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[JabberJon]

Proteaus, on 20 June 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Let me put it this way . Ummmm i want you to pay now for something I will have for you in a couple months.Then I would lmao
all the way to the bank.This situation just dosent seem right.

You would lmao all the way to the bank... to get money out for them? I couldn't resist.

And BigMo, while a lot of WoT is dicerolling, I'm always surprised to see this come up. Not only are there a TON of ways to increase your chances, but every tank has multiple weak spots. That's why there are guns with low pen and high damage. One shell in the right spot, GG. Also the weapons are going to be kind of unpredictable, it is WW2. I think BattleTech is a little more advanced than that, and random failures, gun rammers that kill your loaders, etc are pretty much a thing of the past. I can't see it being nearly as random as WoT. Then again, most of the people that I've seen complain don't realize that angle, area and ammo all affect your shot.

[GHQCommander]

I was going to spend $120, then I read more posts asking to actually see what they are going to get for it. Even a single player game gets a small demo for half the price.

So I'm joining that argument.

Give it a couple of months and there will be players in this forum complaining about how they wish they never spent $120. There always is in every game, every kind of argument and complaint. So many users in this forum have spent the $120, they behave as if its nothing, but just wait and see. Some of them will have some complaint to make one day and their tune will change about their payment. Granted not all and most will be happy, like I probably will be.

I too think I will love the game, but it is not the point. My own customers for my own software get a refund if they are not happy and they pay about $140. They also get endless videos, tutorials, endless page of documentation, they get to speak to myself directly, they get access to beta, trials etc

I won't get a refund for my $120 on this if it launches, no rights. Only with software can they get away with that, despite this being a service that can be stopped from their end. Many developers ethics are poor especially in MMO game development. So I realised I don't want to encourage this behaviour in software development when the software is provided via a controlled web service, not a stand alone product for Windows. They are hiding behind the old software no return excuse, desptie it not applying in the slightest because this is a service.

They could issue even 1 hour of beta access and I want that first. That is my change of position since a couple of days ago.

When I have no trial for my software, customers don't want to pay $20 never mind $120. Let me see the game please, thanks.

[Proteaus]

I am expecting them to announce some type of premium ammo in the future.Then it be just like wot . pay to win

[Vraxx]

OP is entitled to their view to be sure. I bought the Legendary pack not because of any advantage but because I viewed it much like a Kickstarter request. If you go back on the history of how this game was supposed to be a multi-platform project but legal matters got in the way I can understand them wanting to gather some initial revenue to help continue funding development and back end infrastructure. Who knows how much investment funding they received or how tight the margins are.

The reality is any F2P title is a risky venture, from the development time, the marketing budget, investing in sufficient server resources to execute it. In the end will my money have gone into a sink hole should MWO stall out? Maybe, but I will hopefully enjoy some time stomping around in a mech and reliving some of the good old days. My $0.02

[William Nilliam]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Lets be honest here, I am a huge btech fan, I ordered IWMetals minis, played megamek, played the boardgame as a kid, begged for a computer to play mw2 and etc.

When I looked into the "mechwarrior 5" team, I found a company that had an extremely mediocre metacritic average, handling mostly generic ports, and mechwarrior 5 actually looked awful. Console aimed, UAVs, distorted looking classic mechs etc.

Reference:
http://www.metacriti...y/piranha-games

They want me to pay 120 dollars for "exclusive" content for a game under strict NDA that is advertised as F2P from an unremarkable company with a mediocre track run. Not only this but once the game is in any way playable, this option will be removed.

This sounds entirely like a money grab, "pay us money based on hype and IP name". Now I understand it's smart to do this, but money grabs like this lead me to believe this will become the norm, "Pay to win, pay for advantages etc". I'm gonna be skipping this game looks like and I just want to warn you all to take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the precedent set by this founders package. This is a "player vs player" game too. Now It's your money, and you can do with it what you want, but I think I just expect more from a developer I want to trust in the least. Loading up a "pay us 120 dollars now or lose out" seems to be milking the die hard fans, instead of making them happy.

Anyway I understand none of you will likely agree in any way with this, but I want some proof the game is in any way a good complete experience before they give a time limited "Jump in now or miss out" offer.

It seems like exploiting the longtime diehard fans enthuisasm rather than delivering anything worthwhile to them. This definitely is a huge negative for me. I never remember paying more than 50 dollars for any other mech game, heck the boardgame box sets costed less, the most I spent was on minis which was optional. What do you all see that I dont?

