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#121 SirLANsalot

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:48 PM

Updated the pic someone made a long time ago on the clan stuff, it now has the S ones that were mentioned. (yes the Uller dose get JJ's)

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM

View PostRouken, on 23 May 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

It also appears we will be able to get within 1 energy hardpoint of the "B" variant based on some pod swapping. Not to mention I think the "B" variant would suffer from low ammo (2 tons stock). Probably would need to drop a laser or two with that build anyways.

Unfortunatly, you'll only be able to get within 2 energy weapons. The prime Stormcrow carries an energy hardpoint in its head, but brings a minimum of 22 double heatsinks with it that leave no room for any weapons or equipment in the side torsos, and barely enough room in each arm for a couple lasers. You would have to use the C config as a base, and bring in an arm from the prime for a maximum of 4 energy hardpoints.

While this is a bit depressing, considering what we could have had, a U-AC/20 with 4 ER medium lasers, 3 tons of ammo, and either more ammo, an extra heatsink, or maxed armor on a 55 tonner that moves at over 100 kph is still very good.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:35 AM

I really want to know the engine ratings on the non-prime light variants. I have a feeling that the Adder Prime is going to be about as useful as something like this JR7-K just with 3.5 tons more toward heat sinks.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:09 AM

View PostEcho535, on 24 May 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

I really want to know the engine ratings on the non-prime light variants. I have a feeling that the Adder Prime is going to be about as useful as something like this JR7-K just with 3.5 tons more toward heat sinks.


They're all the same. On all mechs. The engine is part of the base chassis which is exactly the same across all variants. (it's actually technically configurations but... )

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:41 AM

View PostGigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM, said:

While this is a bit depressing, considering what we could have had, a U-AC/20 with 4 ER medium lasers, 3 tons of ammo, and either more ammo, an extra heatsink, or maxed armor on a 55 tonner that moves at over 100 kph is still very good.

Even then 22 DHS is going to make those energy loadouts run (relatively) pretty darn cool

Especially since Clan DHS are only 2 crits

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM

View PostGigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM, said:

Unfortunatly, you'll only be able to get within 2 energy weapons. The prime Stormcrow carries an energy hardpoint in its head, but brings a minimum of 22 double heatsinks with it that leave no room for any weapons or equipment in the side torsos, and barely enough room in each arm for a couple lasers. You would have to use the C config as a base, and bring in an arm from the prime for a maximum of 4 energy hardpoints.

While this is a bit depressing, considering what we could have had, a U-AC/20 with 4 ER medium lasers, 3 tons of ammo, and either more ammo, an extra heatsink, or maxed armor on a 55 tonner that moves at over 100 kph is still very good.


Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).

The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.

Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.

Edited by Rouken, 24 May 2014 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:23 PM

View PostRouken, on 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:


Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).

The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.

Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.


True.


The minimum HS for the Stormecrow/Ryoken is 10 DHS. So any other "stock" configurations that have more, can be removed.

Also do not forget that the ERLL is only 1 Crit and 4 tons, so it will fit anywhere a ML can, or in the case of the Stormcrow, the head.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:11 PM

View PostRisko Vinsheen, on 22 May 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

Warhawk / Masakari
Note: All Warhawk carry a fixed Targeting Computer


(If anyone else spots any errors I missed feel free to point them out so I can fix them.)

I don't have a TRO handy, I believe the the basic info on mechs are pretty much copy-pasted from them.

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Additionally, though not truly fixed equipment on the chassis, theWarhawk managed to incorporate an advancedTargeting Computer into each of its configurations, making all of its direct fire weapons extremely accurate.


[Edited to remove Sarna formatting]

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 24 May 2014 - 01:19 PM.


#129 Shar Wolf

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:30 PM

View PostOneEyed Jack, on 24 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I don't have a TRO handy, I believe the the basic info on mechs are pretty much copy-pasted from them.

Must be a wiki-war going on, when I made my lists, that line wasn't there
I checked for it, because I never had a TRO, so I didn't know what was or was not fixed....which means I probably should have left those notes off. :)

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:46 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 24 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Must be a wiki-war going on, when I made my lists, that line wasn't there
I checked for it, because I never had a TRO, so I didn't know what was or was not fixed....which means I probably should have left those notes off. :)


The masakari has a TC on all of them, but it is not hardlocked and can be removed.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM

View PostSirLANsalot, on 24 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:


The masakari has a TC on all of them, but it is not hardlocked and can be removed.

