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[CALIBORS]

destroid* not battloid. I got type happy. would be nice to see LAMS in this though... XD

[Mechteric]

For us to have this game needs some people to pay, but by not making everyone pay helps attract more players (or as I call them, targets). This allows people who think $60 is a fair price to pay for a game get what they want out of it, but also lets those who think $20 is a fair price to play as well (and so on). I'm willing to give this thing a shot, and I paid what I pay for other games that I probably will play a lot less than this one (like Diablo III).

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 20 June 2012 - 05:38 AM.

[sgt coloncrunch]

Karyu, on 20 June 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

Sounds like someone mum wouldn't spare the $120.

No, instead he actually works for his money, like a valuable member of society, you little *******.

[DaffyGKH]

"I am offended that a game-making company, that is resurrecting a decade-untouched franchise, would -dare- to try to make some profit with their product. Even though said product pleases more than the vast majority of the community. Not only does their attempt at making profit offend me, but I am going to judge the company based on what some donkey critic says, rather than looking deeper into the specific product myself and judging what I see. To top all of my flawed logic off, I neglect to double-check and clarify my claims, such as the FPacks no longer being available once the game is 'in any way' playable, and MWO being pay-to-win, so that I look even more like a donkey on a highly populated forum."

All of my wat.

@ OP.

Edited by DaffyGKH, 20 June 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Elkarlo]

*getting out his Flamegun*
It's obiviously a player used to get flamed and flame. So he will have a Account duration of 2 Weeks, than he gets banned and make a new Account. And of Course he will Flame the Lamers which payed for the Founder package and have a Unique Foundermech for Money Making. And he will get banned again... and again and again.
*putting out the Flames*
Poeple who want to Support this Game may pay the Founder Package and may get a Reward. And thats important because the Founders will Pay the ServerBill for the first three Month !
In most F2P titles it comes out in the first three Month if there are enough Premium players to Pay the Serverbill. And of course the first Fiscal Quarter have to be payed enhance. And as we all know there is no publisher found for the Idea of another Mechwarrior game, so the Mechwarrior Game Fans have to pay for the first Month.
And we get some Goodie's for the paying the Bill for YOU, that YOU may play for nothing. (And have Multiply account's for flaming).

Otherwise the Game would have to been monthly Charged, as Server Bill increases by Players on it.

Edited by Elkarlo, 20 June 2012 - 05:48 AM.

[Rayah]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

http://www.metacriti...y/piranha-games

The only problem I have with your post is your "reference." I really do not care what some stupid critics tell me, they are not me, they do not share my opinions. I would rather form my own opinions about than have a bunch of idiots who think CoD is the best game ever tell me what to like.

[Bryan Ekman]

Hey Guys... I appreciate the OP perspective, and I appreciate all those players that have supported us so far! I think what's so amazing about the model we've chosen for MWO - you can play the game for free before making any buying decisions. I hope RoyalWave joins us when we go to open beta, I'm confident he'll find enjoyment the product.

Seeing as this thread an degenerate quickly into a pro/con thread, I ask everyone keeps it civil and respectful. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[Zezel]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Lets be honest here, I am a huge btech fan, I ordered IWMetals minis, played megamek, played the boardgame as a kid, begged for a computer to play mw2 and etc.

When I looked into the "mechwarrior 5" team, I found a company that had an extremely mediocre metacritic average, handling mostly generic ports, and mechwarrior 5 actually looked awful. Console aimed, UAVs, distorted looking classic mechs etc.

Reference:
http://www.metacriti...y/piranha-games

They want me to pay 120 dollars for "exclusive" content for a game under strict NDA that is advertised as F2P from an unremarkable company with a mediocre track run. Not only this but once the game is in any way playable, this option will be removed.

