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[WarHippy]

Screech, on 10 July 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Then you welcome all these changes like I do. Though I do feel a little empathy for the smaller groups as I know some days can be rougher then others.

Except I don't welcome these changes because as a solo player I want to drop in the group queue, and with the current changes I am not able to do so. I'm happy that larger groups are again able to drop together, and I'm happy that the solo players that want to just drop with solos have their queue now, but now I want to have my option as well.

[Kjudoon]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 10 July 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

Well give me your reason then? Let me hear this legitimate reason.

I wanna hear the definition of "legitimate". This should be good.

[Joseph Mallan]

Screech, on 10 July 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yeah but I like to actually read some of the posts. That thread has 5 pages on it and as far as I can tell only 1 person really agreed with the OP. Physician heal thyself.

You asked for names, I provided. Don't like? Not my problem? Whiners gonna whine. If you ain't one, cool. You can move on.

[Kjudoon]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 10 July 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

And in my solo group experiences, and you can ask Almighty Cico, he was in one with me recently. I'm typing out commands, calling targets and telling people when to move/push. And they are listening.

I'm sorry you have a hard time with that.

Your group queue experiences are exactly right though, it's nothing special. But it's a GROUP queue. Where GROUPS can play.

Ah... its not "increased communication". it's "I tell people what to do and they obey me finally."

[Kjudoon]

Vassago Rain, on 10 July 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

The 'excellent solos' aren't really solo players, but highly experienced group players, who are simply there to swiftly grind out XP on the mech of the month.

This is EXACTLY the point I've seen. Some guys in my unit solo because they can''t be on teamspeak due to issues at home or other stuff. So they PUG. Would they rather be in group? heck yeah! Some do, but not many will group up without TS and play that way.

So pretending those in the PUG queue only pug is false.

[Barghest Whelp]

Bhael Fire, on 10 July 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be easier to just join a group? lol

No, because once you join a group you have to commit youself to playing with them for a while. Well, I know you don't HAVE to, but I feel bad if I just drop off all the time. Most of the time when I play, I just play a game or two and then either get bored or something else pops up. It's rare that I enjoy the game enough to play a few hours these days. I think I would enjoy it more if I could opt to play with people who are more organised.

I usually find bigger challanges more enticing, and I feel it's worth a shot. Who knows, it might even help speed up the group qeues.

[Egomane]

I had to remove a lot of trash from this thread. If I have to do that again, some of you will not like it!

So play nice with each other.

[Joseph Mallan]

Barghest Whelp, on 10 July 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

No, because once you join a group you have to commit youself to playing with them for a while. Well, I know you don't HAVE to, but I feel bad if I just drop off all the time. Most of the time when I play, I just play a game or two and then either get bored or something else pops up. It's rare that I enjoy the game enough to play a few hours these days. I think I would enjoy it more if I could opt to play with people who are more organised.

I usually find bigger challanges more enticing, and I feel it's worth a shot. Who knows, it might even help speed up the group qeues.

Playing solo I get bored as well. But when I link up with the guys... 2-3 Hours can fly by without my knowing! Then again The folks I game with are a great batch of humanity and a pleasure to hang with.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Kjudoon, on 10 July 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I wanna hear the definition of "legitimate". This should be good.

I can't think of one, I'm really curious.

I was in a 12 man group recently, people flowed in and out. A few people only stayed for 2 or 3 games. Then new people replaced them or we dropped with 10 or 9 or whatever.

Some people in Teamspeak were only listening, not talking.

It wasn't a big deal, no guff from anyone when people had to leave.

Shoot, if someone came into team speak, typed and asked for an invite then didn't even listen to us talking, I'd never know the difference.

So unless you have some kind of syndrome which doesn't allow you to install teamspeak on your computer, I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't group or 3 or 4 games?

Kjudoon, on 10 July 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

Ah... its not "increased communication". it's "I tell people what to do and they obey me finally."

Someone has to lead, sometimes it's other people. And I call out movements, I tell people when they are NARC'd, I'm not a lazy player.

Sounds like you might be.

[Kjudoon]

Barghest Whelp, on 10 July 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

No, because once you join a group you have to commit youself to playing with them for a while. Well, I know you don't HAVE to, but I feel bad if I just drop off all the time. Most of the time when I play, I just play a game or two and then either get bored or something else pops up. It's rare that I enjoy the game enough to play a few hours these days. I think I would enjoy it more if I could opt to play with people who are more organised.

