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[RF Greywolf]

Small tidbit. Clan pilots are supposed to be better than IS pilots, they are breed for that purpose. I think the best way of getting some good data would be to invite random players into a private match sponsored by PGI and have one side play clan while the other plays IS, then after a couple matches the teams switch. Since it's sponsored by PGI, they can then play with the numbers (12v10) and different breakdowns for categories (3/3/3/3). I'm not saying the information they are getting will be bad, but there has to be some control involved.

I also know that there are some players that have already said that when these tests happen they will play IS and purposefully do terrible just so the clans get nerfed, whether this is happening or not I don't know. I do wish they would hold these when I'm not at work so I can run both sides of the coin and make a good evaluation of it myself.

2 cents

[UBCslayer]

P5YCO, on 06 August 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

I had one a couple of matches ago, but it was close

Screen shot or it didn`t happen. I`ve played 6 matches in a Dragon Slayer, all were either 12-0 wins for the clans or I was lucky to get a kill and it was 12-1 Clans. I`ve played 5 matches so far in my Timberwolf and all 5 have been blowouts for the clans as well with the exception of that one game where the IS got a 4 kills.

[Madcap72]

UBCslayer, on 06 August 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

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Perhaps the most absurd comment I`ve read in this thread today, and I`ve read some pretty bad ones.

Like I said, it was an observation, if you have a different one great for you, maybe explaining it would work a lot better than making a lot of noise.

[Thanatos31]

If at all, it has brought more team play to the clan players. first time in ages every match every pug player stuck together and thus lead to some good victories. When IS stuck together r did hit hard and stay in cover, Clans lost.

[Felio]

Were these recently introduced issues, or longstanding ones you've been tracking down?

[Escobar]

A 5 GB patch!!? I'm on the other side of the world on a metered connection. Thx a lot.


Note - problem resolved. Thanks to Krist Smith for looking in to the issue, which was patcher related.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 06 August 2014 - 03:31 PM.
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[Jody Von Jedi]

I'm still stuck at work, but I'd love to participate in this. Please leave the test up during prime EDT playing time. I want a chance to prove all the "OMG Clan is OP" whiners wrong. You notice I said a chance. But I'll never know if I don't get the chance.

I pilot IS exclusively. So I'm looking forward to having my chance to stomp Clan hiney.

Jody

[Racklesnack]

UBCslayer, on 06 August 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

If anyone actually witnesses a single IS team beating a full clan team, please take a screen shot and post in this thread.

I have a feeling this request is like asking someone to post a photo of a living dodo bird or some other extinct species.

[Isky]

Well, an IS-pilot playing against Clan-mechs where the top 2/3rd of the CT doesn't register is always fun (Timberwolves at least).
Maybe the gathered data would actually be better if the bugs are out of the way. Now you just can't tell if it's abusing an issue (basically, the Timberwolf should not be allowed in drops at the moment, since exploiting an issue is against the Code of Conduct), new players in IS-side or such.

There's a suggestion been made to have these tests done on invite in private matches. I think that's a way better option; PGI can control the parameters and will actually know what's in the field and what the data resembles. Tonight is just bad for IS-pilots' KDR's..

[Morang]

Mr Titan, on 06 August 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

Yep, was here. Clanners lazily stormed the plateau w/o proper ECM cover. I spotted for LRMs from the highest peak, occasionally unloading MLs at extreme range (MorangSupport, my another account). When they wavered, I sorily commited myself to charge with too much zeal, otherwise I could've survived too.

But I've been stomped by Clanners 0-12 this night as well.

Edited by Morang, 06 August 2014 - 01:14 PM.

[Skull Ringer]

Well, matching was already complete shite..
..so what's lower than "complete shite"?

[MoonUnitBeta]

InnerSphereNews, on 06 August 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

After thehot-fix we intend to enable Clan vs. IS matchmaking temporarily today for thepurposes of collecting balance and matchmaking data.

You mean..... You're going to test a feature... on the live server!? interestiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing *chin scratch*

Haha thanks for the hot fix.
Any word on game lag/getting frozen completely?

[POWR]

Ashvins, on 06 August 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

OK enough is enough, roll this clan vs IS **** YES i SAID **** back NOW. 7 drops so far, 2 I.S. vs I.S. split decision on those 2. the other 5 IS vs Clans 4 ended 0/12 1 ended 1/12. Enough !!!

CLANS are way OP to IS anyone could have told you that, you don't need to torture us this way to know that. You want to know the IS vs Clan ratio try 8 I.S. vs 5 Clan. A 12 I.S. vs 10 clan will result in most matches going to clan. It's not quite a 2 to 1 ratio but damm close.