I am with the majority on this one, I have waited and pined for a Mechwarrior/Battletech game to catch up with the tech advances. I am more than willing to donate my money for this endeavor, even without the booty that comes along with it.

It wouldnt get made if not for rabid fans and devoted developers, it wouldnt be that good if it wasnt funded in some manner...

What I WOULD like to see, is a list of how successsful the founders program is, like how many of each tier have been sold and updated wuite frequently.

Edited by Tagesabo, 20 June 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Nekomimi]

If they wanted to "Milk" the fans like you say, then they would have put a Madcat in the 120$ version.

Besides ALLOT of people asked to be able to purchase all of the mechs, even said they would buy the Elite 4 times if they could.

Edited by Nekomimi, 20 June 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[The Vogfather]

BigMo5, on 20 June 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

OMG, I couldn't have said it better. They have a different game model, maybee, but I am betting you will see the same mechs using the SAME equipment.

If you LOVE World of Tanks by all means buy the pack and have a great time. If you haven't spent any money on WoT then do the same here. The Business model looks the same and unless something happens in the next few weeks this game will be World of Tanks with mechs...

And to guess,

when you fire missles its going to be a DICE roll
when you fire AutoCannons its going to be a DICE Roll


The only thing you that will be more skill then luck will be direct fire instant hit weapons, and they will do a fraction of the damage to any one location.

How can anyone justify spending money on something with such little actual game play and all hype?

using models form other games is not a new thing. especially if its a working one. i've never played world of tanks but your forgetting something.. this isn't a mmo. more of a fps then anything else..

as far as the roll system it will require both luck and skill. i think the chance of something missing makes it more interesting. i would hate it if all shots hit even more so if it was the enemy and i was a scout.

as for justifying it.. as its been said its boils down to personal preference. its how we want to invest our money..

[Tano]

Proteaus, on 20 June 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

I am expecting them to announce some type of premium ammo in the future.Then it be just like wot . pay to win

This will really annoy me, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Roughneck45]

Tano, on 20 June 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

This will really annoy me, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I dont think they will. One of the pillars of design they are going for is to NOT make it "pay to win", and this would clearly violate that pillar. If they do that, they will lose a lot of support and playerbase imo.

[CoffiNail]

Proteaus, on 20 June 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

I am expecting them to announce some type of premium ammo in the future.Then it be just like wot . pay to win

You will not see this. They have stated for months, that they will have no pay 2 win. Their whole goal is to have it set where you can buy convience, and have a mechbay filled with a company of mechs bought with your hard earned cash, but it will in no way give you the ability to win with them, you just have them and do not need to grind. You still need to play the game, improve your abilities to play the game, if you suck and have a lot of money, well you get to suck and have a lot of mechs.

[Riin Suul]

how the heck is the founders pack a "money grab"?
when you buy a car from the dealership, and they ask for money down, is that a "money grab"
PGI is a BUSINESS, and that means that at the end of the quarter, they need to have made money on this game.
having money rolling in allows them to make new content for the game, so if you want this game to be great, consider contributing money rather than just coasting and f2ping it forever

and... when you did a prepurchase for BF3, did you get to play the game first?
when you did a prepurchase of skyrim, did you get to play the game first?

allowing people to do prepurchases without playing the game is NOTHING NEW.

a LOT of games have "special" prepurchase deals that give you extra items/perks.

[Prophet of Entropy]

also, there is a major difference between this and WoT, there is no "penetration" mechanic, every weapon will do damage to every mech it hits. this isnt true in WoT.

I'd be very suprised if they added "gold" ammo. since the devs have said over and over they want to stay away from pay to win.

what mech credits will buy and how is still being changed.

But offering to let people spend on money stuff that wont make them any more combat effective then anyone else is hardly outrageous. You rarely get to try a product before you buy it, and you dont even buy this. personaly i think the OP is mad that someone else isnt doing things they they think they should, which I find to be massively stupid.

Edited by Prohet of Entropy, 20 June 2012 - 10:21 AM.

[GHQCommander]

Proteaus, on 20 June 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

I am expecting them to announce some type of premium ammo in the future.Then it be just like wot . pay to win

They sure will. The Battlemech fans are having a laugh if they think that somehow a few thousand players spending $120 will encourage them to offer a different experience from how every F2P game goes down.