This sounds entirely like a money grab, "pay us money based on hype and IP name". Now I understand it's smart to do this, but money grabs like this lead me to believe this will become the norm, "Pay to win, pay for advantages etc". I'm gonna be skipping this game looks like and I just want to warn you all to take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the precedent set by this founders package. This is a "player vs player" game too. Now It's your money, and you can do with it what you want, but I think I just expect more from a developer I want to trust in the least. Loading up a "pay us 120 dollars now or lose out" seems to be milking the die hard fans, instead of making them happy.

Anyway I understand none of you will likely agree in any way with this, but I want some proof the game is in any way a good complete experience before they give a time limited "Jump in now or miss out" offer.

It seems like exploiting the longtime diehard fans enthuisasm rather than delivering anything worthwhile to them. This definitely is a huge negative for me. I never remember paying more than 50 dollars for any other mech game, heck the boardgame box sets costed less, the most I spent was on minis which was optional. What do you all see that I dont?

Not only that but the **** dribble amount of beta keys being released is striking. Yet without even getting a Beta key (registered day 1, created my account what 7-8 months ago) they expect me (players) to buy a controllers system (no thanks, have Saitek) and dish out up to $120 bucks for a F2P game that I can't even get a beta invite for.

I've never seen so little in my 30+ years of gaming. Sorry guys this is 2012 you are competing for gaming $$$ like never before, and you've showed me little, even though I've (we the players) have supported you to this point.

Like I said in another post it's nice to see you asking us for $120 for your "Friend and Families" to Beta test the game.

I'll take my gaming $$ elsewhere.

Edited by Zezel, 20 June 2012 - 05:53 AM.

[Rayah]

Elkarlo, on 20 June 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

*getting out his Flamegun*

I believe a Firestarter would be more efficient...

Edited by Rayzor, 20 June 2012 - 05:50 AM.

[DaffyGKH]

Zezel, on 20 June 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

Not only that but the **** dribble amount of beta keys being released is striking. Yet without even getting a Beta key (registered day 1, created my account what 7-8 months ago) they expect me (players) to buy a controllers system (no thanks, have Saitek) and dish out up to $120 bucks for a F2P game that I can't even get a beta invite for.

I've never seen so little in my 30+ years of gaming.

Pirahna does not -expect- anything of you. They simply hope that you enjoy their product. You are no more entitled to a beta key than I am, or anyone else on this forum.

[Shadow Avatar]

The only thing they have done that I didn't like was the addition of Legendary, But I also see why they did it. Though I think they overpowered that offer giving anyone with money an overwhelming advantage at this early stage in the game. I Just hope they didn't alienate us who cant spend that kinda money on this game.

[Gonzo007]

2OP, its not like someone force you to go and spend your money. Also they don't sell anything that

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"pay us 120 dollars now or lose out"

is a crap, all you get for giving (yeah its more like you award\donate them money, cos they making this Free to play game) money - more relaxed gameplay, not in terms of power - but only to spend a little less time with improoved exp\cb rates.

And yeah, Metacritic so awesome site, most of latest AAA games that was sold with millions and millions of copies got less then 50% on its score.

[Galen Shannow]

Look, lets be honest, of COURSE it's a money grab but these people are running a business and business' are designed to make money.
They are taking advantage of a huge demand for a decent mecha game. Now if the game turns out to be ***** well the spigot will get cutoff pretty quick and they'll be out of business. Boohoo, not the first time I've paid sixty bucks for a game that turned out to be crap. My 60 bucks does get me some stuff though. Premium play, a free mech etc.
Still I do see where the OP is coming from in a sense...I hope this is not just a funding tool cause Piranha is running out of money.
Oh and I hope this open beta is not going to be like World of Tanks where it goes forever. Btw if anyone thinks that this game is not directly based upon the success of World of Tanks you have to be kidding yourselves. This is just World of Mechs. I just hope they make the meta parts of the game a shitload better that WoT was/is.

Oh and yes, this is a bribe, I'd like my closed beta access please.

Edited by Galen Shannow, 20 June 2012 - 05:56 AM.

