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[Russ Bullock]

Peter2k, on 17 September 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

As part of the council you don't have the power or right to ask or add for anything. As far as I can see you have the responsibility to compile a list of good ideas, all in you're unpaid free time, and give it over to PGI. And when and if PGI decides that those ideas do have merit, then players get to vote on them, probably everyone gets an invite.

yah pretty close - this really isn't something that people can run away with on a power trip.

[FactorlanP]

It strikes me that this thread appears to be off the rails.

If Russ thinks a Council might be helpful, so be it. Give it a go. I personally believe that it is unlikely to end well, but you can't know that for certain until you try.

I am somewhat uncomfortable with the process of selection as it stands so far, however.

I would rather see PGI invite people to be on the "Council"... Then let them choose X number of folks based upon what they (PGI) perceives to be the player groups that need to be represented, including the disgruntled folks.

Any selection that involves voting for representation will likely get twisted.

Edited by FactorlanP, 17 September 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[Peter2k]

wanderer, on 17 September 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Some of us have posting histories that stretch through the beta forum- and mine at least contains plenty of unflattering-to-PGI content that I doubt a ringer would produce.

That, too is one benefit of choosing people with an extensive public record. It is quite difficult to hide once you spend this much time posting.

Heh
I remember me being quite unhappy with PGI when they couldn't deliver a proper deadline, while promoting golden mechs.

But now?
Things seemed to have changed.
I remember a time where people would have killed to get heard by PGI.

Since I do have the luxury of a comfy income I would've thought again of buying a golden timber.
Bit late now.

But in the end I like where things are going.
Is it all sunshine?
Well of course things are a bit slow progressing, but I thought this council thing could prove to be a boon.

Just rename it to something lower sounding.
Maybe it'll turn away the sour grapes.

Sigh

It's still a good idea.
Just draw up a bit shorter list from the first page, maybe those with at least 2 digit long

If you need someone to drop in additionally, have those with lower counts up for vote against one another.
And just keep the thread locked for commenting.
Only voting

If you think it'd be appropriate, put in an option as to vote against the council all together.
And have PGI maybe promote the whole thing in the launcher.

[IraqiWalker]

FactorlanP, on 17 September 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

It strikes me that this thread appears to be off the rails.

If Russ thinks a Council might be helpful, so be it. Give it a go. I personally believe that it is unlikely to end well, but you can't know that for certain until you try.

I am somewhat uncomfortable with the process of selection as it stands so far, however.

I would rather see PGI invite people to be on the "Council"... Then let them choose X number of folks based upon what they (PGI) perceives to be the player groups that need to be represented, including the disgruntled folks.

Any selection that involves voting for representation will likely get twisted.

There are problems with both systems as you pointed out. The biggest reason why the "PGI invite" one isn't being used right now is the accusations of favoritism, and accusing PGI of only picking the players that agree with them / white knights / what have you.

[FactorlanP]

IraqiWalker, on 17 September 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

There are problems with both systems as you pointed out. The biggest reason why the "PGI invite" one isn't being used right now is the accusations of favoritism, and accusing PGI of only picking the players that agree with them / white knights / what have you.

Agreed, but that's why it is important that they invite some of the openly disgruntled folks. I'm sure we can all think of one or two of those folks who would be good on such a Council.

But more than anything, if this "Council" thing is going to have a chance, PGI is going to have to step up a little bit more and get it facilitated.

Russ has been hinting around at getting everyone nominated on TS for a chat.

I think, Russ, you just simply need to say it outright and set a date and time for it.

Poop or get off the pot, as they say.

But please, put an end to this circular nomination nonsense.

Edited by FactorlanP, 17 September 2014 - 12:26 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

FactorlanP, on 17 September 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

It strikes me that this thread appears to be off the rails.

If Russ thinks a Council might be helpful, so be it. Give it a go. I personally believe that it is unlikely to end well, but you can't know that for certain until you try.

I am somewhat uncomfortable with the process of selection as it stands so far, however.

I would rather see PGI invite people to be on the "Council"... Then let them choose X number of folks based upon what they (PGI) perceives to be the player groups that need to be represented, including the disgruntled folks.

Any selection that involves voting for representation will likely get twisted.

Sort of agreed

Just an example (maybe)

-4 (top community voted)

-4 pgi/council picked top players (one representing each class)

-4 pgi/council picked dedicated non-competitive players

-4 pgi/council picked battletech/roleplay/loremasters (probably not super happy with the current game)

-4 pgi/council picked something goes here etc etc etc (disgruntled players?)

I just think some may need to be picked based on things beside popularity.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 17 September 2014 - 12:27 PM.

[DocBach]

Russ Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

yah pretty close - this really isn't something that people can run away with on a power trip.

WHEN I'M PRESIDENT OF PGI, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA DO IS RELEASE THE ZEUS MECH

[Bishop Steiner]

DocBach, on 17 September 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

WHEN I'M PRESIDENT OF PGI, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA DO IS RELEASE THE URBANMECH

YOU HAVE MY VOTE!!!!!!

