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[Catho Sharn]

Wolf87535, on 02 July 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

support@mwomercs.com

And send them.... ?

[Cricket504]

Had this happen twice tonight out of 5 matches we had our 3 man. Both times the 12 stomped us and in one match we could even see that they were setting us up for but without communication to the other members of the other smaller groups, nothing we could do to counter it. No, typing in the chat is NOT communication unless you like to offer your self up as a unmoving target.
Love how PGI had the wiggle in the patch notes that the 2 to 4 could drop in the solo or group. The part missing was the 2 to 4 man did not get to choose! They just get dumped in what ever the MM choses.

[Wolf Clearwater]

Catho Sharn, on 02 July 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

And send them.... ?

Time of day, screenshots or video, other players in the match, map it took place on, etc. As much detail as you can give them about who,what,when,where.

[SoHxPaladin]

DAEDALOS513, on 02 July 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

But what respectable 12-man would want to drop against 3 or 4 smaller premades? Just for the sake of dropping in a 12 man? What's the frackin point then? So you can stomp them? Then what, you will feel proud of that win and brag about it back at base camp? That's not what the 12man team I remember was like.

That is what lobby is for. 8 to 12 mans should be played and organized within the lobby system.

yea getting another group scheduled is always a hassle first off. second, no we want competent teams to drop against, but we can't help what we get to fight, even in the pub 12s before this patch. did we win them all before? NOPE. Do we win them all now? NOPE. some mixed groups and pure 12s have beaten us, it happens, we laughed and moved forward. To ***** because the groups are finally fighting each other instead of beating up on the solo pug queue is asinine. Grow some balls and fight the better players that are grouping up, hell, group up yourself with other folks lookin to have fun in giant stompy robots. it is the way it's meant to be played.

[Wolf Clearwater]

6 two man teams vs one 12 man team is no different then just dropping everyone in a single queue, might as well throw the whole matchmaker out the window. Why are there few 12 mans? Maybe because they are hard to put together. More likely (certainly among the 220 friends I game with) people hate them. 12 man drops seem to be nothing but pompous, self-righteous people with acute cases of cranial-rectalitis running the latest meta (if your offended by that, you are probably one). So that is fun how? Communication is everything on the battlefield. If they fixed the in-game comm system, then people probably wouldn't care as much.

Edited by Wolf87535, 02 July 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[SoHxPaladin]

XPH Aku, on 02 July 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

At what time did a 12 man ever go against a 2 man before the patch? Shouldn't they address why there are no 12 man teams instead of making playing 3 and 4 man teams no fun to play? Why should I be forced to play in games that aren't fun just so you and 11 other guys have some one to drop against?

you are still in a group no matter the size therefore have the advatage over solo pugs. i consider it a challenge to fight against bigger groups, and yes it is fun. it is great glory to be at the big disadvantage and pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Get your big boy pants on and play some matches, you wont ever control what queue you are truly in, get over it.

[Isabelle]

While I agree that it would be nice to have the choice of dropping in the solo que vs the 2-12 que for groups of 2 to 4, I see one flaw with allowing them this choice.

I'm fairly certain almost EVERY 2-4 player group would chose to drop in the solo que (if not every single one). This in turn would mean that there would be no (or very few at the most) ways to fill in the remaining slots for 8-10 player groups. This would leave us with a solo + 2-4 group que, and a 5-7 que, since 8-10 would almost never be able to find a match.

[Commissar Aku]

SoHxPaladin, on 02 July 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

you are still in a group no matter the size therefore have the advatage over solo pugs. i consider it a challenge to fight against bigger groups, and yes it is fun. it is great glory to be at the big disadvantage and pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Get your big boy pants on and play some matches, you wont ever control what queue you are truly in, get over it.

You are dumb and to thick headed to see the point so eat a PPC you Liao wanna be scum. You act like the only answer to the problem is make small groups play against big groups. Shouldn't there be a better solution? What about adding voice communication to the game and not just relying on TS servers that unless you already have friends on you can't join, or maybe restricting 12 man groups to lobbies and tournaments? Or maybe just maybe removing the ability to make 12 man groups entirely. We want a fun game for every one, I don't want to have to no longer have fun playing and "put on big boy pants" just so you can feel like your PPC is bigger than mine.

Edited by XPH Aku, 02 July 2014 - 06:47 PM.

