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[STEF_]

Carrioncrows, on 30 July 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

I love, absolutely LOVE the vindicator

But it's not what we NEED

What we need is a Phoenix hawk! Yes I know it will never happen and that is just fine but they can still try out their MW licencing powers and design a custom mech that fits the bill

A very fast jump capable 45 ton battlemech with a decent array of energy and light ballistics

I want my shadowcat

[Ngamok]

Spheroid, on 30 July 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

Only an extreme Liao lover would get this. Terrible hardpoints, low engine cap = DOA. Anyone with C-bills is just going to get the Kit Fox anyway.

The BJ-2 is not too far off. What is the Vindicator's purpose? Nothing.

A lighter mech able to carry missiles? Only thing I can think of.

And the St. Ives Blue for Hero.

[ice trey]

0bsidion, on 31 July 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

Actually it would make perfect sense for them to give the VND-4L ECM, but it's unlikely we'll get that version, since I doubt they're going to put stealth armor in the game any time soon.

On the other hand, you wouldn't really need to, either way.

I mean, the canon versions of the Spider 5D, Commando 2D, Cicada 3M, and Atlas D-DC don't come with ECM, yet they've been given the option to equip it.

If any new 'mech deserved the option to equip ECM, the Liao workhorse should be it.

Suddenly, BAM. Nobody cares about how high-slung the arms are, as we've now got a new jump capable ECM 'mech.

Edited by ice trey, 31 July 2014 - 06:59 AM.

[ice trey]

Carrioncrows, on 30 July 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

What we need is a Phoenix hawk! Yes I know it will never happen and that is just fine but they can still try out their MW licencing powers and design a custom mech that fits the bill

A very fast jump capable 45 ton battlemech with a decent array of energy and light ballistics

How about a Chameleon?

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Chameleon

Now with 50% less chance of lawsuits.

Edited by ice trey, 31 July 2014 - 07:01 AM.

[Bhael Fire]

Russ already said the next IS mech was going to be the Vindicator a couple months ago.

[TygerLily]

I think the Vulcan would be cool.

40 tons:

VL-2T
RA ballistic (MG)
RT ballistic (AC/2)
LT energy (ML)
LA energy (Flamer)

VL-5T
RA ballistic (MG)
RT 3 energy (3ML)
LT energy (ML)
LA energy (Flamer)

VL-5M
Endo, DHS
RA ballistic (MG)
RT energy (LPL)
LT energy (MPL)
LA (Flamer)

VL-5S
XL Engine, Ferro
RA ballistic (MG)
RT ballistic (UAC5)
LT energy (ML)
LA energy (Flamer)

I think they could buff the MG arm on all variants and give it 4 ballistic to keep the MG flavor but make it worthwhile.
Give the 2T one RT ballistic and the 5S two ballistic slots. Maybe an energy quirk on the 5M and 5T.


Kind of looks goofy but I think it has potential to look good. I mean, the Spider remake is dope...

[GoManGo]

MWO is missing a lot of mechs from 2439-3050 here are some links.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/BattleMech

http://www.sarna.net...i/MechWarrior_I

http://www.sarna.net.../MechWarrior_II

http://www.sarna.net...MechWarrior_III

http://www.sarna.net.../MechWarrior_IV

My choice is the
MAULER




P.S PGI can we have ourt tough IS mechs now? They seem like paper dolls compared to the Clan Models?

Edited by GoManGo, 31 July 2014 - 07:25 AM.

[Corbon Zackery]

If it is the Vindicator then your looking at.

VND-1R St. Ives Blue (Hero Mech) The personal Vindicator of Major Michael Jones and his father before him, St. Ives Blue is easily recognizable for the large silver trumpet painted on its chest and its replacement of the PPC with a Large Laser and LRM-5 with an LRM-10 rack. After his unit seceded to the St. Ives Compact in the wake of the Fourth Succession War the newly formed St. Ives Military Command would ultimately use Jones' altered weapons array as the basis for the VND-1SIC variant

VND-1AA The 1AA version, also known as Avenging Angel, is designed to give the 'Mech better maneuverability making it more easily capable of competing with 'Mechs like the Phoenix Hawk. In order to do this, the armor protection was reduced from nine tons to four and a half tons. The engine was then upgraded to bring the maximum speed up to 86.4 km/h, and the Avenging Angel's jumping distance has been increased by 30 meters with an additional jump jet. The weapons payload remains the same as the 1R version. Unfortunately speed is no substitute for armor on the modern battlefield and the variant proved to be a failure; a few 1AA variants were eventually "gifted" to the Free Rasalhague Republic.^[

VND-1X Early versions of the Vindicator had a Ceres Arms Machine Gun in place of the Hessen small laser. However Ceres Metals was forced by the Confederation to put a non-proprietary weapon system on the 'Mech, and so chose the smallest one to replace.^[

VND-3L The 3L variant is a basic upgrade using recovered Star League technology. The PPC was upgraded to a Ceres Arms Warrior ER PPC and the medium and small lasers have been removed in favor of a single Ceres Arms Model W Medium Pulse Laser. To handle the extra heat from the new ER PPC double heat sinks were added while CASE was installed to protect the LRM's ammunition.^[

VND-1SIC A standardized modification of Michael Jones' St. Ives Blue adopted by the newly formed St. Ives Compact, the VND-1SIC downgrades the PPC to a Large Laser, while upgrading the LRM rack to a LRM-10.