I usually find bigger challanges more enticing, and I feel it's worth a shot. Who knows, it might even help speed up the group qeues.

Not really. depends on the group. We have a large group of strictly casual players in the Seraphim. Play when and how you want with whom you want. Commitment is minimal.

You should check us out then. www.seekhim.com

[Bhael Fire]

Kjudoon, on 10 July 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

So pretending those in the PUG queue only pug is false.

I spend most of my time in PUG matches.

Most of the time I prefer it because it's more convenient than committing to playing in a group; for example, if I want to get up and walk around after each match or **** around in the mechlab for an inordinate amount of time, I don't have to worry about annoying the rest of my group.

However, I do enjoy playing in groups once and while...just not every damn time I want to play the game.

[Barghest Whelp]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 July 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

Playing solo I get bored as well. But when I link up with the guys... 2-3 Hours can fly by without my knowing! Then again The folks I game with are a great batch of humanity and a pleasure to hang with.

Oh yes, don't get me wrong. I've grouped up in plenty of games before, and I even joined a unit in MWO for a short while. Half the problem is that RL tends to get in the way of me being 100% concentrated on the game for hours straight. Also, I'm not sure how my new GF would react to me blabbering along with a bunch of strangers on the internet (yeah, I guess you could say she a tad old fashioned).

Besides, I don't really feel a need to say much in the game at this point. That one time I realise that my team don't know where to flank I can type it out in chat. Things usually play out more or less the same regardless, and there's rarely a time when VC would have allowed me to make that one winning tactical menuver just in time.

What made it even easier before was the fact that groups often made the other players gather and work in co-ordination without even typing a single word in chat. It was a case of: "oh, those guys seem to know what they're doing. Follow them and do as they do!"

Now that there are no groups in the pug queue, I more often find an actual need to communicate. It's just that the team is so horribly disorganized that I'm more worried about FF than actual incoming.

[NextGame]

Shredhead, on 10 July 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

So, it's official and confirmed by Russ Bullock himself, no more groups in the solo queue:

So, now I hope y'all can stop the bitchin' about the evil premades and play in underhive if you so like.
To all the 2 man groups that feel let down because you (feel you) can't compete, do it like we did in closed beta; enter one of the many open TS Servers and group up with more likeminded people, they aren't hard to find and joining a unit is not necessary for that. Most of us are very welcoming to new and unexperienced players, and having some beers and banter going back and forth is part of the awesomeness of this community.

I played 1 drop today at lunchtime (all I had time for) and it took like 5-10 minutes to find a match, was very disappointing

Like other posters I too want to be able to solo drop in the group queue in order to a) reduce wait times and less likely to get dumped with a truck load of nitwits, especially when I don't have much spare time to play with

Edited by NextGame, 10 July 2014 - 01:10 PM.

[Jman5]

As someone who does a lot of solo queue, group queue, and competitive stuff, I feel like I have some insight on this.

In defense of a previous poster, I do agree that there are some skills that you can learn faster/better in the solo queue. I have always attributed my good map awareness with my experience in the solo queue. It's always such a clusterf*ck that you really need to keep your eyes open for both your team's movement and enemies popping in out of nowhere.

I also think it helps me with independent decision making when I see an opportunity. This is something I have a problem with when comes to how a lot of teams operate. Sometimes you can be too rigid in your movements and it prevents you from seizing an opportunity that your drop commander simply didn't see. This is a hard thing to learn because it requires a certain amount of overconfidence and willingness to assume responsibility when you inevitably blow it for your team.

On the group side of things it really helps improve your overall game plan. It helps you with communicating effectively with your team. It makes you better at focus firing. You can learn how to execute complex and optimal strategies that are difficult or impossible to do in solo queue.

Most importantly, because the skill and competition are so much higher in group queue, it just makes you an all around better player. You're playing with and against a higher tier of players and it forces you to improve aim, reaction time, damage mitigation, etc.

I'm not trying to be rude to anyone, but if you're only playing solo queue, you're going to plateau. You may be better than some people in competitive, but you will never be better than the really good players. You wont improve until you push yourself to constantly practice against that caliber of players when they are playing their hardest and most organized.