So roll this garbage back or give me preimum time equal to however long you insist on keeping this garbage up. I do not own a single Clan mech so I'm loosing most matches without a hope of wining and burning preimum time.

You want to play these games do it on the test server thats what it is for. Stop scrwewing your PAYING customers to figure this out.

BUT THAT IS THE WAY THE GAME MUST BE! No Clan+IS vs Clan+IS!

Escobar, on 06 August 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

A 5 GB patch!!? I'm on the other side of the world on a metered connection. Thx a lot.

Wat, the patch was so small the downloader didn't even register a download.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 06 August 2014 - 03:33 PM.
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[Madw0lf]

Guys, youre Scienceing all wrong. Youre not supposed to tell the horde theyre being tested on, it damages your results. Note all the "Herp Derp P2W Clan vs IS Im not playing" topics in GD....

[Darvaza]

If you are going to do Clan VS IS, at least put the Clans into stars so it is 10 V 12...

[wobbles3285]

And of course this couldn't at all be about hoping people getting mopped up all day in inner sphere mechs finally getting frustrated and deciding to pop for "pay to win" clan mech packages, right?

"It's not about the money, but it's ALWAYS about the money"

[DelphiAuriga]

POWR, on 06 August 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

BUT THAT IS THE WAY THE GAME MUST BE! No Clan+IS vs Clan+IS!

Implement this. The perfect way to loose all the customer and players of the game. Many ppl like to play some IS mech for pure lore, and at the same time they want to get their 2x Exp every day, got it?

Phil Ambush, on 06 August 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

If at all, it has brought more team play to the clan players. first time in ages every match every pug player stuck together and thus lead to some good victories. When IS stuck together r did hit hard and stay in cover, Clans lost.

Screenshoot that "victory"....I dont believe u. Without a single real thing, thats theory. Try it. If u get an IS victory vs a Clan, Screenshoot it and i will be quiet forever in the forum.....But u have like 20 times more chances to see the hell frozen over.

wobbles3285, on 06 August 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

And of course this couldn't at all be about hoping people getting mopped up all day in inner sphere mechs finally getting frustrated and deciding to pop for "pay to win" clan mech packages, right?

"It's not about the money, but it's ALWAYS about the money"

I have to agree 100% with this coment this time. The first was a train, but this time is not data collect, at all. U want to make us buy those ¡¿¡¿¡¿ 55 $ ?!?!?! inmaterial objects. We should be allowed to choose as customers whr in ur service we want our money spent, and i choose in Mechbays and MC, not in mechs. THESE are the sort of decitions that are making the game fail. U should really show WAY more respect for the ppl that pay u. Also this is why so many ppl left in the last month, cause the mask is down, and, honestly, is fine to make money, but this is choking ppl to pay, and many, many, many ppl hate to be treated like that. BETTER community management, BETTER comunication, and RESPECT. This last hot fix needed all that and lacked all.

In short words: With this last hot fix and Clan vs IS without announcements, u shooted urselves and arrow in the knee.

Edited by DelphiAuriga, 06 August 2014 - 01:53 PM.

[ApolloKaras]

Fix the damn desync issue. What rolls through PGI's head when this is obviously the most pressing issue you all continue to drag your feet!

[BoydofZINJ]

DelphiAuriga, on 06 August 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Implement this. The perfect way to loose all the customer and players of the game. Many ppl like to play some IS mech for pure lore, and at the same time they want to get their 2x Exp every day, got it?



Screenshoot that "victory"....I dont believe u. Without a single real thing, thats theory. Try it. If u get an IS victory vs a Clan, Screenshoot it and i will be quiet forever in the forum.....But u have like 20 times more chances to see the hell frozen over.

You are not taking account for skill level of players. Anyone can purchase a CLAN 'mech. In the Battletech lore, genetically engineered warriors with tons of training piloted front line 'mechs. A few freebirths piloted front line omnimechs, but they were far and few - and normally great pilots - since they had to prove themselves more than the trueborn genetically engineered warriors. I have seen some awful pilots piloting clan 'mechs. I mean... i sometimes wonder if they even have a mouse or joystick. Then we are also talking lag issues as well - and a various amounts of technical issues. The other night 6 people on my team disconnected and 4 people on the other team disconnected in the middle of the fight all at the same time.

,,, what is my point?! A single screenshot of all Inner Sphere mechs vs all Clan mechs is not sufficient.

[R E T I]

now dont go nerfing a bunch of clan mechs newbies and people that spend their moneys on cigs and booze are playing IS right now and experienced people are playing Clan. If you start nerfing a bunch i want a refund. That would be like selling me a car then coming back over and tell me you need the engine back.