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[aniviron]

I'm not crazy about how blocky the torso is or how chunky the arms are, and I do feel like the hexagonal shape for the PPC arm should be a lot more pronounced. Still, I like it overall. The legs are absolutely perfect. And the more I look at it, the more it looks like the art from the original diagram:



That right arm bugs me still though.

[Archon]

It looks fantastic! Very sexy.

Here's a question I've always had about the Thor, are those boxy things missile launchers on the legs, or something else?

[Rubidiy]

LOL, you get what you deserve, guys. After tons of moaning about how Timberwolf is "not the same", you get these stupid 80-es goofy designs being repeated litteraly. Ammount of geometry is fascinating.

Edited by Rubidiy, 08 May 2014 - 12:50 PM.

[Odanan]

I didn't buy the Summoner because of this:

Hardpoints:
LA: 1B
LT: 1M
RA: 1E

Are you serious, PGI? If at least you said "Minimum Hardpoints"...

[mithril coyote]

Archon, on 08 May 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

It looks fantastic! Very sexy.

Here's a question I've always had about the Thor, are those boxy things missile launchers on the legs, or something else?

just decorative basically. they aren't missiles or anything by the record sheets, so we don't know what they were supposed to be.

[CoffiNail]

mithril coyote, on 08 May 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

just decorative basically. they aren't missiles or anything by the record sheets, so we don't know what they were supposed to be.

TRO art was drawn before the write up. Apparently the TRO art reflects the 'MK1' designs. This had the Summoner with a SRM 6 in the CT and they got distributed on the thighs.

This is also why the Mad Dog and Timber Wolf both have LRM boxes of 15, not 20.

[Odanan]

vortmax, on 08 May 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Here's the variants:

A: Gauss (LA), SRM6 (LT), LPL (RA)
B: LRM20 + SRM4 (LA), NARC + AMS (LT), LRM20 + SRM4 (LA)
C: UAC-20 (LA), Streak-6 (LT), ERLL + ERSL (RA)
D: ERLL+ERML (LA), MG+AMS (LT), MG+AMS + Targeting computer (RT), ERLL+ERML (RA)

I see they aren't going to release the D variant because it's very good and we can't have fun!

[Xeno Phalcon]

Odanan, on 08 May 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

I didn't buy the Summoner because of this:

Hardpoints:
LA: 1B
LT: 1M
RA: 1E

Are you serious, PGI? If at least you said "Minimum Hardpoints"...

Fun Fact: The 350XL on a 70 ton mech in MWO's speed chart would give the Summoner 88kph (After speed tweak) and the Alt C configuration packs a UAC20. While it dosnt have many hardpoints, trying to avoid a 88kph jumping jagerbomb is still fairly scary.

EDIT: Speed values were wrong, why didnt any of you scrubs point this out to me?!?!

Edited by Xeno Phalcon, 08 May 2014 - 05:53 PM.

[Odanan]

Mike Getsome, on 08 May 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Looks decent, Aidan Pryde is proud, although Aidan is not proud of how Timber Wolf turned out.

Please rework the Timber Wolf design. If other clan mechs have different smooth look, Timber Wolf looks like it was made on a junkyard from old parts of Inner Sphere mechs.

This!^
(because it's true)

[mithril coyote]

CoffiNail, on 08 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

TRO art was drawn before the write up. Apparently the TRO art reflects the 'MK1' designs. This had the Summoner with a SRM 6 in the CT and they got distributed on the thighs.

This is also why the Mad Dog and Timber Wolf both have LRM boxes of 15, not 20.

there were no "Mk1 designs'.. the people who worked at FASA have confirmed that. the artwork and design teams just were not working together so you wound up with stats and art that didn't match exactly.

there have been a lot of fan designs where people assumed the art was supposed to be for some previous "pre-nerf' clan mechs and tried to design what they though those would be, but those are all total fan creations, not based on anything of FASA's.

Edited by mithril coyote, 08 May 2014 - 01:12 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

I always figured those boxy things were the A-pods, personally....

[BARBAR0SSA]

Xeno Phalcon, on 08 May 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Fun Fact: The 350XL on a 70 ton mech in MWO's speed chart would give the Summoner 96kph (After speed tweak, 87kph before) and the Alt C configuration packs a UAC20. While it dosnt have many hardpoints, trying to avoid a 96kph jumping jagerbomb is still some scary spit.