[KingCobra]

Thank you Russ for the clarification one more time (yah pretty close - this really isn't something that people can run away with on a power trip. )

But the fact remains many do not feel the need for a player counsel when in fact the issue ECM is not a true problem or game breaking enough to warrant its attention when in fact a more logical subject would be more pertinent like (hey guys what form of game modes would attract more players to MWO) or ( what are your thoughts on how to retain more players so we can grow the player base and provide more daily revenue to keep game content flowing?)

[Abivard]

If the name was changed from council which is highly misleading, to say Collating and Polling of Player Suggestions department, or CAPPS dept. this is a much more accurate description of the function of the INTERNs we would need to do the job Russ put forth.

so let us vote for CAPPS interns, does everyone running for PGI council member still want to run for PGI's CAPPS intern positions?

[bobF]

Russ Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

yah pretty close - this really isn't something that people can run away with on a power trip.

Then this effort is pointless. There are years worth of ideas, insight and critiques of the game. You guys don't need a council, you guys need a single Jr developer to write a tool that reports the data from your own forum archives. What are the hottest posts, most likes, keywords for specific topics, etc. The true priorities if your active players would be objectively discerned, with technology.

You guys have the means to collect real metrics, vs the opinions of a few self important end users. Forget about ecm. Forget about your reddit PR flub. You know what makes gamers the most forgiving, accepting group on earth? A good game. Go full tilt on CW. A strategic, planetary invasion meta game played out in real time via giant robot fps? Shut up and take my money.

Edited by bobF, 17 September 2014 - 12:45 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Abivard, on 17 September 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

If the name was changed from council which is highly misleading, to say Collating and Polling of Player Suggestions department, or CAPPS dept. this is a much more accurate description of the function of the INTERNs we would need to do the job Russ put forth.

so let us vote for CAPPS interns, does everyone running for PGI council member still want to run for PGI's CAPPS intern positions?

been trying to push that concept since inception. It's an advisory committee, community taskforce, interns, etc....

Not some bloody seat at the

[Verdic Mckenna]

DocBach, on 17 September 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

WHEN I'M PRESIDENT OF PGI, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA DO IS RELEASE THE ZEUS MECH

We've had our differences... but make this happen - and I shall wave my White Knight flag for thee!

In other news... a reasonable human being.

bobF, on 17 September 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

Then this effort is pointless. There are years worth of ideas, insight and critiques of the game. You guys don't need a council, you guys need a single Jr developer to write a tool that reports the data from your own forum archives. What are the hottest posts, most likes, keywords for specific topics, etc. The true priorities if your active players would be objectively discerned, with technology.

You guys have the means to collect real metrics, vs the opinions of a few self important end users. Forget about ecm. Forget about your reddit PR flub. You know what makes gamers the most forgiving, accepting group on earth? A good game. Go full tilt on CW. A strategic, planetary invasion meta game played out I real time via giant robot fps? Shut up and take my money.

Edited by Verdic Mckenna, 17 September 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[FactorlanP]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 September 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

been trying to push that concept since inception. It's an advisory committee, community taskforce, interns, etc....

Not some bloody seat at the

Ya, we all know that the Jedi Council is what drove Annakin into the open arms of Palpatine, and ultimately to embrace the Dark Side of the Force...

Who are we to think a bunch of gamers can do any better?

[Bishop Steiner]

FactorlanP, on 17 September 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Ya, we all know that the Jedi Council is what drove Annakin into the open arms of Palpatine, and ultimately to embrace the Dark Side of the Force...

Who are we to think a bunch of gamers can do any better?

IIf Sam Jackson couldn't save things, who are we mere mortals to try?

[Roland]

Is sandpit like Anakin Skywalker, where he was once the whitest of white knights, but then he turns to the darkside and runs into the council chambers and murders all the baby mechwarriors?

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 September 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

been trying to push that concept since inception. It's an advisory committee, community taskforce, interns, etc....

Community Suggestion Review and Bonding Commission

[KingCobra]

Roland said (Is sandpit like Anakin Skywalker, where he was once the whitest of white knights, but then he turns to the darkside and runs into the council chambers and murders all the baby MechWarrior's? )

I don't know if he is but I would like 1,000,000 new baby MechWarrior pilots in the game and a huge chat lobby so I could recruit new players to play on a league and train then once more. Dam im getting old MechWarrio2-3-4 on the MSN gamming Zone still seems like it was last Tuesday before the patch.

Edited by KingCobra, 17 September 2014 - 01:09 PM.

[FactorlanP]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 September 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

IIf Sam Jackson couldn't save things, who are we mere mortals to try?

Precisely.

[IraqiWalker]

bobF, on 17 September 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

Then this effort is pointless. There are years worth of ideas, insight and critiques of the game. You guys don't need a council, you guys need a single Jr developer to write a tool that reports the data from your own forum archives. What are the hottest posts, most likes, keywords for specific topics, etc. The true priorities if your active players would be objectively discerned, with technology.

You guys have the means to collect real metrics, vs the opinions of a few self important end users. Forget about ecm. Forget about your reddit PR flub. You know what makes gamers the most forgiving, accepting group on earth? A good game. Go full tilt on CW. A strategic, planetary invasion meta game played out in real time via giant robot fps? Shut up and take my money.

Or much faster with a group of volunteers willing to sift through the chaff, faster than a tool that would pick up a lot of posts that have no material in them, because one of the key words is in it.