[Bryan Ekman]

blindprophet, on 20 June 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Has Piranha had the best track record with games? Not particularly. But I'm not sure how Mech 5 look terrible at all? especially considering what little we saw of it...and really there was very very very little.



Pay to win? No. They've stated multiple times that you will not be able to purchase anything better than what someone can already earn in game. Is it going to be pay for an advantage? Sure. But that advantage is in speed of leveling as well as convenience. Furthermore the precedent set by the founders package is exactly what I described...Mechs that anyone will be able to purchase (outside of the convenience buff of extra cbills). Premium account, something anyone will be able to purchase with money. Currency, which anyone will be able to purchase.... The only thing you can't really buy after this is over is the name in the credits.

Perhaps you haven't noticed that there are plenty of people who haven't bought the legendary pack for 120? A lot of us have, for various reasons. Some just for the mechs, some for the credits, some just to show support. Personally its a mix of all 3 for me.



Well there's a wealth of information they've put out so far about the game. You could peruse that for one. As for what I see that you don't?

That its optional? That you'll be able play even if you're not willing to fork out the cash now. That the only disadvantage you'll have over those who purchased these packs (assuming you purchase all the same things) is that you'll be earning slightly less cbills than they will with those founders mechs, and time spent in the game.

The other thing I see that you don't is that they've been very talkative with their fanbase. Something that bodes well for the game...



From a narrow view point that is correct. To me its more akin to seeking investors. They've given us a wealth of information about the game (have they given us everything? No) and have kept communication open with us. They've had fairly constant Q&A's. They had a huge Q&A thread yesterday just about the founders packs... The only thing they've hidden from us is the chance to play the game well before its finished state.

Should that be held against them? No.



Depending on how you look at their track record you are certainly correct. They have yet to make a game of this sale for such a powerful IP. Secondly this is only their second foray into the PC world. However you completely gloss over what they went through to get to this point for this game. You've glossed over the communication with the fans that they've done, something that very very very very few developers do, and even less to this scale.

You see exactly what you want to see. I see a company that worked hard to secure the license for a game they wanted to do. I see a company that fought hard to get the game they wanted to become a reality and lost initially. I see a company that believed in what they wanted to do to a point that they restructured in order to be able to accomplish that. I see a company that values its fans in that its willing to speak with them constantly to address both the concerns of those fans as well as to give us new information. I see a company that is creating a game that I want to play. I see a company that has stated its goals for the game, goals which I agree with both from an adherence to lore and mechanical standpoints. I see a company that decided to raise capital, and at the same time judge measurable support, for their game through what amounts to a pre-purchase program. I recognize the fact that I would have spent $120 on the game anyways.

But its ok that you don't see what I see. Its ok you don't share that view point. You're not going to be stopped from playing the game. You don't have to purchase the founders packs. Yes you will likely miss out on them, but the only things you won't be getting that we will are mechs that earn slightly more cbills, and, if you chose the legendary option, your name in the credits. Also keep in mind the $120 is not the only package you could purchase...

If you don't like what you see from their stated design goals, to mechanics previews, to gameplay vids....then don't purchase it. Wait, yes you'll miss out, for the game to go to open beta and try it out for yourself. Me? I've liked what I've seen and heard so I have purchased already. I've come out, and stated with my money, that from what I've heard I'm going to get at least $120 worth of value out of this game.

Your guys rock. Posts like this make our day.

[Gucky]

Sorry but anyone who is complaining like you about a F2P game should seriously think about what is going on. Nobody forces a player to buy anything. The players with premium accounts won't get any kind of advantage on the battlefield and still skill decides who will win out there...

You are the kind of guy who would complain about not enough maps on a F2P game as well I guess. Sounds quite ungrateful in my book.