With about 14 shots and DOT damage. Or you could drop the other weapons and go more ammo.

[Odanan]

mithril coyote, on 08 May 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

just decorative basically. they aren't missiles or anything by the record sheets, so we don't know what they were supposed to be.

They are something in the Hellbringer, which uses the same legs as the Summoner.

Xeno Phalcon, on 08 May 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Fun Fact: The 350XL on a 70 ton mech in MWO's speed chart would give the Summoner 96kph (After speed tweak, 87kph before) and the Alt C configuration packs a UAC20. While it dosnt have many hardpoints, trying to avoid a 96kph jumping jagerbomb is still some scary spit.

They said they will nerf the Clan weapons: so 3 hardpoints are bad.

Besides, it's not exactly balanced to have some Clan mechs or variants with 3 hardpoints and others with 11.

Pariah Devalis, on 08 May 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I always figured those boxy things were the A-pods, personally....

They are. Read about the Hellbringer.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Never was a big fan of the Summoner but it turned out well. I'm interested to see what we can do with omni pods to remedy its limited hard points.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Odanan, on 08 May 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

They said they will nerf the Clan weapons: so 3 hardpoints are bad.

I think their reasoning is this from the omnimech construction thread:

Spoiler

• OmniPods can exist for configurations that we do not sell as complete 'Mechs in the store.
  
  • E.g. The Black Hawk D only has 2 hardpoints, and could be hard to justify making as a 'Mech on its own, but the hardpoints are unique compared to other configurations. So the OmniPod of the Black Hawk D’s right arm OmniPod could be made available to place on other configurations

The idea is that even though the Prime has 3 hardpoints, they are more like sections of the mech you can swap out, IE prime would be "1E(RA) 1B(LA) 1M(LT)" and a Alt C has (In theory, I dont recall what side it had the UAC20 on to be honest) "1B(RA) 2E(LA) 1M(LT)" and the omnipod system would let you exchange the primes 1E(RA) for the Alt-C's 1B(RA) allowing for a "1B(RA) 1B(LA) 1M(LT)" build, or do the opposite and take the energy points for a "1E(RA) 2E(LA) 1M(LT)".

Think I hurt my brain.

[PsyArkron]

Triangular Summoner is triangular!


I think this is the first clanmech design that I don't like too much...
Everything else is fine but that triangular upper part bothers me.

Edited by PsyArkron, 08 May 2014 - 01:49 PM.

[Archon]

CoffiNail, on 08 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

TRO art was drawn before the write up. Apparently the TRO art reflects the 'MK1' designs. This had the Summoner with a SRM 6 in the CT and they got distributed on the thighs.

This is also why the Mad Dog and Timber Wolf both have LRM boxes of 15, not 20.

Yup, that sounds like most TRO designs, lol. Thank you.

[Monsoon]

shad0w4life, on 08 May 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Wow the lack of hardpoints...with clan Nerf this thing is going to get destroyed I think. The Mech looks good

You guys REALLY need to release info on clan mechs weapons etc.

LoL, agreed only one Energy, Ballistic & Missile, I think I'll take my Cataphract over this one, even with Clan weapon advantages.

Otherwise, I don't mind the look, but the Thor and Loki were never my kind of mech.

Edited by Monsoon, 08 May 2014 - 01:51 PM.

[Corbenik]

Spheroid, on 08 May 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Why do you need a Griffin cockpit if this mech is going to be used to poptart? The glass is all above you so it serves no purpose. All I am asking is they cover the top panes with metal to make it more Thunderbolt like.

You should feel safe in a seventy ton mech. Excessive glass works against this.

but....but...its Future Glass! indestructible!

[Name140704]

Domoneky, on 08 May 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

Alright guys. time to grab the pitchforks and do what we always do whenever new stuff comes out. Time to complain and QQ about it.

When something is wrong, yes. This here is ALLLLL right.

aniviron, on 08 May 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

I'm not crazy about how blocky the torso is or how chunky the arms are, and I do feel like the hexagonal shape for the PPC arm should be a lot more pronounced. Still, I like it overall. The legs are absolutely perfect. And the more I look at it, the more it looks like the art from the original diagram:



That right arm bugs me still though.

I feel the same somewhat, but it is mostly a copy of the timberwolf arm, as it should have been, minus the hexagon.