Not entirely true. "Though the Computer must be modified for different weapons arrays, and in fact sometimes consumes more room and weight, the basic computing boards appear to be built into the frame of the 'Mech." pg 38, TRO 3050 first edition, 1990.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM

View PostRouken, on 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:


Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).

The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.

Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.

Ok, I was about to contest this, but reading the omnimech construction rules again told me that the minimum number of heatsinks was bound to the chassis as a whole, rather than the individual configuration. See, I thought it was just impossible to remove heatsinks that came stock with a config, and where they all were located was determined solely by the CT.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some posts to edit...and some loadouts to theorycraft...

Edited by Gigastrike, 24 May 2014 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:59 PM

View PostGigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Ok, I was about to contest this, but reading the omnimech construction rules again told me that the minimum number of heatsinks was bound to the chassis as a whole, rather than the individual configuration. See, I thought it was just impossible to remove heatsinks that came stock with a config, and where they all were located was determined solely by the CT.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some posts to edit...and some loadouts to theorycraft...

Yup. We all make mistakes and assumptions. But admitting when one has done so, or being open to the possibility? That's when good stuff happens. (Besides, the fact that some of us are walking freaking encyclopaedias of this crap..... doesn't really say all that much good about or "IRL"s, lol! Oy I need to get out more!)

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:34 PM

Not sure what, if anything, has been posted in this thread regarding loadouts for the variants we've been given, so I threw some info together. My apologies if this has already been posted.

Adder:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure

Prime:

CT: 1x Flamer

LA: 1x ER PPC

RA: 1x ER PPC

A:

CT: 1x Flamer

LA: 1x LRM 20

LT: 1x Small Pulse Laser

RA: 1x LRM 20

RT: 1x Small Pulse Laser

D:

CT: 1x Flamer

LA: 1x ER Large Laser

LT: 1x Streak SRM 2

RA: 1x UAC/5

RT: 1x Streak SRM 2




Dire Wolf:
Standard Armor
Standard Structure

Prime:

LA: 2x ER Large Laser, 2x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x UAC/5

LT: 1x LRM 10

RA: 2x ER Large Laser, 2x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x UAC/5

A:

LA: 1x Gauss Rifle

LT: 2x Streak SRM 6

RA: 3x Large Pulse Laser

RT: 1x AMS

B:

CT: 1x ER Small Laser

LA: 2x ER PPC, 2x Medium Pulse Laser

LT: 2x UAC/2

RA: 1x LB 10-X AC

RT: 2x UAC/2





Kit Fox:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure

Prime:

LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x Small Pulse Laser

RA: 1x Streak SRM 4, 1x LB 5-X AC

D:

LA: 1x LRM 15, 1x LRM 5

RA: 1x LRM 15, 1x Narc Beacon

S:

LA: 1x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x Streak SRM 4

RA: 1x Large Pulse Laser, 1x Small Pulse Laser

LT: 1x Machine Gun

RT: 1x Machine Gun

6 Jump Jets




Nova:
Standard Armor
Standard Structure

Prime:

LA: 6x ER Medium Laser

RA: 6x ER Medium Laser

5 Jump Jets

B:

LA: 1x Large Pulse Laser

LT: 2x Machine Gun

RA: 1x UAC/5

RT: 1x ER Small Laser

5 Jump Jets

S:

LA: 3x Medium Pulse Laser

LT: 2x Machine Gun

RA: 3x Medium Pulse Laser

RT: 2x Machine Gun

CT: 1x AMS

HD: BAP

5 Jump Jets



Stormcrow:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure

Prime:

HD: 1x ER Medium Laser

LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium Laser

RA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium laser

C:

LA: 1x LB 10-X AC

LT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser

RA: 1x Large Pulse Laser

RT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser

D:

LA: 1x LRM 20

LT: 2x SRM 2

RA: 1x LRM 20

RT: 1x Narc Beacon



Summoner:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Standard Structure

Prime:

LA: 1x LB 10-X AC

LT: 1x LRM 15

RA: 1x ER PPC

5 Jump Jets

B:

LA: 1x LRM 20, 1x SRM 4

LT: 1x AMS, 1x Narc Beacon

RA: 1x LRM 20, 1x SRM 4

5 Jump Jets

D:

