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[Heeden]

Davers, on 11 July 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Did this thread really go 4 pages before someone said this?

I checked back, expected to find it at least on page 2...

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

why do you say that? I am curious

For a conversation about opinions to go on so long on the internet without someone quoting the Dude is rare.

krash27, on 11 July 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

**** I almost missed this reference!
The Big Lebowski indeed!

******' A man.

[headbasher]

Davers, on 11 July 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Did this thread really go 4 pages before someone said this?

My thought exactly

Edited by headbasher, 11 July 2014 - 08:44 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Funny, I did quote the guy.

"how do you disprove opinion"

Determining what is truth and what is belief can be difficult, and the boundaries between them are a subject of philosophical debate. This branch of philosophy is called epistemology, which is the study of the nature of knowledge, as well as the limits of what human beings can know. If it is accepted that there are objective facts — which not all philosophers agree on — then it can be argued that knowledge is an attempt to match beliefs with reality to develop "true beliefs." If there is no truth, there can be no knowledge"

I personally like the words "Match Beliefs with reality"

I draw from number of sources, best not be be biased.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 09:41 PM.

[MadcatX]

Everybody does truthiness to some extent.

[Mercules]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't protect them from ridicule when it is an opinion not based on factual evidence.

[TKSax]

Blood you would not know a fact if it ran over you in a Direwolf. Remember facts are not just something that agree with your opinion. In the thread about why founders are mad that you kept derailing, you kept saying that PGI only missed an October date for CW release in 2013. I dug up at least 4 dates that were given by PGI, (aka facts) but you stated you had already seen them but needed something new, I am not sure how I could get you something new when those dates are in the past that we were talking about. You have choosen to Ignore several avenues of find facts out on your own, and when facts are presented to you, you tend to ignore them if they do not agree with what your Idea of facts and that they do not support your opinion.

[BLOOD WOLF]

TKSax, on 11 July 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

Blood you would not know a fact if it ran over you in a Direwolf. Remember facts are not just something that agree with your opinion. In the thread about why founders are mad that you kept derailing, you kept saying that PGI only missed an October date for CW release in 2013. I dug up at least 4 dates that were given by PGI, (aka facts) but you stated you had already seen them but needed something new, I am not sure how I could get you something new when those dates are in the past that we were talking about. You have choosen to Ignore several avenues of find facts out on your own, and when facts are presented to you, you tend to ignore them if they do not agree with what your Idea of facts and that they do not support your opinion.

I will leave that there. Also a good quote, this is just the summary but it is a good read.

"To summarize, statements may be facts, opinions, false factual claims, or untested claims Facts are statements supported by converging evidence, whether empirical, analytical, evaluative, or metaphysical. Opinions are self-reports.Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion because only that person has the inside information to verify a self-report. False claims and untested claims are neither fact nor opinion.Both false claims and untested claims, but not opinions, claim to provide information about the real world. Accordingly, to accept a false claim or untested claim risks error, and error can be dangerous On the other hand, to reject factual claims is also risky because we fail to benefit from valid information. ]Mistakenly relegating facts about evaluative or metaphysical matters to the realm of opinion is a common failure of critical thinking."

4 dates? really,"I dug up at least 4 dates that were given by PGI, (aka facts)" okay so where are these 4 dates , and why didn't you re-list them. I am sure you are going to give me an excuse. I did some digging too and did not find 4 dates. Is that not hilarious?

It is a fact that you told me you found facts but failed to quote anything or link anything, how odd

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 01:15 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Funny, I am looking at interviews and command chair and I am not finding multiple dates.

just went through the command chair, and rewatched the interviews with some speeding up and nope. I am not finding the multiple missed CW dates. If anybody has notes or info on this please share. I would like to eat my words but at this point I cant find anything.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 01:21 AM.

[Karamarka]

BLOOD WOLF, on 12 July 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

Funny, I am looking at interviews and command chair and I am not finding multiple dates.

just went through the command chair, and rewatched the interviews with some speeding up and nope. I am not finding the multiple missed CW dates. If anybody has notes or info on this please share. I would like to eat my words but at this point I cant find anything.

LMAO you are like three people in one head.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Karamarka, on 12 July 2014 - 01:46 AM, said:

LMAO you are like three people in one head.

fair enough, I will take that as a compliment. I worked hard and It took a lot of reading and understanding to get where I am. What about those links and multiple missed dates? its been a few pages and yet all i got was multiple threads in the same year about the same date. If you or any body can get me those links or proof that would be great.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 02:07 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

In my opinion the only thing that can change an opinion is a fact.

[BLOOD WOLF]

This thread purpose was to enlighten the mind. I just went back and re-read everything. I am in a sense and have been nicknamed by many a philosophical soul. If you knew me personally I tend to reason everything all the time. Even those who argue against, I learn something from. That is the point, looking at something from a whole new perspective, viewpoint and or changing the way you thought about something. I still hold to everything I said but I enjoyed reading what others wrote, and I truly mean that. If i disagree, or create an argument objectively it is not because I have something against you.

I will make threads like these from time to time. I do apologize in advance but like I said, philosophy is 75% of my life and it is something I have a passion for. I seek enlightenment and knowledge, and I never cast aside anyone viewpoint or ignore them. That would be unreasonable even if that person is unreasonable. Thanks to everyone who participated.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 03:21 AM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Too subjective, but in a sense you are correct.

That is your opinion, not a fact. Why, because someone who has a different view point will disagree with you because they interpret the facts differently.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Randalf Yorgen, on 12 July 2014 - 03:24 AM, said:

That is your opinion, not a fact. Why, because someone who has a different view point will disagree with you because they interpret the facts differently.

