our generation. I don't hate PGI, but I did hate DNF.

As i understand PGI worked mostly if not only on MP part of DNF, why they must be guilt for SP (which is the biggest part of DNF fail) ?

[Diomed]

Fanboys are so funny. Its amazing how their stupidity transcends not just games but genres. I love how one even brings up the biggest pile-o-dung MMO STO and uses it's money-grab policy to defend this possible money-grab.

The OP is correct. This is not a good sign. This does look like a cynical, money-only policy and we should pay attention and THINK rather than be lead by mass-stupidity to the slaughter.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[mastergenera1]

funny though this is the same kind of topic that popped up in WoT when it was still in beta,ppl were saying that its not fair the "wallet warriors" get an advantage and WG is just doing a moneygrab cause they r greedy,and comments of that nature.but it took the players about 8 months to simmer down and realize that the game is up and running due to the influx of cash given by said "wallet warriors".(fyi for those who play tanks,u can look up my profile,im among the ranks of the beloved "wallet warrior" group)
Edit:also more pew pew less QQ

Edited by mastergenera1, 20 June 2012 - 06:35 AM.

[Gonzo007]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I never remember paying more than 50 dollars for any other mech game, heck the boardgame box sets costed less, the most I spent was on minis which was optional. What do you all see that I dont?

so, you must be played with "pirated" minis and home printed books? Cos as i see core RB for BT cost 39,99, with few "must have" other books in range from 39.99 to 49.99, and starting set for 59.99
then MW4 starting price was more then 50$
ps. pretty much to just start playing tabletop BT you need more then 50$, even if you end up don't liking it after few runs.

[ranger233]

This is already the norm in the industry. But this might or might not be a so called "Money Grab". I look at it as an investment in PGI and is no worse than the stock market. These Dev's have put a lot of time and effort
into this thing and I believe that we as a community need to support them in this endeavor. Yes it is free to play
and we are welcome to do so, If I want or anyone else wants to spend their hard earned dollars on this investment I have no problem with it. Servers cost money ,utilitys cost money, so if we can help out In any little
way possible , We should. I feel that the Dev's have been upfront about every thing except the $120 tier
which took me by suprise, but if the community wanted it , so be it. Don' like it, don't buy it. That my follow mechwarrior is up to you. I want to see this thing fly as hard, high , and fast as it will go. I am just glad to be along for the ride.

[SideSt3p]

Then don't. Nobody cares.

[Kazumi]

Today was a lucky day..haha I bought a waterproof Ipod nano from waterfi for swimming training, only to have them run into shipping issues. Got my refund back, and what do I find...MWO Founder on sale..haha

Thing is, this is like the Rage BF3 went through. All the none buyers complaining about/to the buyers. Look folks. I planned to spend money anyways. I spent $120, I got $80 worth of currency (I'd have spent that much sooner or later) I got a few months of Premium account (would have had to buy it anyways) and I got 4 mechs. So let's see. If they work off a similar model WOT it'd cost around $10 a month for a prem account. So $120 - $80 - $30 = $10. I paid a roughly $10 dollars for FOUR mechs..I'm content.

So I got everything I would have bought down the road paid for upfront, I got 4 mechs for $10...I'm 100% happy.

[Aegic]

OP.

I guess you want Halo 4 to be free since there are so many good fans out there for it.

[Fear Radick]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Lets be honest here, I am a huge btech fan, I ordered IWMetals minis, played megamek, played the boardgame as a kid, begged for a computer to play mw2 and etc.

When I looked into the "mechwarrior 5" team, I found a company that had an extremely mediocre metacritic average, handling mostly generic ports, and mechwarrior 5 actually looked awful. Console aimed, UAVs, distorted looking classic mechs etc.

Reference:
http://www.metacriti...y/piranha-games

They want me to pay 120 dollars for "exclusive" content for a game under strict NDA that is advertised as F2P from an unremarkable company with a mediocre track run. Not only this but once the game is in any way playable, this option will be removed.

This sounds entirely like a money grab, "pay us money based on hype and IP name". Now I understand it's smart to do this, but money grabs like this lead me to believe this will become the norm, "Pay to win, pay for advantages etc". I'm gonna be skipping this game looks like and I just want to warn you all to take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the precedent set by this founders package. This is a "player vs player" game too. Now It's your money, and you can do with it what you want, but I think I just expect more from a developer I want to trust in the least. Loading up a "pay us 120 dollars now or lose out" seems to be milking the die hard fans, instead of making them happy.

Anyway I understand none of you will likely agree in any way with this, but I want some proof the game is in any way a good complete experience before they give a time limited "Jump in now or miss out" offer.

It seems like exploiting the longtime diehard fans enthuisasm rather than delivering anything worthwhile to them. This definitely is a huge negative for me. I never remember paying more than 50 dollars for any other mech game, heck the boardgame box sets costed less, the most I spent was on minis which was optional. What do you all see that I dont?

Somebody selling a product for an obvious profit a money grab? No kidding its a money grab, what isn't?

[mastergenera1]

Aegic, on 20 June 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

OP.

I guess you want Halo 4 to be free since there are so many good fans out there for it.

lol only when microsoft shuts down will that ever happen.

Edited by mastergenera1, 20 June 2012 - 06:43 AM.

[Nain]

It's the basis of capitalism. If you don't like something, say it by not buying it. Enough people seem to be saying they like it though

[FrostPaw]

Company wants to make money, news shocker.

[MiniChiken]

To OP,

This game is still a free2play model, if you think it doesn't take money to run servers and develop the game you will soon be enjoying, then you are sorely mistaken.

[Major Bill Curtis]

OP, here is your solution: for the next 6 months, give your paycheck to charity.

Your moralizing "money grab" otherwise has nothing to back it up. The actual economics at work here: we are depending on the largesse of others to get the game finished.

If no money, then no game: you understand this, yes?

Your "money grab" is a capital injection, so that PGI can continue to pay its staff. If this step fails, the game fails or is released in a completely flawed form (i.e. it fails). What this means is that your opinion here is not neutral or "philosophical." You are taking the position that, because you don't want to pay for it, the game should fail. This is not only foolish, but you have declared yourself the enemy of anyone who wants to see the game completed, whether they pay or not.

Well-played. Thank you for reminding us that the ability to type and the ability to think are separate things.