[SoHxPaladin]

Wolf87535, on 02 July 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

6 two man teams vs one 12 man team is no different then just dropping everyone in a single queue, might as well throw the whole matchmaker out the window. Why are there few 12 mans? Maybe because they are hard to put together. More likely (certainly among the 220 friends I game with) people hate them. 12 man drops seem to be nothing but pompous, self-righteous butt-hats running the latest meta (if your offended by that, you are probably one). So that is fun how? Communication is everything on the battlefield. If they fixed the in-game comm system, then people probably wouldn't care as much.

yea, an in game voice comms would be great, agreed, but if you ever run 12 mans you will see that only a certain few uber comp teams run the meta only and that there is a wonderful spread of tactics for 12mans out there that people play with and it is so much more fun than constantly dropping with people you wont/cant/shouldnt communicate with because they dont give a rip anyway, they will just do what they do. that gets old, and people want to have more of what 12s give ya.

Isabelle, on 02 July 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

While I agree that it would be nice to have the choice of dropping in the solo que vs the 2-12 que for groups of 2 to 4, I see one flaw with allowing them this choice.

I'm fairly certain almost EVERY 2-4 player group would chose to drop in the solo que (if not every single one). This in turn would mean that there would be no (or very few at the most) ways to fill in the remaining slots for 8-10 player groups. This would leave us with a solo + 2-4 group que, and a 5-7 que, since 8-10 would almost never be able to find a match.

god forbid you speak sense into the pub queue's for these *******

[DAEDALOS513]

Cricket504, on 02 July 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

Had this happen twice tonight out of 5 matches we had our 3 man. Both times the 12 stomped us and in one match we could even see that they were setting us up for but without communication to the other members of the other smaller groups, nothing we could do to counter it. No, typing in the chat is NOT communication unless you like to offer your self up as a unmoving target.
Love how PGI had the wiggle in the patch notes that the 2 to 4 could drop in the solo or group. The part missing was the 2 to 4 man did not get to choose! They just get dumped in what ever the MM choses.

UN-BE-LIEV-A-BLE

If you cared anything about your K/D ration, sucks to be you now.

[SoHxPaladin]

XPH Aku, on 02 July 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

You are dumb and to thick headed to see the point so eat a PPC you Liao wanna be scum.

thick headed for knowing that the MM will put me in drops where i will be outnumbered when me and a few bubs get together? that has been this game since it's inception! what delusional world do you live in to think that they can fill all pub group queue's when thy allow 2-4 man groups to choose. it doesn't work when more and more people keep saying they would runn bigger groups if they got the choice.

BTW, Kudos to the Widowmakers and Skye Rangers and all the other teams that have ran against us tonight (Clan Wolf Delta Galaxy, www.cwdg.us) and played well or stomped us or made itt 12-10 matches, even the thrown together mix groups that heavily outtonned us and slaughtered us, though those matches were fun as hell!

Edited by SoHxPaladin, 02 July 2014 - 06:48 PM.

[Wolf Clearwater]

SoHxPaladin, on 02 July 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

yea, an in game voice comms would be great, agreed, but if you ever run 12 mans you will see that only a certain few uber comp teams run the meta only and that there is a wonderful spread of tactics for 12mans out there that people play with and it is so much more fun than constantly dropping with people you wont/cant/shouldnt communicate with because they dont give a rip anyway, they will just do what they do. that gets old, and people want to have more of what 12s give ya.

I have done 12 man drops. That is all it ever is: "uber comp meta teams". 12 man drops suck, they are zero fun

[Commissar Aku]

SoHxPaladin, on 02 July 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

yea, an in game voice comms would be great, agreed, but if you ever run 12 mans you will see that only a certain few uber comp teams run the meta only and that there is a wonderful spread of tactics for 12mans out there that people play with and it is so much more fun than constantly dropping with people you wont/cant/shouldnt communicate with because they dont give a rip anyway, they will just do what they do. that gets old, and people want to have more of what 12s give ya.



god forbid you speak sense into the pub queue's for these *******

No they don't people want to play and have fun, not get rofl stomped every time. Eat a PPC get over yourself and learn to read. If people wanted more 12 man groups don't you think this thread would have no comments on it? Instead you and 2 other people are the ONLY ones saying this was even a remotely good idea. People wanted to drop against equally weighted teams, not play against meta BS until no one plays anymore. We want more people to play this game not less.

