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[Angel of Annihilation]

First let me say I am not a fan of reboots especially since my SWG days, however it seemed to have worked for Final Fantasy hehe.

Anyway, anyone wish PGI would just stop and reboot the game?

Honestly about 2 weeks ago I saw my first video of Mechwarrior: Living Legends and immediately thought to myself that this was what I was hoping MWO would be. Sure it needed better graphics and some tweaks but for the most part it looked perfect.

So here we are with MWO which is well just lacking pretty much everywhere. Maps too small, battles don't feel like battles, no real sense of purpose behind the battles, no community warfare and no way to really add it in any substantial format without greatly expanding the map selections among other things.

I say start over. You already have most of the assets so you wouldn't need to fully start over, just start over on things like maps. Make them larger and more like MM:LL where you have objectives that have to be held or destroyed in order to gain victory points. Open up respawns, perhaps where you can select 4-5 mechs as "reinforcements" Add tons of maps to the game, design them so they randomly generate to make every battle unique. Add in actual faction vs faction warfare that has meaning. Just start over.

Hell I might even be convinced to buy some sort of re-boot package to hell finance it.

Anyway, yeah I know, wishful thinking but it sure would be nice.

[Vassago Rain]

FF14 did the redesign after they booted out the old dev team.

It's basically an all new game, and not a redesign - is what I'm saying.

[Felio]

Vassago Rain, on 04 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

FF14 did the redesign after they booted out the old dev team.

[Bulvar Jorgensson]

I wish they would Look at the Game From a perspective other than Catering for the Meta Players.

Playing this game should be fun....not an excuse for a small core of Players who use Art/Air strikes to ruin the game.

This is supposed to be a team game, yet the team game is not viable due to Cheap as chips RED SMOKE.

[Deathlike]

Vassago Rain, on 04 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

FF14 did the redesign after they booted out the old dev team.

It's basically an all new game, and not a redesign - is what I'm saying.

I would subscribe to your newsletters and this option.

On the other hand, there would actually have to be a real wait for various reasons... to salvage whatever is there... or worst case, start all over.

That doesn't even begin to cover the stuff people already paid for (hero mechs for instance).

[Solahma]

They would need a lot of money to do a complete redesign (a new game)... gooooood luck getting another successful Kickstarter!

[MeiSooHaityu]

Nah, I don't think the game needs an overhaul. I actually think the core mechanics are solid. The game (controls wise) is probably the best and most intuitive control scheme for a Mechwarrior title to date.

The graphics (and overall performance) is ehh, but I still think it is a descent looking game. If they can honestly deliver some mild destructable enviroments (crushed cars, falling trees, etc...), I think that will go a long way. Some optimization to the performance would be nice too.

The Weapon balance and convergence is more of a PGI preference and less of them unable to deliver or lack of capabilities. They just want it to work the way they want it, so there.

Lastly, content is the real big sticking point for people. People want things like CW and Maps. Starting a game over from scratch would get us even farther from content.

Overall, the game has an excellent framework IMO. The core mechanics and bare bones product is solid. Most of the problems lies with PGI's slow development times and balancing decisions. That goes beyond the core game itself.

Just my 2 cents.

[Khobai]

I dont think the game needs a complete redesign either.

However there are areas of the game that have been completely neglected, namely role warfare.

The module system and skill system are in desperate need of attention.

[MadPanda]

Vassago Rain, on 04 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

redesign after they booted out the old dev team

I can get behind this idea.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Khobai, on 04 August 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

I dont think the game needs a complete redesign either.

However there are areas of the game that have been completely neglected, namely role warfare.

The module system and skill system are in desperate need of attention.

Yes, I totally agree with you.

[Deathlike]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 August 2014 - 07:48 AM, said:

Nah, I don't think the game needs an overhaul. I actually think the core mechanics are solid. The game (controls wise) is probably the best and most intuitive control scheme for a Mechwarrior title to date.

The graphics (and overall performance) is ehh, but I still think it is a descent looking game. If they can honestly deliver some mild destructable enviroments (crushed cars, falling trees, etc...), I think that will go a long way. Some optimization to the performance would be nice too.

The Weapon balance and convergence is more of a PGI preference and less of them unable to deliver or lack of capabilities. They just want it to work the way they want it, so there.

Lastly, content is the real big sticking point for people. People want things like CW and Maps. Starting a game over from scratch would get us even farther from content.

Overall, the game has an excellent framework IMO. The core mechanics and bare bones product is solid. Most of the problems lies with PGI's slow development times and balancing decisions. That goes beyond the core game itself.

Just my 2 cents.

While I agree with you, PGI has unfortunately done little to no work improving upon it. Want multi-caps? We got Conquest. Want no-caps? We got Skirmish. Wow. Exciting. Ben Stein's Clear Eye commercials are much more enjoyable than this.

If more effort was put into designing new modes or variations, the game's state would not be so dire. It's hard to want to play similar modes that are more or less the same.

That doesn't even begin to express my disdain for the lack of tutorials.

[Livewyr]

A lot of the problem is this game, IMO, revolves around not mattering much.