Does that necessarily mean it is true.

take yourself back to ancient Aztec times. It was their viewpoint that a sacrifice was needed to make the sun rise and set.to them that was a fact. What can you say about that?

I do not like using extremities but sometimes they are a must, and that is an opinion.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 03:42 AM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

BLOOD WOLF, on 12 July 2014 - 03:28 AM, said:

Does that necessarily mean it is true.

take yourself back to ancient Aztec times. It was their viewpoint that a sacrifice was needed to make the sun rise and set.to them that was a fact. What can you say about that?

I do not like using extremities but sometimes they are a must, and that is an opinion.

100% of the time after they made the sacrifice the Sun DID rise and set for a long time.
50% of the times after they made that sacrafice they had bountiful crops and won their wars and had many many more children
So in their opinion, based on what they understood and believed from PERCEIVED FACTS, the gods were happy. So in their opinion their viewpoint was VALID. It is only today, Centuries later, when mankinds understanding of the universe has grown in leaps and bounds that we have PROOF OF FACTS that could counter their viewpoints. Unlike these forums where we are all drawing from the same basic pool of data to forum our opinions from.

What were the beliefs of the Maya and the Inca in the same time period and who had the same data to draw from as the Aztec? They were similar, not exactly the same but close. What does it say when there are several groups who all come to a similar opinion based on the facts at hand? Don't cherry pick the info you are going to use to try and prove a point, you fail every time.

I did just find the other thread where you started all this opinion stuff, all I can say is wow, just wow, and not a good wow. I'll even go so far as to quote SIX from the BSG mini series when she was talking to Baltar in the brig, "we really need to map that brain of yours" It would serve as a source for unlimited speculation for centuries to come, but then again speculation is just another method for how people form their own opinions isn't it.

I bet you even take that last paragraph as a personal attack as well, even though it's not.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Randalf Yorgen, on 12 July 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

100% of the time after they made the sacrifice the Sun DID rise and set for a long time.
50% of the times after they made that sacrafice they had bountiful crops and won their wars and had many many more children
So in their opinion, based on what they understood and believed from PERCEIVED FACTS, the gods were happy. So in their opinion their viewpoint was VALID. It is only today, Centuries later, when mankinds understanding of the universe has grown in leaps and bounds that we have PROOF OF FACTS that could counter their viewpoints. Unlike these forums where we are all drawing from the same basic pool of data to forum our opinions from.

What were the beliefs of the Maya and the Inca in the same time period and who had the same data to draw from as the Aztec? They were similar, not exactly the same but close. What does it say when there are several groups who all come to a similar opinion based on the facts at hand? Don't cherry pick the info you are going to use to try and prove a point, you fail every time.

I did just find the other thread where you started all this opinion stuff, all I can say is wow, just wow, and not a good wow. I'll even go so far as to quote SIX from the BSG mini series when she was talking to Baltar in the brig, "we really need to map that brain of yours" It would serve as a source for unlimited speculation for centuries to come, but then again speculation is just another method for how people form their own opinions isn't it.

I bet you even take that last paragraph as a personal attack as well, even though it's not.

The sun does not move, in a sense. actually everything in the galaxy is rotating around the center.In our solar system the sun does not move. Their opinion that they needed a sacrifice to make the sun move was false. It does not matter that is was true in their eyes a perception. The reality is that nothing they could do would actually make the sun move. Their opinion was base more on story rather than what is true. how is their viewpoint valid if it is not true?

I did not cherry pick anything.

last point, I like how you used the word Validity which "is [color="#545454"]is the extent to which a concept, conclusion or measurement is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the real world." The aztec's reality was that a sacrifice was needed to make the sun rise. In reality the sun does not move from it's place and would continue to seem to rise and fall regardless if a sacrifice was made. Does not mater what they perceived. In the end whether they were in error in their logic. The maya calender is still a good device that is used today. Maybe they did have some views that did not align with what reality actually is but they did have an understanding of Logic and mathematics[/color]

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[CSHubert]

Warblood, on 11 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

This is the dumbest video ever... It was place here as a joke, right ?!? In our country, christmas is the 24. Our opinion of behaviour is not the same as in other cultures. This debate of fact vs opinion is fun due to the nature of the world: When enough people get the same opinion it becomes a fact. A grim example of that is that the people now being (for a fact) labelled as terrorists was formely labelled freedom fighters. -And the other way around.

[BLOOD WOLF]

I guess that is perception but is it truth? I guess I should have used the word Truth vs opinion, or Reality vs opinion. I did say that opinions can be true and they can be false.

Fact is something that occurred. A fact can be "It is his opinion that CW will be lackluster. It is a fact that he said it and it is true that he said it. hmmm, new angles.

However is it Valid? or what is that statements Validity? It is a Fact that I called it stupid but is it a valid statement?

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 05:10 AM.

[TKSax]

BLOOD WOLF, on 12 July 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

4 dates? really,"I dug up at least 4 dates that were given by PGI, (aka facts)" okay so where are these 4 dates , and why didn't you re-list them. I am sure you are going to give me an excuse. I did some digging too and did not find 4 dates. Is that not hilarious?

It is a fact that you told me you found facts but failed to quote anything or link anything, how odd

Dude what are you blind in that thread I posted dates with Link from the sources. Stop being obtuse.

[BLOOD WOLF]

TKSax, on 12 July 2014 - 05:09 AM, said:

Dude what are you blind in that thread I posted dates with Link from the sources. Stop being obtuse.

were you the one that posted the 2012 statements? otherwise the old and outdated statements and in 2012 there were multiple statements that had the same date?

Did you call me slow?

also you took the time to write all that but can not give me simple links.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 July 2014 - 05:14 AM.