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[Blacksoul1987]

Wispsy, on 24 June 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Logic is an ugly thing?

The stalker is an ugly thing..... it looks like a personal massage device on legs.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Wispsy, on 24 June 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Logic is an ugly thing?

Wispsy, on 24 June 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

obviously I consider myself the best at all things

Sorry boss, that's not logic that's pride. And it looks really dumb when you are sitting here discussing a F2P Mechwarrior game.

I doubt you are even the best at this. Let alone much else.

I know I'm certainly not.

[Blacksoul1987]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 24 June 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Sorry boss, that's not logic that's pride. And it looks really dumb when you are sitting here discussing a F2P Mechwarrior game.

I doubt you are even the best at this. Let alone much else.

I know I'm certainly not.

not quite sure but I took that line as a joke

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Blacksoul1987, on 24 June 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

not quite sure but I took that line as a joke

Didn't come across that way, missing some of the telltale signs of sarcasm. Especially his initial response to my calling him out on it.

[Blackscreen]

SilentWolff, on 24 June 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

While I salute your skill and victory in the tourney, you didn't beat all other teams in competitive play. You just beat the teams that happened to enter that particular tourney.

When CW comes out and the wins and loses really matter, then we will see what the real deal is.

I'm no fan of HoL, but once you win some things, you kinda get to say you're the best until someone else comes along and beats you down...

Are there 5 teams of worldbeaters out there whose existence is known only to you?

And as far as CW goes, no one knows what exactly that's going to be like...

Edited by Blackscreen, 24 June 2014 - 12:00 PM.

[SilentWolff]

Blackscreen, on 24 June 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm no fan of HoL, but once you win some things, you kinda get to say you're the best until someone else comes along and beats you down...

Are there 5 teams of worldbeaters out there whose existence is known only to you?

And as far as CW goes, no one knows what exactly that's going to be like...

I gave them credit for winning the tourney. But, I would venture to say the number of players entered into that tourney vs the amount of people being active in CW when it's released is quite a small subset of the community.

[Gyrok]

Philldoe, on 24 June 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

Heim, I salute your effort to bring this post to the forums, but you're basicly explaining Particle Physics to the short bus. These people lack the mental acuity to understand the reasoning behind the words.

I am disinclined to be aggregated with the group I believe you are nonchalantly poking at with this statement.

In fact, I think you will find the comprehension and cognitive abilities of some of the people in this thread are likely beyond your own cognizance of the situation. The reality of this all boils down to one simple point, the assessment of one person, or even a minuscule portion of the player base composed of like minded individuals, does not wholly constitute the assessment of anyone else. Much less is this all representative of the majority of the player base in aggregate.

Had Clan mechs been underpowered when introduced, the flock of comp players and others would be saying "caveat emptor"...however, they are being shown to be on roughly equal footing in some cases, slightly worse in others, and slightly better in some. The variability is something you simply need to come to terms with, and I cannot make you do that until you achieve self awareness that permits you to realize that your own perception of the reality is flawed.

Thanks for participating. GG.

[Mystere]

Blackscreen, on 24 June 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Are there 5 teams of worldbeaters out there whose existence is known only to you?

I have a whole army being prepared. But the gestation period is just too long.

[Blacksoul1987]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 24 June 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

Didn't come across that way, missing some of the telltale signs of sarcasm. Especially his initial response to my calling him out on it.

if he was serious I don't think he would have said the word "consider", I dunno I have never talked to the guy so couldn't tell you for sure but that sounds like something I would say right before I shutdown in front of a direwolf

[Sixthdegree]

i dont own any clan mech. i dont have problems killing any clan mech either on my IS mech. but when you see an entire team dead and only timberwolves remain, maybe they are a little op as opposed to the rest of the clan mechs. games used to end with a spider or cicada running around dodging the last killing blow to lose. now it's timberwolves

[Mystere]

Philldoe, on 24 June 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

Heim, I salute your effort to bring this post to the forums, but you're basicly explaining Particle Physics to the short bus. These people lack the mental acuity to understand the reasoning behind the words.

Please demonstrate your prowess in Particle Physics to everyone here.

Be forewarned though that there are actual physicists, particle or otherwise, playing MWO and thus can spot your BS.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 24 June 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

If nobody is better how does that prove we are not the best?

I mean I am not saying it as a team thing here, obviously I consider myself the best at all things...but ya...being the best is about being better then everybody else, not being on a mythical level never reachable due to physics and mechanics...