[neodym]

the f2p is nice idea,people can play for free


now I am not dissin PG,but lets say you spend 120 for legendary founder,90 for premium for whole year ( becose you get 3 premium from
legendary ) + god known how much for all the extra stuff,you get to number thats pretty high for game,I believe f2p can make more money
than standart titles

being able to play for free without having all the stuff isnt bad but paying 40-50 once like standart title and being done is maybe better

where I live for 120 you can have Battlefield 3 + Karkand DLC + nice food for month


also this shouldnt be pay 2 win game,but only advantage of Hunchback over Atlas is that its cheaper to run,now people that grind
25% more can run atlas much more than other,so they win in that battle so its.... I love PG but this is how it is,dont hate me lol

Edited by neodym, 20 June 2012 - 06:04 AM.

[Haeso]

I've donated to several kickstarters and preordered several games, as well as invested in one of the developers I worked for, I fully understand the desire to support something even without playing it first, but as much as I love battletech and mechwarrior.

I haven't liked a single game pirahna has released before, and consider Duke Nukem Forever one of the worst games of our generation. I don't hate PGI, but I did hate DNF.

I'm reserving judgement before I throw money at pirahna. I want the game to be amazing, I want to love it - it's Mechwarrior one of my favorite IPs of all time, I grew up playing it - one of my first games was the original Mechwarrior and I played the tabletop with my dad. But I also quite liked duke nukem and felt like the wool got pulled over my eyes on that one. So here's hoping it's amazing, but I understand what the OP and others are saying with being wary. I'm in the wait and see camp too, I've got money and I will spend it if I like the game, but given their track record and as a developer myself I hate to say it, I can't spend money in good faith here even if it is MechWarrior, I do hope people can be civil about this, as it's a very reasonable position to take.

Edit: I do have to agree with one thing though, despite their track record being limited and spotty - PGI's passion for the IP itself and communication with the playerbase has been excellent, and that's a big part of why I still think this'll be a great game even if I'm not confident enough to give them money yet. In about a month and a half I look forward to telling PGI to shut up and take my money as it were, here's hoping.

Edited by Haeso, 20 June 2012 - 06:06 AM.

[mastergenera1]

ScientificMethod, on 20 June 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

To be blunt, no. But that's w/e in my eyes, the dev's saw the support for their title yesterday and I'm sure they feel secure in their ability to fund any new content.

no the founders get early access into closed beta 2(the beta phase that will be starting soon now that they r moving to launch hardware)it just we get guaranteed early access by aug 7th so far.

[Dataman]

oh dear...

TheSkeletor, on 20 June 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

Oo. Im new here and just saw this as frist thread.
I read most of the awnsers and i must say. it looks like this forum is garbage.
But at least they mark the bad posters with this big icons.

skeletor, I google this just for you.


listen, you little whiner. I myself see people buying $120 stuff not for the advantages (well, maybe) but to support the game and sincerely thank PGI for making MWO

ps: I'm saving money for $60 elite pack.

pss: if you look the other model business like this, $ the120 package won't give you that much advantages on the battlefield.

same chassis mech, same tonnage, just xp and bill booster.

Edited by Dataman, 20 June 2012 - 06:16 AM.

[Ebynfel]

Bryan Ekman, on 20 June 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Hey Guys... I appreciate the OP perspective, and I appreciate all those players that have supported us so far! I think what's so amazing about the model we've chosen for MWO - you can play the game for free before making any buying decisions. I hope RoyalWave joins us when we go to open beta, I'm confident he'll find enjoyment the product.

Seeing as this thread an degenerate quickly into a pro/con thread, I ask everyone keeps it civil and respectful. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Bryan Ekman, on 20 June 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Your guys rock. Posts like this make our day.

No Bryan, posts like this make our day. I too can see where the OP is coming from, I can understand it. But, call me a fanboi or whatnot ever you will, thank you Bryan, and the rest of the MWO team(yes, even Paul), not for letting me get this Legendary pack I didn't know I was going to get, but for making this game a reality for a community which has been awaiting something, ANYTHING for at least a decade.