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[Deathlike]

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

How about you? How has your gaming been affected by the launch module?

Very little. A few drops here and there with the private matches, but pretty much the usual fare of actually playing the game with everyone else in the main queue.

Edited by Deathlike, 13 May 2014 - 01:31 PM.

[Bilbo]

Deathlike, on 13 May 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Very little. A few drops here and there with the private matches, but pretty much the usual fare of actually playing the game with everyone else in the main queue.

If it makes you feel any better, I generally agree with Heffay's sentiments and I've got 1000 games in the main queue since the reset.

[Revis Volek]

I use Private matches at least 2 times a week for practice with my group....but what does that have to do with anything? I also think this toruney is great community building thing. Would you rather they did nothing at all? Damned if they do and damned if they dont is the vibe i am getting.

[Deathlike]

Bilbo, on 13 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

If it makes you feel any better, I generally agree with Heffay's sentiments and I've got 1000 games in the main queue since the reset.

It doesn't.

I've already collected 1000 games (not that anyone cares), and it's hard to believe the hype if you're not playing the game (you don't have to be an addict or have to set aside all your free time for the game, but it's kinda disingenuous based on those numbers).

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

131.

DarthRevis, on 13 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

I use Private matches at least 2 times a week for practice with my group....but what does that have to do with anything? I also think this toruney is great community building thing. Would you rather they did nothing at all? Damned if they do and damned if they dont is the vibe i am getting.

Had some of this been available since Open Beta, people wouldn't be like "meh" to this tourney.

Edited by Deathlike, 13 May 2014 - 01:44 PM.

[Heffay]

Deathlike, on 13 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

I've already collected 1000 games (not that anyone cares), and it's hard to believe the hype if you're not playing the game (you don't have to be an addict or have to set aside all your free time for the game, but it's kinda disingenuous based on those numbers).

So what is the magical number of non private matches you have to have to ... you know what? I don't even know what your point is. 131 public queue matches means I'm not invested *enough* into this game? You are only measuring it based on public matches and not any other metrics? Doesn't that seem rather arbitrary to you?

And if I am invested enough, I get to say that the tournament is both good for the community and the competitive sector? If so, I have to ask once again, where is this magical inflection point where all of a sudden I have enough public matches (and ignoring EVERY other metric) to give my opinion on this topic?

Edited by Heffay, 13 May 2014 - 01:52 PM.

[Kwea]

So Faith, feel free to not watch, not play, not care, and not be a part of the community that DOES like these events.


I've had to sit and watch entire teams of people grind 100-200 (if not more) PUG matches for EVERY other PGI event up to now. Events that actually DiSCOURAGE team play and REWARD killstealing and boxing out your teammates.

Hell, until the launch module showed up, I can't think of a single thing that was done by PGI to ENCOURAGE teams to play. Most of that stuff was done by the community, and at times it even felt like PGI was working against team play in order to cater to the single player pugs.

I am not saying these types of events can replace CW, not even close. But they are a fun way of passing the time and learning tactics while we wait....and it looks like a substancial cross-section of the player base agrees with me.

Edited by Kwea, 13 May 2014 - 01:52 PM.

[Deathlike]

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

So what is the magical number of non private matches you have to have to ... you know what? I don't even know what your point is. 131 public queue matches means I'm not invested *enough* into this game? You are only measuring it based on public matches and not any other metrics? Doesn't that seem rather arbitrary to you?

You make plenty of arbitrary points for various things, including 3PV, 12-mans, and host of other things. If one were to translate your playtime to what you claim is "reinvigorating" the community, then very little has changed. It's kinda like a PGI policy where you don't get to say as much if you're not playing, which is dandy and all. How am I to take you seriously like the people that refuse to play anymore and complain here IF you're not actually playing the game?

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And if I am invested enough, I get to say that the tournament is both good for the community and the competitive sector? If so, I have to ask once again, where is this magical inflection point where all of a sudden I have enough public matches (and ignoring EVERY other metric) to give my opinion on this topic?

If I knew who the teams were that got in, it would be easy to figure out the winners (more or less).

My point was that you haven't really played enough as of late to determine the feeling of the community. You can't really just blanket saying that the community is "healthy" for this, because if this were done back in open beta, there would probably be at least DOUBLE of those that have signed up for this event. There would have been many more groups playing this, regardless of the balance/status of the game, and given it more praise. At this point in time, we're essentially doing a beta tourney for a game that's not in beta anymore. If you want people to garner more excitement, some of these things should have been available long before this point in time.

[Heffay]

Deathlike, on 13 May 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

You make plenty of arbitrary points for various things, including 3PV, 12-mans, and host of other things. If one were to translate your playtime to what you claim is "reinvigorating" the community, then very little has changed. It's kinda like a PGI policy where you don't get to say as much if you're not playing, which is dandy and all. How am I to take you seriously like the people that refuse to play anymore and complain here IF you're not actually playing the game?