What I see on this forum is players thinking that what is said by devs today is set in stone. It makes me laugh and I've warned people plenty. As a developer myself and years of playing games. I've never been wrong on the fact that 2-3 years down the line all games must change. It is the point where the fan base are getting bored and have spent plenty money on the game. They have everything they need or want.

In otherwords they get the fans money. Then change a game to suit the general free to play player base and continue profitting from boxes, premium ammo etc

I'm in no doubt about this and may still pay $120. I feel sorry for the hundreds of players that have no idea what experience they are about to get for a couple of years.

Actually no I don't feel sorry for them. There fault for being so naive right?

[xxReloads]

i say if u are willing to play the game and love it then why not but if u arent a diehard fan then thats up to you if u wanna spend money or not. im going to and im going to love the game

[a rabid chihuahua]

Theres nothing wrong with what there doing ,unless they take our money and shut down shop and run. right Garth? ..Garth? Paul? ..hello guys you there ? whered everyone go? why are all the lights out ?

[Stormlight666]

Valron, on 20 June 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

You seem to think we have been taken for a ride, but i bought the elite pack for the value of it, and the fact that i love mechwarrior.

For the $60 i spent on the elite pack i got:

$80 of in game currency
$30 for two month premium subscription(based on a guess of $14.99 a month
1 Exclusive mech with C-bill boost(Unknown value at this point)
Early access(More valuable to some than others.

So just looking at the sheer monetary aspect I spent $60 and received $110 worth of product/services, I call that coming out ahead.

That is not even mentioning supporting the rebirth of a beloved franchise that i thought was long dead, and looks to be making a magnificent come back

AND, as everyone forgets to mention, the FOUNDERS MECHS count as bonus spots in your mechlab. You can still buy 4 more mechs. So those people with legendary are actually getting 4 free mech slots in their lab too. The rest of us just get our 1 for Elite. Sniff.

[JabberJon]

GHQCommander, on 20 June 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

They sure will. The Battlemech fans are having a laugh if they think that somehow a few thousand players spending $120 will encourage them to offer a different experience from how every F2P game goes down.

What I see on this forum is players thinking that what is said by devs today is set in stone. It makes me laugh and I've warned people plenty. As a developer myself and years of playing games. I've never been wrong on the fact that 2-3 years down the line all games must change. It is the point where the fan base are getting bored and have spent plenty money on the game. They have everything they need or want.

In otherwords they get the fans money. Then change a game to suit the general free to play player base and continue profitting from boxes, premium ammo etc

I'm in no doubt about this and may still pay $120. I feel sorry for the hundreds of players that have no idea what experience they are about to get for a couple of years.

Actually no I don't feel sorry for them. There fault for being so naive right?

This really interests me. My brother only plays f2p games and I can tell you from watching him over the years and years, the vast majority of F2P games aren't pay 2 win. The fact that you say all F2P games have some sort of premium ammo or pay 2 win makes me sad, because it's definitely not true.

@Blane: XD That made my spit out my drink! That could never happen..right? Right?
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[Saumerez]

This business model has been used before.

It works.

World of Tanks uses it and that game is awesome (not perfect but awesome).

I ponied up the 120 bucks and if it turns out badly, my life will go on. If it turns out well, then 120 bucks is less than a year's subscription to old-school MMOs. Well, spent.

I am ok with it.

[Kenaris]

GHQCommander, on 20 June 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

I was going to spend $120, then I read more posts asking to actually see what they are going to get for it. Even a single player game gets a small demo for half the price.

So I'm joining that argument.

Give it a couple of months and there will be players in this forum complaining about how they wish they never spent $120. There always is in every game, every kind of argument and complaint. So many users in this forum have spent the $120, they behave as if its nothing, but just wait and see. Some of them will have some complaint to make one day and their tune will change about their payment. Granted not all and most will be happy, like I probably will be.

I Agree with this 100% it happens in every game i have been a part of.

Then the people that spent $120.00 will
start screaming how they didn't get there monies worth and will cry and demand they deserve something more then what they got when they knew what they where buying in the first place.

[Tano]

Kenaris, on 20 June 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

I Agree with this 100% it happens in every game i have been a part of.

Then the people that spent $120.00 will
start screaming how they didn't get there monies worth and will cry and demand they deserve something more then what they got when they knew what they where buying in the first place.

If the people who knew what they were buying do as you say and "cry" about how they didn't get enough, then it will be more useless threads. Just because a bunch of players cry they got shafted, doesn't mean everyone will.

Some people who got the Founders pack will wish they hadn't, and some people who didn't, will have wished they did.