I do not think there is just this sea of untapped wealth in the solo queue that would eat the competitive scene for breakfast. The people I recognize that are going above and beyond in the solo queue are almost always players from larger groups.

[Kutfroat]

Shredhead, on 10 July 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

So, it's official and confirmed by Russ Bullock himself, no more groups in the solo queue:

So, now I hope y'all can stop the bitchin' about the evil premades and play in underhive if you so like.
To all the 2 man groups that feel let down because you (feel you) can't compete, do it like we did in closed beta; enter one of the many open TS Servers and group up with more likeminded people, they aren't hard to find and joining a unit is not necessary for that. Most of us are very welcoming to new and unexperienced players, and having some beers and banter going back and forth is part of the awesomeness of this community.

i bet there are many players in your so called "underhive" that are much better than you...think you are the one bitchin´, because you lost your easymode. less organization because of lack of communication (-tools) doesn´t mean many players "down" there would´nt kick your butt 1 on 1. now, without premades, it´s just an even playingground, that´s all.

[Kjudoon]

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Someone has to lead, sometimes it's other people. And I call out movements, I tell people when they are NARC'd, I'm not a lazy player.

Sounds like you might be.

Don't snark if you cannot accept snarks back.

1. you put the word 'legitimate' out there, you provide the definition.

2. That was a casual 12man. Yes, and they sometimes win, sometimes don't, but it's almost always a stomp one way or the other and almost never balanced.

3. As for being a 'lazy' player, that's why my unit always asks me to battle call when I get in the large groups, I'm always calling targets, providing tactical information and generally being the 'go to' guy for my team. I offer that to PUGs and I get about 25% of the time does anyone care or do. Just try to keep a PUG out of the PUG Zapper on Terra Derpa. I gave up. They all want to go look at the pretty light and die in the doorways. I just cannot understand it.

Just as sample of my laziness which any seraphim or FLWM member I've dropped with can back up this is fairly normal for me. Not a great game personally but since I was handling the heavy coordination, I think I did just fine.

Edited by Kjudoon, 10 July 2014 - 01:08 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Kutfroat, on 10 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

i bet there are many players in your so called "underhive" that are much better than you...think you are the one bitchin´, because you lost your easymode. less organization because of lack of communication (-tools) doesn´t mean many players "down" there would´nt kick your butt 1 on 1. now, without premades, it´s just an even playingground, that´s all.

Nah, the underhive is the group that doesn't torso twist, complain that Clan tech is OP and don't understand you have to keep the laser on target for the full duration.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kutfroat, on 10 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

i bet there are many players in your so called "underhive" that are much better than you...think you are the one bitchin´, because you lost your easymode. less organization because of lack of communication (-tools) doesn´t mean many players "down" there would´nt kick your butt 1 on 1. now, without premades, it´s just an even playingground, that´s all.

Sorry but you are wrong. It still isn't even. Some solo players ARE leagues better than the average, and they will still provide their PUG team an advantage that small groups used to balance. No the whine will continue, only the boogieman will change.

[Kjudoon]

Davers, on 10 July 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

I would like to thank PGI for doing what many of us had argued for in that
Feedback thread a few months ago.

For the solo players- no more excuses or scapegoats for your losses. Everyone has to carry their own weight now.

Yep, now they need to parse the 5+ thread out into it's own beast. Solo/Small Group/Large Group. I remember Roadbeer championing this and this was the one thing I worried about happening with it though I generally liked the idea.

Just like skirmish, we got what we demanded.... and regrets are piling up all around.

Joseph Mallan, on 10 July 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

Sorry but you are wrong. It still isn't even. Some solo players ARE leagues better than the average, and they will still provide their PUG team an advantage that small groups used to balance. No the whine will continue, only the boogieman will change.

So I'll never run out of stuff to QQ about??? Whew! That's a relief. My list was getting short and intense.

[Lynx7725]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 July 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

Sorry but you are wrong. It still isn't even. Some solo players ARE leagues better than the average, and they will still provide their PUG team an advantage that small groups used to balance. No the whine will continue, only the boogieman will change.

This I believe.

I'm not going to lie, I'm not doing well in the new solo PUG environment. Doesn't help that I was grinding my Summoner builds, which tended to be support build. Can't work when there's nothing to support.

Maybe in time I'd adapt to the new "meta" in the solo environment, but right now? I'm not having fun.