The Best can overcome handicaps with better strategy. Have you tested your ability that way. Have you fought and beat the meta with sub-meta weapons and Mechs? THAT is how you know you are the best.

[Gyrok]

Be Rough With Me Plz, on 24 June 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

I've got a question regarding the pre-nerfed Victor: How was the torso twist compared to the current Timberwolf?

I've only been playing this particular game for a month or so, but I've been playing all the Battletech games since MechCommander on Zone.com (Mpiggies can go DIE!). So, conceptually, I believe I have a firm grasp on comparative gameplay between the various Battletech encarnations.

I've only read the first 14-15 pages before it kinda devolved into a flamewar, but as a Victor brawler, I haven't really had an issue 1v1'ing any of the new clan mechs using an XL 360 engine using an AC20/srm16 loadout. I usually lead the charge/initiate fights so thinking of a more agile Victor makes me drool.

Seemed like the main/initial complaint revolved around the superb handling of the Timberwolf chassis combined with the "poptart" playstyle. (Which is understandable considering it was the backbone of the Clan forces)

If the Victor regained its mobility, comparable to that of the Timberwolf considering there is only a 5 ton difference, how would this argument change? Would there even be an argument?

The argument would not even exist...the Victor would no longer even be contested as the king of the jack of all trades mechs...(outside of LRM boating...but seriously...who plays a victor to run LRMs?)

[TOGSolid]

For some reason the forums won't let me quote the relevant post on my phone so this is in response to Adiuvo's comments on LRMs.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with lock on LRMs as long as that it's balanced with needing to be much more on the ball with positioning, coordination, and timing. It's basically a different flavor of skill. To that extent, I do think it's pretty silly how the LRMs can make absurd turns to hit their target so cleaning up those sort of aspects would make them a more interesting weapon to use. Of course, the hard counters would all need to be dealt with otherwise even the best LRM system ever would still be a complete waste of space.

The entire point of the weapon system is its range and lock on capabilities, there just needs to be more thought involved other than "I am locked on? THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!". Kinda like how jets can't just fart missiles everywhere in a dogfight. Hell, even in Ace Combat you'll miss if you aren't at a good angle (unless you have QAAMS and then who needs to aim?).

The entire system is just kinda crappy and in need of a redesign really.

[Mystere]

Be Rough With Me Plz, on 24 June 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

If the Victor regained its mobility, comparable to that of the Timberwolf considering there is only a 5 ton difference, how would this argument change? Would there even be an argument?

There will be no argument as long the the Highlander was also given the same treatment.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 24 June 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Logic is an ugly thing?

No its not. Logic is a beautiful bird that sings badly. Spock said so!

[Ngamok]

SLDF DeathlyEyes, on 24 June 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

Not all mechs have it certainly not all the trials. I am saying as a person who just started out playing. Also did you know there is no cover from LRMs on Caustic Valley like I described. There is literally nowhere you can hide from LRMs on it.

Map fault, not LRM fault. I think variety in maps is fun and nice, but there should be a way to avoid if needed. But really, Caustic does have 2-3 nice big hills, it just depends where you are vs. the incoming LRMs.

[Mystere]

TOGSolid, on 24 June 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

To that extent, I do think it's pretty silly how the LRMs can make absurd turns to hit their target so cleaning up those sort of aspects would make them a more interesting weapon to use.

Watch this video and see how an anti-tank missile abruptly changes course to hit its target.

Edited by Mystere, 24 June 2014 - 12:31 PM.

[Ngamok]

jd7710, on 24 June 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

This is the reason i stopped playing COD. Too many campers! If your lrm boat or a pop tart the only skill you show is hiding. The best games played are the ones where people actually talk to each other and use tactics. Even after the clan release some of my best matches were in Kintaro variants andGriffins. Basically if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. If anything she be nerfed its the people crying that their particular play still has to change cause they can't kill half a team anymore. And as I recall of we are following the timeline the clans swept everyone aside till the battle of Wolcott because of their superior technology.

You know why there are campers? Because the good players run around with whatever gun is the best depending on which version of CoD you are playing. Since MW3, the maps have gotten smaller and people all use a silenced MP7 because it's super accurate. Even in MW2 you could out snipe the snipers with an ACR because of it's very near 0 recoil.

[Abivard]

There are all kinds of places to hide from LRM's on caustic, when ever I see the words, 'no cover' I dismiss the rest of the post as more of the same nonsense.

What caustic does have is plenty of wide open spaces...So... what are you doing in the middle of a wide open space when you know that LRM's may be present?