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 31 July 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[GoManGo]

I found some more cool mech listings and some mechs I have never seen before.

http://www.sarna.net...Sphere_%27Mechs

Mercury



Flashman

Edited by GoManGo, 31 July 2014 - 07:49 AM.

[CocoaJin]

If it doesn't come infested with Fleas, then I don't care

[MeiSooHaityu]

GoManGo, on 31 July 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

Flashman

The Urbanmech's older brother says..."Yo was up"

[Bishop Steiner]

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Edited by Bishop Steiner, 31 July 2014 - 08:04 AM.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

The dual appearance of the Orion on the Wall Of Mechs in the recent pictures of PGI HQ suggests that there is a heavy pending. In heavies I'd love to see a Grasshopper, but really there's little left in the chronology with enough variants right now.

The 'mech I most want to see is a Thug, although if we're looking at assaults, I'd be glad to have a Cyclops instead, given the small number of Thug variants.

If we're actually looking at the Vindicator, it stands to be a bit different than the Blackjack (even with the BJ-2 available).

Advantage Blackjack:

• No Elbows means superior vertical on the arms and excellent torso twist
  
• Book-on-end body is flat and hard to hit side-on
  
• Balanced hardpoints for a 'mech where both sides are the same if you like
  
• Variants include Ballistic/Energy, Missile/Energy, Pure Energy for more loadout variety than Vindicator

Advantage Vindicator:

• No jump-jetless version
  
• All variants have missiles and energy weapons for options
  
• Elbows for horizontal arm movement
  
• Head weapon for zombie mode

If we're just guessing it's a Medium, the Dervish, Crab, Enforcer, and Clint are all potential options (most variants/interestingness would be the Clint, most desired but least variants is the Crab, most functional would likely be the Enforcer).

I'd glee a bit if Panthers happened, less so if they get the Amazing Super-increased Engine Cap tweak that all Inner Sphere lights have wound up with.

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 31 July 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Spheroid, on 30 July 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

Only an extreme Liao lover would get this. Terrible hardpoints, low engine cap = DOA. Anyone with C-bills is just going to get the Kit Fox anyway.

The BJ-2 is not too far off. What is the Vindicator's purpose? Nothing.

Or maybe people who actually like to play this, as... you know... a Battletech game?

People who are not so beholden to the Meta that we can actually have fun by taking existing mechs and making proxy mechs of things we really want? Or who strive to make those canon, or Canon inspired loadouts work? Who work with minimal modifications?

Seriously there's not ONE TRUE WAY. to play this game. If I had it my way, we'd have a hardcore que that only allowed heavy modification after HOURS of downtime on the mech, and even then there would be a chance for the components you modified to break.

So, stop ******** on desgins just because YOU wouldn't use them. Frankly I love the Vidni from Tabletop. And would certernly pilot one.

[Onmyoudo]

I seriously hope the first IS mech since March isn't a worthless Vindicator. I'd rather have something that would convince me to buy it, prefereably by not being worthless.

Edit: To the person above me, people like to pilot Locusts and Trebuchets too (I imagine), but it doesn't mean they're not awful mechs. Given that the IS hasn't had a single mech in 4 months I'd rather see something that was actually good rather than yet another eye-roll inducing set of patch notes.

Edited by Onmyoudo, 31 July 2014 - 08:27 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Flash Frame, on 31 July 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

Seriously there's not ONE TRUE WAY. to play this game.

Seriously. It'd most definitely get played in any of the Stock Mech events that go on around here. We fly Locusts and Dragons and Trebuchets and stuff. The Vindy would get a turn.

[PANZERKAT]

Just like the Panther, it doesn't really have a place unless certain weapons are locked out of certain chassis, due to the size and energy drain of the weapons.

That will never happen so...ya.

[wanderer]

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Hm. Pretty sure I can make an almost-Panther out of that...

RA PPC, torso goes from LRM 5 to SRM 4. Now you have yourself a fat Panther with extra energy hardpoints.

[CocoaJin]

Wouldn't the next mech mostly be a mech specifically designed to counter the Clans? It would just be good story telling wouldn't it?

[MeiSooHaityu]

CocoaJin, on 31 July 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Wouldn't the next mech mostly be a mech specifically designed to counter the Clans? It would just be good story telling wouldn't it?

Yup it would be.

Go Bushwhacker!