Hit launch..

Die/Lose? great you get some Cbills, and start your next match.
Win? Great, you get a few more Cbills and start your next match.

There is no bonus to playing to survive, no penalty for dying like a moron...

No reason to play any role warfare.. (Scouts? wtf for? Just blob around and if the enemy finds you, shoot better than him.)

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As much as I would love for Comm warfare to be meaningful.. I suspect it is just going to be a special set of the same battles we are already fighting. Take the current 12v12 battles, and give them a planet to fight over.. it is the same thing.

(PGI could do a lot of good in making the battles mean something to the individual.. after the battle.)

I suspect this will not be the case.

SMH.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Deathlike, on 04 August 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

While I agree with you, PGI has unfortunately done little to no work improving upon it. Want multi-caps? We got Conquest. Want no-caps? We got Skirmish. Wow. Exciting. Ben Stein's Clear Eye commercials are much more enjoyable than this.

If more effort was put into designing new modes or variations, the game's state would not be so dire. It's hard to want to play similar modes that are more or less the same.

That doesn't even begin to express my disdain for the lack of tutorials.

Yea, I agree with you too.

Really it comes down to...Good core mechanic gameplay with no substantial content to back it up.

I still play the game because I find the core mechanic so solid, but man am I bored of what we have to play with. I play on mixed (Conquest/Assault/Skirmish) just for SOME variety. It rarely delivers so I play about 20 min and then I am done.

And no kidding about the tutorials. I signed up and played Hawken a bit, their tutorial was actually pretty descent.

PGI would make a tutorial, but it has new MC mech packages to make :/

[Khobai]

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Really it comes down to...Good core mechanic gameplay with no substantial content to back it up

yep its one dimensional gameplay with zero depth whatsoever. the most effective tactic is simply to group up and focus fire because there is no need to do anything else. even the primary objective is ignored most of the time in favor of just killing the enemy team... because you arnt even rewarded properly for capping.

role warfare needs to be addressed in two ways: modules/skills and gamemodes.

first, mechs need to be divided up into their classic battletech roles (striker, assault, fire support, command, recon, etc...). a mech's role should determine what modules, skills, and equipment it can use. no single mech should be able to do everything. creating dependency on other roles adds tactical depth to gameplay.

second, we need a gamemode that gives both assaults and lights something to do. right now we have gamemodes that favor one weight class or the other, but not a gamemode that requires both. If base assault and conquest were combined into a single gamemode it would give every weight class something to do. The primary objective would be to destroy the other teams mobile hq, the secondary objective would be to win by points, by capturing 3 points spread out across the map. And the tertiary objective would be to destroy all enemy mechs. a gamemode like that has strategic depth because theres multiple ways to win.

Edited by Khobai, 04 August 2014 - 08:24 AM.

[GroovYChickeN]

A full redesign isn't needed. They already have all the assets for the game. No need to redo them. They also have a lot of underlying code that we really don't directly interact with that doesn't need to be touched.

What does need to be done is a redesigning on core features of gameplay. IE. Convergence/weapon balance, role warfare/class balance, ect...

I guess the main problem is they over sold and took on too much at one time. Now they have a game that is a patchwork of incomplete of broken ideas.

[Ambuscade]

There is much wisdom in your words Khobai. I like the idea of combining all three game modes into one. Then just add in the rewards to match and we have ourselves a certified warzone fit for battletech.

Ambuscade

[Khobai]

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There is much wisdom in your words Khobai. I like the idea of combining all three game modes into one. Then just add in the rewards to match and we have ourselves a certified warzone fit for battletech.

its by no means the "ideal" gamemode. but given the current limitations of PGI, it seems the easiest way for them to implement a gamemode with more strategic depth.

[Mister Blastman]

The problem is MW:LL is vastly superior to MWO in almost every way with a couple of exceptions...

1. PGI Blocked MW:LL from releasing their mechlab. In a way, this isn't so bad, because, surprisingly, the stock builds in MW:LL are really, really nice.

2. The way the 'mechs interact with the terrain. There are some issues in MWO right now where we get stuck on little rocks. This is worse in MW:LL.

That's about it. MW:LL beyond that is superior in every way. The game is a million times more fun, has far more depth, the maps are superior, the ticket based system allows for LARGE amounts of VARIETY in every game due to how the spawns work, so there isn't this... "deathball here and hope to win."

I wish upon wish people would play MW:LL.

[Deathlike]

Mister Blastman, on 04 August 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

I wish upon wish people would play MW:LL.

Set a date, preferably on a PGI Patch Day Tuesday. Give links (to downloads and/or TS servers), prizes virtual booze, women pron, and see how that'll turn out.

It would be a great wakeup call for PGI, and some exposure to what we're all missing.

[Teeboy]

The game is fine as is. The problems you guys mention are due to player decisions and not the actual game itself. This will always happen in any mmo. You will never get thousands of people to play a certain game the way you think it should be played. Everyone is different and have their own opinions. Just because they don't share your ideas, doesn't make them idiots or noobs. Can you imagine how dull the world would be if everyone stuck to the original plan and never tried anything different?