LA: 1x ER Large Laser, ER Medium Laser

LT: 1x Machine Gun, 1x AMS

RA: 1x ER Large Laser, ER Medium Laser

RT: 1x AMS, 1x Machine Gun

5 Jump Jets



Timber Wolf:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure

Prime:

CT: 1x Machine Gun

LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x Medium Laser

LT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x LRM 20

RA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium Laser

RT: 1x Machine Gun, 1x LRM 20

C:

CT: 1x ER Medium Laser

LA: 2x ER Large Laser

LT: 1x LRM 15, 1x AMS

RA: 1x UAC/5

RT: 1x LRM 15

S:

LA: 1x Large Pulse Laser

LT: 1x Machine Gun, 2x SRM 6

RA: 2x Medium Pulse Laser

RT: 1x ER Small Laser, 1x Machine Gun, 2x SRM 6

5 Jump Jets



Warhawk:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Standard Structure

Prime:

LA: 2x ER PPC, 1x LRM 10

RA: 2x ER PPC

A:

LA: 2x ER Large Laser, 1x Streak SRM 6

RA: 1x LB 10-X AC

RT: 1x LRM 15

B:

CT: 1x Narc Beacon

LA: 1x Gauss Rifle, 1x ER Small Laser

RA: 3x ER Medium Laser

RT: 2x SRM 6



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:16 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 22 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Warhawk / Masakari
Note: All Warhawk carry a fixed Targeting Computer
P: 4xERPPC 1xLRM10
-- 4E 1M
A: 2xERLL 1xLBAC10 1xLRM15 1xSSRM6
-- 1B 2E 2M
B: 1xGauss 3xERML 1xERSL 1xSRM6 NARC
-- 1B 4E 2M



Very nice list, Shar. However I think that Warhawks targeting computer is not fixed.

If you go here and look for the PDF titled "BattleTech 35122 - Technical Readout - 3050 Upgrade-OEF.pdf" on page 140 there is a section titled "Weight and Space Allocation." Here it lists the the allocation of fixed items like endo, ff, DHS, etc. Of note is the fact that the TC is not listed here but is instead listed under sections with the various configuration's weapons/equipment.

For comparison the Adder on page 120 has it's flamer listed under the "Weight and Space Allocation" section. The flamer doesn't show up in the weapons list for any of the configurations, presumably because it has been identified as part of the base. Also, other instances of fixed equipment such as the Nova and Summoner's jump jets would suggest that the Warhawk's TC is not fixed.

EDIT: OK, think I got that link working now. ;)

Edited by Rouken, 30 May 2014 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:08 PM

View PostRouken, on 30 May 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

EDIT: OK, think I got that link working now. ;)

The TC on the Warhawk seems to be rather like the MG on the Timberwolf
Half the TRO say one thing - the other half say another.

Given that we do not know what the TC does yet - I would assume it would not be fixed, but at the same time it is probably wise to plan for the worst (IE that it is tonnage we have "lost")

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:14 PM

View PostSirLANsalot, on 24 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:


True.


The minimum HS for the Stormecrow/Ryoken is 10 DHS. So any other "stock" configurations that have more, can be removed.

Also do not forget that the ERLL is only 1 Crit and 4 tons, so it will fit anywhere a ML can, or in the case of the Stormcrow, the head.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM

Bleah. I put in a request for a refund on the Ryoken Collection after I found out neither the A or B config would be available.

I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:34 PM

View PostPanchoTortilla, on 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Bleah. I put in a request for a refund on the Ryoken Collection after I found out neither the A or B config would be available.

I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.

well, the biggest issue for me is that we don't know if the A and B are going to be available. Just because they are not in the initial Package. I am willing to bet we will see more variants for CBills, though the Devs inability to confirm or deny is rather annoying.

Fortunately for me most of the versions are the ones I wanted for my Thor Pack, especially the Nova-S, or I might be in the same boat as you on the refund queue.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:42 PM

View PostPanchoTortilla, on 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Bleah. I put in a request for a refund on the Ryoken Collection after I found out neither the A or B config would be available.

I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.


You can build both of those configurations with omni pods from the ones we are getting. I think the B would be short 1 laser. Otherwise the hardpoints are just in different locations.





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