If I knew who the teams were that got in, it would be easy to figure out the winners (more or less).

My point was that you haven't really played enough as of late to determine the feeling of the community. You can't really just blanket saying that the community is "healthy" for this, because if this were done back in open beta, there would probably be at least DOUBLE of those that have signed up for this event. There would have been many more groups playing this, regardless of the balance/status of the game, and given it more praise. At this point in time, we're essentially doing a beta tourney for a game that's not in beta anymore. If you want people to garner more excitement, some of these things should have been available long before this point in time.

I don't even know where to start... OK, let's start at the end.

Every game that releases a new feature has a *beta* period where they test out new features. Every WoW expansion, for example. So why you bother to point out that it's a beta feature of a released product is just disingenuous at best. And you know it.

And since I'm an active participant both in game and on multiple forums, I have a pretty good idea how this portion of the community feels about the launch module: If you weren't an arbitrary hater of everything PGI does, it's been a huge boon to both the competitive community and the casual one. The ability to hold small private matches has been loved by all.

This tournament is one more thing that PGI is delivering for content. They are hitting release dates, delivering on promises, and creating new content. Participation is up, as is enthusiasm. Your distaste for PGI is preventing you from acknowledging the positive steps they've made, and your resistance to this tournament is just another sign that it doesn't matter what PGI does; you're against it. Cure cancer? Peace in the middle east? DOESN'T COUNT; PGI LIED!!!

So keep believing that this tournament doesn't mean anything. Your island (unlike the player base) is getting smaller and smaller.

Edited by Heffay, 13 May 2014 - 02:11 PM.

[Revis Volek]

You my friend seem like the one that is out of touch with the community....i had not heard one bad thing about this event until i opened this thread and read the comments....mainly yours Faith. No one will miss you if you dont watch, play, participate. But i still have no idea what your point is? PGI sucks? I mean is that what all this long winded bashing is leading to? Could have said it in much fewer words and saved yourself and us some time. But in all seriousness, Crying about it here does nothing to make your point seem more favorable. Lets use some constructive critisims aimed in the right places rather then trying to demerit someone based on recent play time or whatever you think constitutes a valid opionon.

[Deathlike]

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

And since I'm an active participant both in game and on multiple forums, I have a pretty good idea how this portion of the community feels about the launch module:

Yes, welcome ForumWarrior. I am ForumWarrior too.

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If you weren't an arbitrary hater of everything PGI does, it's been a huge boon to both the competitive community and the casual one.

Yes, so saying nice things on the mech giveaway days is promptly ignored? I guess selective memories work.

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The ability to hold small private matches has been loved by all.

I see you speak for everyone. Good to know.

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This tournament is one more thing that PGI is delivering for content. They are hitting release dates, delivering on promises, and creating new content. Participation is up, as is enthusiasm. Your distaste for PGI is preventing you from acknowledging the positive steps they've made, and your resistance to this tournament is just another sign that it doesn't matter what PGI does; you're against it. Cure cancer? Peace in the middle east? DOESN'T COUNT; PGI LIED!!!

So, where's 3/3/3/3? I didn't like the promise of 3/3/3/3, and was waiting for it to show up anyways. I guess the 3rd patch is the charm? Please, keep moving the goalposts.

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So keep believing that this tournament doesn't mean anything. Your island (unlike the player base) is getting smaller and smaller.

It has less of the original meaning, and that's my point. As I said, had this stuff been done earlier, there would be a LOT more praise that would've been given. Right now, it's really a fraction of what things could've been had it been delivered way before multiple threads of private matches were demanded from the playerbase for many many months. It's nice that they've delivered something that they've monetized, but it doesn't buy that much extra time for everything else that SHOULD be in the pipeline like CW.

[Faith McCarron]

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Just because it means nothing to you doesn't mean others feel the same way.

This life lesson has been provided for free. It will come in handy in the future, so write it down, tuck it in your pocket, and refer to it as necessary!

And wow, snarky comment is snarky. Of course others are going to feel the same way. Isn't that kind of the point of this whole big discussion board forum thingie in the first place? Not sure what you're getting at there Heffay

Kwea, on 13 May 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

So Faith, feel free to not watch, not play, not care, and not be a part of the community that DOES like these events.


I've had to sit and watch entire teams of people grind 100-200 (if not more) PUG matches for EVERY other PGI event up to now. Events that actually DiSCOURAGE team play and REWARD killstealing and boxing out your teammates.