[SoHxPaladin]

the same 6 folks are bitching, the others are not. on top of that, i distinctly remember forums posts about increasing group size so that units can play together. well here it is, and the solo and 2 man group folks are bitching, like always. and no, the teams that stomp your face don't always run the meta, unless you always face the same teams, then blame MM lol. i can read just fine, and i haven't ever seen your name in game so our ELO's don't match up. God forbid you drop against us and actually pay attention to our loadouts, our builds aint meta, neither are the widowmakers, or the skye rangers, or 1FSAC, or many other units out there. Play in more group matches than just your bullshit 2 mans that ***** about everything this game adds to it.

[DAEDALOS513]

SoHxPaladin, on 02 July 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

yea getting another group scheduled is always a hassle first off. second, no we want competent teams to drop against, but we can't help what we get to fight, even in the pub 12s before this patch. did we win them all before? NOPE. Do we win them all now? NOPE. some mixed groups and pure 12s have beaten us, it happens, we laughed and moved forward. To ***** because the groups are finally fighting each other instead of beating up on the solo pug queue is asinine. Grow some balls and fight the better players that are grouping up, hell, group up yourself with other folks lookin to have fun in giant stompy robots. it is the way it's meant to be played.

That's fine, I agree with grouping up and fighting hard, but I shouldn't have to be FORCED to have to group up. Why don't you understand this? I should have a choice. I don't want to have to play competitively everytime I log in. If that's the case, I can kiss goodbye to half my mechs that I love dropping with, including my mando's, hunchy's, treb's, simply because they can't compete anymore.

You are so wrong and so tunnel visioned, there is no reasoning with you man.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 02 July 2014 - 07:03 PM.

[zeninsight]

Chill out... it used to be like this in close beta 8/9 (forgot) premade pug stomp.. it was really fun (for the premade of course).. but they make it into the mechanism before this patch to make it fairer.. but with the new patch they broke it again... don't worry they will fix it later and call it progress.. same. With LRM.. at first they are ok.. then boost it to OP... then nerfed it.. then boost it again then nerfed it again... this is progress!!! U will see the same pattern all over again.. chill out this is pgi version of progress

[DAEDALOS513]

Isabelle, on 02 July 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

While I agree that it would be nice to have the choice of dropping in the solo que vs the 2-12 que for groups of 2 to 4, I see one flaw with allowing them this choice.

I'm fairly certain almost EVERY 2-4 player group would chose to drop in the solo que (if not every single one). This in turn would mean that there would be no (or very few at the most) ways to fill in the remaining slots for 8-10 player groups. This would leave us with a solo + 2-4 group que, and a 5-7 que, since 8-10 would almost never be able to find a match.

Do you think there is a reason WHY they would not prefer to drop in a larger group queue? You just proved my point Isabelle, it isn't fair, that's why. Therefore, forcing them to fight against organized larger groups, is not right.

Fortunately there is the lobby system for the competitive 8 to 12 man groups to drop in whenever they want.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 02 July 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[DAEDALOS513]

Wolf87535, on 02 July 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

I have done 12 man drops. That is all it ever is: "uber comp meta teams". 12 man drops suck, they are zero fun

Yup. You are forced to run META if you wanna participate in them. They play strictly for the win. It's so wrong, on so many levels. Now picture this mentality going up against a team consisting of 3 or 4 small groups. Might as well be 12-man vs all pugs.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 02 July 2014 - 07:11 PM.

[Commissar Aku]

zeninsight, on 02 July 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

Chill out... it used to be like this in close beta 8/9 (forgot) premade pug stomp.. it was really fun (for the premade of course).. but they make it into the mechanism before this patch to make it fairer.. but with the new patch they broke it again... don't worry they will fix it later and call it progress.. same. With LRM.. at first they are ok.. then boost it to OP... then nerfed it.. then boost it again then nerfed it again... this is progress!!! U will see the same pattern all over again.. chill out this is pgi version of progress

Yea, but I don't want to wait 6 months for PGI to get around to it.

[DAEDALOS513]

SoHxPaladin, on 02 July 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

the same 6 folks are bitching, the others are not. on top of that, i distinctly remember forums posts about increasing group size so that units can play together. well here it is, and the solo and 2 man group folks are bitching, like always. and no, the teams that stomp your face don't always run the meta, unless you always face the same teams, then blame MM lol. i can read just fine, and i haven't ever seen your name in game so our ELO's don't match up. God forbid you drop against us and actually pay attention to our loadouts, our builds aint meta, neither are the widowmakers, or the skye rangers, or 1FSAC, or many other units out there. Play in more group matches than just your bullshit 2 mans that ***** about everything this game adds to it.

No man, it's much more than six people, they just have better things to do than you or I than to keep posting the same **** over and over and over and over again.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 02 July 2014 - 07:12 PM.