Hell, until the launch module showed up, I can't think of a single thing that was done by PGI to ENCOURAGE teams to play. Most of that stuff was done by the community, and at times it even felt like PGI was working against team play in order to cater to the single player pugs.

I am not saying these types of events can replace CW, not even close. But they are a fun way of passing the time and learning tactics while we wait....and it looks like a substancial cross-section of the player base agrees with me.

Hmm, that's interesting. Anecdotal forum post evidence is anecdotal. Let's talk about our own opinions instead of the equivalent of "neener neener, I got more people to agree with me!"

[Faith McCarron]

DarthRevis, on 13 May 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

You my friend seem like the one that is out of touch with the community....i had not heard one bad thing about this event until i opened this thread and read the comments....mainly yours Faith. No one will miss you if you dont watch, play, participate. But i still have no idea what your point is? PGI sucks? I mean is that what all this long winded bashing is leading to? Could have said it in much fewer words and saved yourself and us some time. But in all seriousness, Crying about it here does nothing to make your point seem more favorable. Lets use some constructive critisims aimed in the right places rather then trying to demerit someone based on recent play time or whatever you think constitutes a valid opionon.

First of all, how about you keep your forum posters straight and don't mix my points in with others opinions.

And you hadn't heard one bad thing about the event? Really? Heck, go listen to the recent NGNG podcast where they talk about it, it features Phil commenting on the 32-team limit.

Now, what's my point? Well, obviously you want to be all snarky instead of actually reading my posts where I've stated several times what my point is, but I'm a nice kind of person, that's just how I roll, so I will summarize it for you again: This tournament is what it is, an eSports event. Love it for that, and don't try to tout it as more than it is. Temper your expectations so that you don't expect things from it that it never truly was meant to produce. I hope that helps you to understand the point I was trying to make, and that you now know the difference between the point I was trying to make and the point you assumed I was trying to make.

[Heffay]

And once again, this tournament is BOTH for the competitive crowd AND for the general population to enjoy. Just like people who enjoy watching professional sports, yet couldn't hit a curveball to save their life.

One event can cater to a whole bunch of different groups. It is not an either or situation, no matter how much you plug your ears, close your eyes and stomp your feet.

[Heffay]

Deathlike, on 13 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

It has less of the original meaning, and that's my point. As I said, had this stuff been done earlier, there would be a LOT more praise that would've been given. Right now, it's really a fraction of what things could've been had it been delivered way before multiple threads of private matches were demanded from the playerbase for many many months. It's nice that they've delivered something that they've monetized, but it doesn't buy that much extra time for everything else that SHOULD be in the pipeline like CW.

So, in other words you think the tournament is a fantastic idea and are really happy PGI is running it, and can't wait for more events like it in the future!!*, right?





*pgi still sucks, yadda yadda, I are angry

[Faith McCarron]

Heffay, on 13 May 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

And once again, this tournament is BOTH for the competitive crowd AND for the general population to enjoy. Just like people who enjoy watching professional sports, yet couldn't hit a curveball to save their life.

Problem is that's a bad analogy. When I sit down to watch a baseball/football/hockey game, I'm not, nor have I ever been a member of Major League Baseball, the National Football League, or the National Hockey League. MWO is different. Here we are all playing the same game, here we are one community. On no level of the game am I in the same community or playing the same game as a professional athlete.

Edit: actually, I kinda take that back. Not the point, but the fact that on that subpoint, I'm simply arguing to correct what I see as an error, which is just my OCD, and a total aside from my main point.

Just a little more fuel on the fire, the seeding has been released: http://mwomercs.com/..._01/?fullscreen

Lords and SwK play right off the bat. lol Queue the QQ

Edited by Faith McCarron, 13 May 2014 - 03:13 PM.

[Stealth Raptor]

i am sad to see my group didnt make it we were so pumped and had a brilliant plan for the first match. hopefully we will get picked for the next tourney

[3rdworld]

2 of the 4 top teams in NA, eliminated in the first round. I knew PGI would troll us this tournament.

[SkkyHigh]

BULLSHIT!

[Adiuvo]

3rdworld, on 13 May 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

2 of the 4 top teams in NA, eliminated in the first round. I knew PGI would troll us this tournament.

There are 4 major brackets we could all have easily been placed into as well.

I get why they did it this way but I still don't like it.

[3rdworld]

Adiuvo, on 13 May 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

There are 4 major brackets we could all have easily been placed into as well.

I get why they did it this way but I still don't like it.

Teams that have no experience in 12 mans are getting free passes to the quarterfinals. And the best teams in NA eliminate themselves right at the start.

I mean, we would have to play you, SJR, or bsk likely at some point, but it certainly means more to play in the quarters/finals than in round 1.

Edited by 3rdworld, 13 May 2014 - 03:46 PM.